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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 11, 2022 21:33:24 GMT -5
Angela Bassett acted her ass off in this movie. Such a beautiful woman you forget she’s 64. She seriously went, “I’m gonna get an Oscar for this cape shit, watch.”
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 11, 2022 21:54:16 GMT -5
I just saw it was due to LGBTQ+ characters. I didn't even know any of the characters were LGBTQ+. Unreal. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Towards the end of the film there is a single shot that implies two of the Dora Milaje are lovers. It isn’t even anything overt like a kiss or anything. Just one tenderly, very briefly, caressing another on the either head or shoulder, I forgot which. {Spoiler}Yeah, Ayo (who's pretty much the second in command and one who was close to Bucky) and Aneka (newest member of the Dora Milaje introduced and Shuri's friend) had a moment where Aneka kissed Ayo on the head, and Ayo called her "My love." Angela Bassett acted her ass off in this movie. Such a beautiful woman you forget she’s 64. They all did. Angela, Letitia, Lupita, Danai, and Winston all brought it more than usual in this movie for Chadwick.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 12, 2022 3:15:02 GMT -5
Just got out of the movie and thought it was good. ANGELA BASSETT, I don't even need to say anything else. You already know. Letitia Wright also did a good job and I hope she can keep her foot out of her mouth going forward because they're betting big on her. Also, when she put on that Talokan dress my heart skipped a beat, good lord she is stunning.
The movie felt a tad too long though. Not quite Eternal levels of "Why the f*** are you this long???" but I was definitely feeling like "OK, OK, let's get on with it now." All the shit with Martin Freeman especially, not sure why those scenes were in the movie other than to build up for Secret Invasion, I guess? But even as someone who watches all the MCU stuff and reads the comics, who f***ing cares.
One thing that I couldn’t stop thinking about, and this is perhaps the weirdest detail of the movie to me, is they have everyone in the Talokan kingdom going out of their way to speak Mayan, and Namor calls Spanish a "hateful language," and even says that the name Namor is derived from Spanish because it’s a name only his enemies call him and they included that scene where they reveal its origins...then when you finally get to Talokan they have uplifting Spanish music playing in the background to set the tone? Get real haha, that was so corny and inconsistent.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 12, 2022 10:54:48 GMT -5
Do they answer my number one question about Namors people?
Do they milk whales and make cheese?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2022 12:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by Stu on Nov 12, 2022 14:28:03 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Phase 4 as much as the previous ones and the runtime isn't helping. Is this worth seeing right away or can I wait until it comes on Disney Plus? What's the ETA on that anyway?
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Post by Muskrat on Nov 12, 2022 18:05:26 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Phase 4 as much as the previous ones and the runtime isn't helping. Is this worth seeing right away or can I wait until it comes on Disney Plus? What's the ETA on that anyway? Probably 45-50 days, that seems to be the standard for MCU movies lately
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Post by chrom on Nov 12, 2022 18:12:26 GMT -5
So when will someone make an edit of this to the live action Namor?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 12, 2022 18:58:53 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Phase 4 as much as the previous ones and the runtime isn't helping. Is this worth seeing right away or can I wait until it comes on Disney Plus? What's the ETA on that anyway? I'd say go see it right away. I thought it was fantastic. The runtime makes sense to me, this had to deal with Chadwick's death. You can't compress that and the Namor story in a 2 hour movie. And you don't feel the 2:40 runtime. A warning, you will cry. {Spoiler}I was able to hold it together till Shuri met her nephew in the mid credits scene.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 12, 2022 19:36:54 GMT -5
Watched it last night. I had a good time. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}When the scene of remembering Tchalla at the end played, the whole theater was completely silent.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 12, 2022 21:40:41 GMT -5
I understand why there is not the usual post credit stinger. Other than the in film things, it’s probably tacky to have a teaser for another MCU project after that ending.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 12, 2022 23:34:46 GMT -5
Thought it was the best Marvel project in a long time. And the main reason was the tone. Obviously, everything revolving around T’Challa had to be taken very seriously but they treated Namor as a credible and dangerous threat to Wakanda and the entire world throughout the movie. I don’t think there was a single joke cracked during a battle scene. Hopefully, they keep this balance moving forward.
