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Post by The Ichi on Jul 15, 2022 15:12:40 GMT -5
And if anyone is thinking this automatically makes WWE better: PG era gave us things like the Yes movement, JeriKO, and AJ's feud with Cena. The Attitude era gave us Beaver Cleavage, Mark Henry getting a blowjob from a drag queen, and Lawler obnoxiously shouting puppies into the mic. It wasn't better, you just have nostalgia bias. Nah, it was 100% better, but not so much always because of the content but more for the huge feel every week had and the creative freedom given. And I could easily cherry pick the same way and say Attitude had the Austin/Rock feud, Mankind's first title win and Jericho's debut whilst PG had Farting Natalya, Fake Obama and Hornswoggle. That said, the rating wasn't the problem and bumping it up wont do shit about the creative restrictions that bog down today's product.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 15, 2022 15:58:49 GMT -5
Can't wait for "the casuals" to not spike any meaningful ratings bump with this so that that talking point can die forever.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 15, 2022 16:37:51 GMT -5
I miss blood in wrestling. I'm sorry, just saying. We will get alot of sexualized stuff but I guarantee blood will still be toned down or next to nonexistent. Blood has really never been a huge staple of the WWF/E even though we have had some decent memories. Damn sexualised stuff I hope not lol. Was cringe even in the attitude era when I was a teenager.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 15, 2022 17:07:20 GMT -5
If smackdown went to TV-14 we would go from: To:
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 15, 2022 17:12:37 GMT -5
There is something ironic about them not even following through on a rating change "ratings subject to change"
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 15, 2022 17:25:32 GMT -5
Wrestling was so much better in the Attitude Era. Come on now.
The product was electric and the crowds were insane. It was a combination of factors that led to that but still.
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Post by koreycaskets on Jul 15, 2022 18:02:25 GMT -5
If done right.. I like it 👍
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 15, 2022 20:32:53 GMT -5
If done right.. I like it 👍 Let's be honest - Vince is tripping over a length of sewing thread on the ground creatively. If he needed the "freedom" of a TV-14 rating to make entertaining wrestling, it speaks to what he thinks will entertain us. What worked in the war against WCW won't work now - politically, it's backward at a time when good business strategy is anything but. It's "reality TV" in a landscape where scripted series are roaring back into vogue; and it's narcissistic cringe at a time when its downfall is being feted and cheered on. That it's been leaked then walked back so quickly on timeframe suggests a conversation took place between Vince and Steph and/or Paul about the idea and it was briefly tested before it was kiboshed. Just because Vince is in charge of creative doesn't mean he can operate utterly without answering to the CEO.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 15, 2022 20:55:42 GMT -5
Wrestling was so much better in the Attitude Era. Come on now. The product was electric and the crowds were insane. It was a combination of factors that led to that but still. Yes.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 15, 2022 21:11:18 GMT -5
Can't wait for "the casuals" to not spike any meaningful ratings bump with this so that that talking point can die forever. Why are casuals put in quotes? Don’t think anyone can deny that they exist after they cheer loudly for Vince after his allegations. That proves their existence and influence on viewership imo. They watch but don’t care about the internet’s perception on things. If you mean old-school casuals, yeah it’s not going ammount to much. They aren’t going to like the new crop of talent who aren’t exactly Attitude era offspring.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 15, 2022 21:13:56 GMT -5
Can't wait for "the casuals" to not spike any meaningful ratings bump with this so that that talking point can die forever. Why are casuals put in quotes? Don’t think anyone can deny that they exist after they cheer loudly for Vince after his allegations. That proves their existence and influence on viewership imo. They watch but don’t care about the internet’s perception on things. If you mean old-school casuals, yeah it’s not going ammount to much. They aren’t going to like the new crop of talent who aren’t exactly Attitude era offspring. I'm talking about a vague group of theoretical people who some posters say would totally tune in in droves if Raw was more like what they wanted it to be, but who get turned off by a small guy or by submission wrestling or, often, the PG rating and thigns not being sexist. I have genuinely seen the argument on this board before that being more aggressively sexual in an Attitude Era style would bring back 'the casuals'. That's the group I'm being dismissive of the existence of, not people who watch the show but don't hang out on forums.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 15, 2022 21:16:43 GMT -5
