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Post by Starshine on Jul 12, 2022 0:03:35 GMT -5
That Trips/Reigns match must be one of the most unique cases of just completely failing at achieving the stated goal. They finally crown Roman art Mania, and yet the response to the build and match was so poor they had to redo it two more times in the upcoming years. How the f*** does that happen?
Like, you can give them a pass for Mania 31, but the fact they spent the next 4-5 years trying again and again to giving him that same crowning moment, it boggles the mind.
Worst is probably the Taker match though. You'd think beating Taker would be a bigger deal, but it's such a forgettable match, and has little to no bearing to anything that follows, that I don't know how anyone can care about it.
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Post by 4real on Jul 12, 2022 3:41:55 GMT -5
Have to go with Reigns v HHH. That match put 10 years on me. I don’t think I’ve been more disinterested by a Mania main event.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 12, 2022 3:49:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Reigns/HHH is still going on as we speak and nobody's realized it yet.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 12, 2022 4:14:22 GMT -5
It feels like Reigns/Undertaker went on for 7 of WrestleMania's 9 hours that year. Bad match, never should have been booked, Undertaker's apologized for it being that damn bad.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 12, 2022 4:18:49 GMT -5
I feel like, for as bad as Reigns/Taker was, and it was really bad, stuff happened in it.
Besides Steph's speech and Steph taking the spear, nothing happened in Reigns/HHH. Just completely useless all around.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 12, 2022 4:34:56 GMT -5
Roman Reigns vs. Undertaker was such a bummer that Undertaker kept coming back afterwards like I AIN'T GOING OUT LIKE THAT BROTHER until like this year. I hope Undertaker buys AJ Styles a ham for Christmas every year for the rest of their lives for giving him a chance to go out with dignity after the absolute embarrassments Undertaker kept churning out, usually to have his opponent take all of the blame.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 12, 2022 4:40:13 GMT -5
Triple H vs Roman was an absolute bore but it could be Mania was going in for like 6 hours at that point. I've rewatched it on its own since and it's still a terrible match. It's basically every bloated Triple H super heel match you've ever seen of him completely dominating while running through all his spots except compounded by a crowd that doesn't give a shit, Roman being terrible at selling, and the commentators endlessly screaming about how it's the most epic thing ever. It wasn't helped by being this slow opening that had felt completely divorced from the build to the match. It really felt like Triple H had this boner for NWA title matches with Harley Race or the like, but didn't get that those matches made sense because the champion was an out-of-towner fighting whoever the local hero was. It's especially weird since his matches in 2000, or his match with Bryan at 30, show he absolutely does know how to play his role, he just... routinely shit the bed on actually doing that the last few years of his career for whatever reason. Maybe he just cut his schedule so much that he wanted long matches to let him indulge himself or something, but the results were usually dreadful, and I say that as someone who generally kind of likes Triple H matches. Even Batista's retirement match, which was still okay, would have been leagues better if they shaved even like 5 minutes off of it, better still with 10.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 12, 2022 5:10:01 GMT -5
People that didn't vote for Triple H vs Randy Orton forgot how bad that match was.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 12, 2022 6:42:05 GMT -5
I feel like, for as bad as Reigns/Taker was, and it was really bad, stuff happened in it. Besides Steph's speech and Steph taking the spear, nothing happened in Reigns/HHH. Just completely useless all around. Another thing that stood out to me on rewatching it was Reigns spearing Triple H through the barricade and the commentators just completely losing their shit. Like way moreso than usual, I think just because it was like the only thing that had actually freaking happened in the match to that point so they felt the need to sell it as much as humanly possible.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 12, 2022 6:47:28 GMT -5
I feel like, for as bad as Reigns/Taker was, and it was really bad, stuff happened in it. Besides Steph's speech and Steph taking the spear, nothing happened in Reigns/HHH. Just completely useless all around. Another thing that stood out to me on rewatching it was Reigns spearing Triple H through the barricade and the commentators just completely losing their shit. Like way moreso than usual, I think just because it was like the only thing that had actually freaking happened in the match to that point so they felt the need to sell it as much as humanly possible. I even forgot that happened until you brought it up just now. Helps you rewatched it just recently but still.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 12, 2022 9:40:36 GMT -5