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Post by dablueboy on Nov 13, 2022 9:10:31 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I have Andor on the brain lately, and I've been really impressed with how that show pushes the boundaries of what you can do in the Star Wars universe, but the more I think about the ending of this movie, the more I'm disappointed by the third act schmozz and spectacle that's typical of the MCU. *This* could have been the movie to decide not to have a big fight at the end. Let the characters grieve and mourn the passing of T'Challa. Let people in real life grieve and mourn the passing of Chadwick Boseman. Let the characters release the tension of something as world-changing as the Blip was. Let people in real life release the tension of something as world-changing as COVID-19 has been. Such a missed opportunity on so many levels, and for what? So people can get ready for Namor as a regular MCU fixture and Ironheart's Disney+ show? You can’t just have an entire action film be solely about mourning a loss, people wouldn’t sit through that. They hit the mourning scenes perfectly
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2022 14:16:37 GMT -5
I would just like to say f*** you Jason Whitlock for calling this movie racist and torture to sit through
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 13, 2022 15:16:18 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I have Andor on the brain lately, and I've been really impressed with how that show pushes the boundaries of what you can do in the Star Wars universe, but the more I think about the ending of this movie, the more I'm disappointed by the third act schmozz and spectacle that's typical of the MCU. *This* could have been the movie to decide not to have a big fight at the end. Let the characters grieve and mourn the passing of T'Challa. Let people in real life grieve and mourn the passing of Chadwick Boseman. Let the characters release the tension of something as world-changing as the Blip was. Let people in real life release the tension of something as world-changing as COVID-19 has been. Such a missed opportunity on so many levels, and for what? So people can get ready for Namor as a regular MCU fixture and Ironheart's Disney+ show? You can’t just have an entire action film be solely about mourning a loss, people wouldn’t sit through that. They hit the mourning scenes perfectly To respond to the bolded text: why not? In the real world in which Chadwick Boseman died, and in a fictional MCU world in which T'Challa died, why, then, did Wakanda Forever have to be an action movie? I simply think that it didn't have to be an action movie. I'd argue Wakanda Forever would be a better movie if it focused on one idea, and of the two ideas in this movie, either mourning the passing of Chadwick Boseman/T'Challa or doing the Wakanda vs. Atlantis story, the former would have would be truer to the spirit of memorializing someone, I think, than the latter. And why not give the audience some credit? I think people would be open to a Diseny Marvel movie that doesn't have action in it. Plenty of Marvel comics are about just being in the world in the moment. For the movies, why not let that moment be about dealing with some real shit like death, grief, mourning, and moving on, but as an entire story choice and not something touched upon briefly? And because it's a Marvel movie, Disney has a captive audience guaranteed. There's no way that this movie doesn't make all the money this month (until the next big movie when Disney releases another movie that has blue people in bodies of water). For instance, I'd argue Spider-Man: No Way Home was successful, in part, because people wanted something normal to go back to, in a world flipped upside down because of COVID-19. A big helping heap of nostalgia and the general popularity of Spider-Man also helped, obviously. What blew my mind, in a good way, about the WF teaser trailer was watching people crying when reacting to it. And this wasn't fanboy crying or nostalgic crying, really. This was cathartic crying. This was mourning and emotional release happening in real time. I like the first BP movie well enough, though it has some story issues and some underlying politics I have problems with, but I was still affected by that first trailer. A piece of advertising, maybe the MCU's best trailer, started with "no, woman, no cry" and reassures the viewer "we gon' be alright," and people on the internet broke down weeping on their webcams. After 2020, 2021, and 2022, it seems like people have been primed for an emotional outlet on a massive scale. I get it, though; people go to movies like the MCU to escape the reality of the real world. But there's as much value as going to a movie and just vibing with some complicated feelings for a couple of hours as well. My favourite scene in WF is just before the third act. People are angry, confused, hurt, in denial, and the whole feeling of the scene focuses the main idea of the movie, which I found was otherwise muddled throughout, but especially in most of the third act fight. I'd have wanted much of the movie to stay in that kind of emotional space, but some narrative choices, especially the one that transitions from the prologue to the narrative proper, didn't allow for that. (And even just staying in the world of the MCU for a minute: in the span of a decade, King T'Chaka died, aliens invaded Wakanda, the Blip happened, then everyone returned, then King T'Challa died. Why not see how Wakandans deal with all that emotional heaviness and all their political ramifications?) Can a superhero movie allow people to feel real-life catharsis while balancing the expectations of an action movie that is also setting up 2 movies (maybe) and 1 TV show (definitely)? Perhaps, but this wasn't that movie. If a superhero movie can't do it, then why not try, at least, to do something different? To catch a feeling and stay with that vibe by deconstructing or getting away from the limitations of the genre? I don't think the movie was "bad" because it didn't give me what I wanted, nor was I "hyped" going into this movie. If anything, going into the screening, I thought it was going to be on the lower end of Phase 4! But like I said earlier, a missed opportunity.
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Post by Legion on Nov 13, 2022 15:48:23 GMT -5
The tone of the film is good, as is the general story. Angela Bassett truly carries a lot of the heavy weight in the film, while Freeman remains terrible.
However, I genuinely disliked all the changes made to Namor. I understand why they did it, but just feel there was a better film to be made using the same general beats but having it be White Tiger and a hidden South American civilisation over all that change.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 13, 2022 17:29:35 GMT -5
The tone of the film is good, as is the general story. Angela Bassett truly carries a lot of the heavy weight in the film, while Freeman remains terrible. However, I genuinely disliked all the changes made to Namor. I understand why they did it, but just feel there was a better film to be made using the same general beats but having it be White Tiger and a hidden South American civilisation over all that change. I think that's a fair point, but where would we be if we didn't have that goofy retcon for where the name Namor comes from?
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Post by chrom on Nov 13, 2022 17:48:07 GMT -5
Something troubling to consider now.
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} The Avengers have disbanded since Endgame, Scarlet Witch's rampage lead to the destruction of much of Kamar-Taj and now Wakanda has not only lost its King but also its Queen and now in a weakened state
There are not many now who can defend when Kang The Conqueror makes his move.
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Post by Killah Ray on Nov 13, 2022 18:35:41 GMT -5
I would just like to say f*** you Jason Whitlock for calling this movie racist and torture to sit through f*** his bitch ass....
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 13, 2022 19:11:00 GMT -5
Good to see the "Get woke, go broke" crowd taking yet another L.
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