Why are casuals put in quotes? Don’t think anyone can deny that they exist after they cheer loudly for Vince after his allegations. That proves their existence and influence on viewership imo. They watch but don’t care about the internet’s perception on things. If you mean old-school casuals, yeah it’s not going ammount to much. They aren’t going to like the new crop of talent who aren’t exactly Attitude era offspring. I'm talking about a vague group of theoretical people who some posters say would totally tune in in droves if Raw was more like what they wanted it to be, but who get turned off by a small guy or by submission wrestling or, often, the PG rating and thigns not being sexist. I have genuinely seen the argument on this board before that being more aggressively sexual in an Attitude Era style would bring back 'the casuals'. That's the group I'm being dismissive of the existence of, not people who watch the show but don't hang out on forums. No those days are gone, but I do think that the type of fan that you mentioned does exist In a much smaller population these days. BUT they are the difference between why main roster WWE still outdraws AEW in total viewership.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 15, 2022 22:45:05 GMT -5
Can't wait for "the casuals" to not spike any meaningful ratings bump with this so that that talking point can die forever. Why are casuals put in quotes? Don’t think anyone can deny that they exist after they cheer loudly for Vince after his allegations. I'm really cynical about this, but I think you're giving those people way too much credit that they were completely in the dark about Vince McMahon's woes.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 15, 2022 22:55:17 GMT -5
Wrestling was so much better in the Attitude Era. Come on now. The product was electric and the crowds were insane. It was a combination of factors that led to that but still. Not a dig at you here, just a general miff. This is a bit of revisionist nostalgia I'd like to somewhat dispel. A large portion of matches were crash and burn and featured tons of random run-ins, ref bumps and other shenanigans. For every Austin/Bret match you'd get you would then have the rest of card be stuff like Phennias Godwin vs Headbanger Mosh ft a run-in by 8Ball. That's not to say it wasn't fun but putting a TV-14 rating on isn't a magic wand, Having a bad product and adding maybe profanity and occasional blood still means you have a bad product.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 15, 2022 23:06:34 GMT -5
It's not like the PG Era started when the Attitude Era ended. There was plenty of TV-14 Raw (in fact it lasted for far longer than the Attitude Era). The John Cena Era (who was considered the return of the 80's style kid friendly superface) was TV 14. The Triple H reign of terror was TV 14. Katie Vick was TV 14.
And as said previously, I'm pretty sure Smackdown was always PG, even during the Attitude Era. It was a fun watch most weeks and that had little to do with the content rating.
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Post by gnr123 on Jul 15, 2022 23:26:15 GMT -5
It's not like the PG Era started when the Attitude Era ended. There was plenty of TV-14 Raw (in fact it lasted for far longer than the Attitude Era). The John Cena Era (who was considered the return of the 80's style kid friendly superface) was TV 14. The Triple H reign of terror was TV 14. Katie Vick was TV 14. And as said previously, I'm pretty sure Smackdown was always PG, even during the Attitude Era. It was a fun watch most weeks and that had little to do with the content rating. WCW was also PG during the Monday Night Wars.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 15, 2022 23:30:21 GMT -5
Why are casuals put in quotes? Don’t think anyone can deny that they exist after they cheer loudly for Vince after his allegations. I'm really cynical about this, but I think you're giving those people way too much credit that they were completely in the dark about Vince McMahon's woes. Yeah that’s a fair critique. No doubt, but at the same time you’d think there would be at the very least a mixed reaction.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 16, 2022 0:41:11 GMT -5
Wrestling was so much better in the Attitude Era. Come on now. The product was electric and the crowds were insane. It was a combination of factors that led to that but still. Not a dig at you here, just a general miff. This is a bit of revisionist nostalgia I'd like to somewhat dispel. A large portion of matches were crash and burn and featured tons of random run-ins, ref bumps and other shenanigans. For every Austin/Bret match you'd get you would then have the rest of card be stuff like Phennias Godwin vs Headbanger Mosh ft a run-in by 8Ball. That's not to say it wasn't fun but putting a TV-14 rating on isn't a magic wand, Having a bad product and adding maybe profanity and occasional blood still means you have a bad product. Oh sure. But I wasn’t really saying anything about TV-14 as a rating, just talking back from people saying the Attitude Era wasn’t that good of a time for wrestling. If that was a bad time, I don’t even have the words to describe nowadays.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 16, 2022 0:44:50 GMT -5
Can't wait for "the casuals" to not spike any meaningful ratings bump with this so that that talking point can die forever. They'll just claim it's because the main eventers aren't roided enough.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 16, 2022 0:52:00 GMT -5
Not a dig at you here, just a general miff. This is a bit of revisionist nostalgia I'd like to somewhat dispel. A large portion of matches were crash and burn and featured tons of random run-ins, ref bumps and other shenanigans. For every Austin/Bret match you'd get you would then have the rest of card be stuff like Phennias Godwin vs Headbanger Mosh ft a run-in by 8Ball. That's not to say it wasn't fun but putting a TV-14 rating on isn't a magic wand, Having a bad product and adding maybe profanity and occasional blood still means you have a bad product. Oh sure. But I wasn’t really saying anything about TV-14 as a rating, just talking back from people saying the Attitude Era wasn’t that good of a time for wrestling. If that was a bad time, I don’t even have the words to describe nowadays. For sure. I was more speaking on people elevating that era to more than it was.
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