I really want to say Brock / Roman at Mania 34 or Triple H / Roman at Mania 32, but at least they're, like, matches. Taker / Roman is just a dumpster fire on every possible level and an utterly meaningless match to boot. It's the equivalent of if Mania 24 had been main-evented by Batista vs. Umaga. ... Though in general I think Roman Reigns might have the single worst big match track record of any longterm main-eventer in history. It's not that he has no good matches but he has an exhaustive list of f***ing terrible ones. Also the women's match was nowhere near as bad as the rest of those. I don’t know, he’s had so many big singles matches that yes a few have been bad, but overall he has a pretty good track record. I won’t look at the whole career but here’s his first 2 years or so as a singles main eventer: Summerslam 2014 vs. Orton: 4 stars Fastlane 2015 vs. Bryan: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 31 vs. Lesnar / Seth: 4.5 stars Extreme Rules 2015 vs. Show: 4 stars Payback 2015 fatal 4-way: 3.75 stars Battleground 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 stars Hell in a Cell 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 Survivor Series 2015 vs. Ambrose: 3.5 TLC 2015 vs. Sheamus: 4 stars Fastlane 2016 vs. Lesnar/Ambrose: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 32 vs. HHH: 3.25 stars Payback 2016 vs. Styles: 3.75 stars Extreme Rules 2016 vs. Styles: 4.5 stars MITB 2016 vs. Rollins: 3.75 stars Battleground 2016 vs. Ambrose/Rollins: 4 stars Clash of Champions 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.5 Hell in a Cell 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.25 Royal Rumble 2017 vs. Owens: 4.5 stars Fastlane 2017 vs. Braun: 4 stars Wrestlemania 33 vs. Taker: 3 stars Payback 2017 vs. Braun: 3.25 stars Extreme Rules 2017 fatal 5-way: 4.5 stars Great Balls of Fire 2017 vs. Braun: 3.75 stars Summerslam 2017 fatal 4-way: 4.75 stars No Mercy 2017 vs. Cena: 4.25 stars Plus he had a bunch of 4 star plus matches on TV.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 12, 2022 9:45:18 GMT -5
I actually thought the Reigns-Taker match was pretty solid until the botched ending sequences (tombstone reversal being the worst). Triple H-Orton and Cena-Miz were just slogs the whole way through.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 12, 2022 9:51:53 GMT -5
I really want to say Brock / Roman at Mania 34 or Triple H / Roman at Mania 32, but at least they're, like, matches. Taker / Roman is just a dumpster fire on every possible level and an utterly meaningless match to boot. It's the equivalent of if Mania 24 had been main-evented by Batista vs. Umaga. ... Though in general I think Roman Reigns might have the single worst big match track record of any longterm main-eventer in history. It's not that he has no good matches but he has an exhaustive list of f***ing terrible ones. Also the women's match was nowhere near as bad as the rest of those. I don’t know, he’s had so many big singles matches that yes a few have been bad, but overall he has a pretty good track record. I won’t look at the whole career but here’s his first 2 years or so as a singles main eventer: Summerslam 2014 vs. Orton: 4 stars Fastlane 2015 vs. Bryan: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 31 vs. Lesnar / Seth: 4.5 stars Extreme Rules 2015 vs. Show: 4 stars Payback 2015 fatal 4-way: 3.75 stars Battleground 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 stars Hell in a Cell 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 Survivor Series 2015 vs. Ambrose: 3.5 TLC 2015 vs. Sheamus: 4 stars Fastlane 2016 vs. Lesnar/Ambrose: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 32 vs. HHH: 3.25 stars Payback 2016 vs. Styles: 3.75 stars Extreme Rules 2016 vs. Styles: 4.5 stars MITB 2016 vs. Rollins: 3.75 stars Battleground 2016 vs. Ambrose/Rollins: 4 stars Clash of Champions 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.5 Hell in a Cell 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.25 Royal Rumble 2017 vs. Owens: 4.5 stars Fastlane 2017 vs. Braun: 4 stars Wrestlemania 33 vs. Taker: 3 stars Payback 2017 vs. Braun: 3.25 stars Extreme Rules 2017 fatal 5-way: 4.5 stars Great Balls of Fire 2017 vs. Braun: 3.75 stars Summerslam 2017 fatal 4-way: 4.75 stars No Mercy 2017 vs. Cena: 4.25 stars Plus he had a bunch of 4 star plus matches on TV. Matter of opinion I guess though personally of that list off the top of my head I'd call the Taker, Cena, Triple H, Rusev, and Bryan matches all horrendous. Though will give credit on the SummerSlam 2017 match that that was pretty much all him and Braun making it work while Brock napped and Joe just kind of wandered off somewhere.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 12, 2022 9:59:01 GMT -5
I don’t know, he’s had so many big singles matches that yes a few have been bad, but overall he has a pretty good track record. I won’t look at the whole career but here’s his first 2 years or so as a singles main eventer: Summerslam 2014 vs. Orton: 4 stars Fastlane 2015 vs. Bryan: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 31 vs. Lesnar / Seth: 4.5 stars Extreme Rules 2015 vs. Show: 4 stars Payback 2015 fatal 4-way: 3.75 stars Battleground 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 stars Hell in a Cell 2015 vs. Wyatt: 3.75 Survivor Series 2015 vs. Ambrose: 3.5 TLC 2015 vs. Sheamus: 4 stars Fastlane 2016 vs. Lesnar/Ambrose: 4.5 stars Wrestlemania 32 vs. HHH: 3.25 stars Payback 2016 vs. Styles: 3.75 stars Extreme Rules 2016 vs. Styles: 4.5 stars MITB 2016 vs. Rollins: 3.75 stars Battleground 2016 vs. Ambrose/Rollins: 4 stars Clash of Champions 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.5 Hell in a Cell 2016 vs. Rusev: 3.25 Royal Rumble 2017 vs. Owens: 4.5 stars Fastlane 2017 vs. Braun: 4 stars Wrestlemania 33 vs. Taker: 3 stars Payback 2017 vs. Braun: 3.25 stars Extreme Rules 2017 fatal 5-way: 4.5 stars Great Balls of Fire 2017 vs. Braun: 3.75 stars Summerslam 2017 fatal 4-way: 4.75 stars No Mercy 2017 vs. Cena: 4.25 stars Plus he had a bunch of 4 star plus matches on TV. Matter of opinion I guess though personally of that list off the top of my head I'd call the Taker, Cena, Triple H, Rusev, and Bryan matches all horrendous. Though will give credit on the SummerSlam 2017 match that that was pretty much all him and Braun making it work while Brock napped and Joe just kind of wandered off somewhere. You thought the Bryan Fastlane match was horrendous?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 12, 2022 10:09:33 GMT -5
Matter of opinion I guess though personally of that list off the top of my head I'd call the Taker, Cena, Triple H, Rusev, and Bryan matches all horrendous. Though will give credit on the SummerSlam 2017 match that that was pretty much all him and Braun making it work while Brock napped and Joe just kind of wandered off somewhere. You thought the Bryan Fastlane match was horrendous? Yeah, never remotely understood the appeal of that match. In particular hate the bit where it stops dead for the absurdly contrived repeated suicide dives and the finish is something you can see coming from a mile off. Their later matches were much better, limp endings aside, but that one suuuucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 21:46:26 GMT -5
Also, the women's triple threat is better than everything on this list and does not belong in this discussion. Yeah, the women's triple threat was just a middle of the pack WM main event. Nowhere near the worst IMO. Roman vs. HHH was just horrible and made even worse by the rest of the show being dogshit as well.
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Post by rainandlava on Jul 20, 2022 16:29:53 GMT -5
Hoo boy, where to even BEGIN?
1-Roman vs HHH (WM 32) This was the match that was the drizzling feces. An obnoxious, self-indulgent and monotonous match that lasted for almost half an hour with nothing but boring wrestling and nothing exciting happening except for Stephanie getting speared. But what puts this match at #1 for me is the crowd. I'm sorry, but the crowd cheering for the Authority over Roman after spending years booing the Authority really irritated me. Look, I get HHH was doing well for helping out NXT, but this was just embarrassing for me to watch. And yes, I get Roman's push was bad, but I'd rather have rooted the badly pushed face over the Boring Invincible Villains. That was the exact moment I stopped feeling ANY sympathy for WWE fans plagued by bad booking/writing and I should have stopped watching, but the awfulness that is "Hate-Watching" kept me going until WM 34...
2-Brock vs Roman (WM 34) If WM 32 was the first blow of me not wanting to watch WWE anymore, this (along side the revelation of the Saudi deal) was what caused me to say, "F This Company!". What I thought was gonna be a decent match on an "eh" PPV, turned out to be a disaster that felt like a big "haha, we pranked you bro!" match with a result that felt like the companies having the heel win because "gotta get that heel heat!". I already was slipping away from hate-watching WWE, but this match caused me to put my foot down and stop caring about this company in a good way. And it did not help this lead to the whole feud between Roman & Brock that felt like a never-ending story. What a joke.
Dishonorable mentions: Roman vs Taker (WM 33) It felt like a massive tease that Taker was retiring and the match felt slow & plodding. What irked me the most was that this should have set up for Roman turning heel after supposedly retiring a legend like Taker. Instead, no heel turn at all. What a waste!
HHH vs Orton (WM 25) Hampered by the match stipulation (why not make it a No-DQ match or have the story be Hunter trying to survive Orton's merciless onslaught?), brought down by the crowd's exhaustion at HBK vs Taker...yeah, this one was not gonna do well at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 16:39:54 GMT -5
Everyone knew Taker was going to lose. That match was a downer for a lot of reasons, but Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 34 was such a wet fart. Makes you wonder why they keep going back to well.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 20, 2022 16:41:11 GMT -5
Undertaker vs Roman
Say what you will about any of the other matches but I was never legit worried one of the guys might get paralysed or die in the ring
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 20, 2022 16:57:14 GMT -5
I haven't seen any of them, but whatever was the most shoehorned as a way of WWE forcing their own booking preferences over the views of the fans, would be the worst.
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