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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 31, 2022 11:52:32 GMT -5
So AEW after a period of near universal acclaim on this board is no longer the hot new thing and instead is getting much more mixed reviews than it was.
Many people are expressing dissatisfaction with the overwhelming presence of the UE until Cole and such got injured. This was for various reasons - some people don't like Cole at all, some people just want him babyface, some like me are sick of the group generally (personally I would pay Bobby f***face to stay at home and send Kibble O'Ribble to the TNT division) but there are a lot more people who don't like where it has been going
Hangman has been added to the mix to possibly add a wrine, but the angle seems to be pretty clearly leading to some kind of super Elite showdown in the Trios title finale, which could be seen as being too predictable. Often AEW being predictable has been great, as can be the case with wrestling, but for me this one is already boring me before it has really got going
So let's fantasy book it! And let's try to keep it semi realistic within what AEW could or would do. Khan has shown himself willing to shock sometimes, so how could he shock us here?
For me personally, the main thing I am tired of is UE. I was tired of them before I stopped watching WWE in 2019, and I still am.
So for me one way to make this interesting would be to spice up the teams a little. Maybe the Elite superclash doesn't happen in the final- it happens in a semi or even earlier. Maybe the Bucks have teamed with Hangman after all, and they beat Cole, Ribble and Fish. Kenny's return instead of being announced happens here - he shows up and joins Ribble and Fish in beating Cole down, kicking him out and letting him turn face for the first time in years. You can write him off to come back and beat Kenny in a singles feud later. In the meantime, Hung Bucks vs the New Elite is a feud you can start. The Hung Bucks can lose the tournament some other way, and then whoever wins the trios titles gets a rub that none of the Elite needs, kicking off their reign independent of the title free feud between the remixed Elite.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 31, 2022 12:18:31 GMT -5
Actually progress the story is the main thing. Especially with Hangman and the Bucks.
I'd also limit singles matches for Redragon, certainly no more high profile wins until after the stable starts to split.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 31, 2022 12:34:25 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldn't have sewed the seeds for the split until Kenny was closer to definitely returning. There's been a lot of starting and stopping leading to inconsistency. Maybe Omega had a setback in PT and you can't help all of the Undisputed half of the stable getting injured. But otherwise? It didn't help things.
I think to facilitate the split, you have Cole, Fish, and/or O'Reilly screw the Bucks out of the trios belts. You make the feud non-title because you don't need the titles to sell that match.
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Post by Moppy on Jul 31, 2022 12:37:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure what I'd do (honestly I don't think there's an easy solution to develop this into a super-hot angle), but a couple of things I'd like to see -
- For the love of god please keep Hangman away from the Bucks for the time being. He needs heating back up a little bit, and I really don't think another storyline about who his BFFs are is the best way to do that. Plus, it feels like a continuation of his programme with Punk could be down the line anyway.
- A trios tournament final of Kenny and The Bucks vs BCC feels like a major money match, so that should be first on the roadmap for Kenny's return. Plus you can branch off from there into Omega-Danielson II. And AEW normally do seed-sewing quite well through tournaments, so perhaps you can have the Elite knock out UE en route to the final.
- After that, Omega desperately needs to go into a programme with a hot heel (dare I say MJF?) to begin a face turn proper.
- I'd like Cole and Baker paired up more regularly on TV, even if just visually to give both performers a different feel, and perhaps Cole can lead a revamped version of UE that includes DMD's squad. Quietly break away O'Reilly; NXT nearly had something with him as a singles before he became Cool Kyle. Then you can work towards the inevitable Bucks-Cole split, even though I personally don't have any interest in seeing that.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 31, 2022 12:38:15 GMT -5
They need to do something big with Cole, something that feels important. Right now he's just sitting on his thumbs waiting for Omega to return. This holding pattern has just turned Cole into an afterthought and killed any heat and anticipation people had for a big Undisputed Era-Elite war that they were supposedly building up to.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 31, 2022 12:46:44 GMT -5
This is assuming Kenny isn't ready to come back, but. Have the Bucks keep getting fond over Hangman and seeming like they're moving in that direction, but then also arguing with Fish and O'Reilly over who can team with Cole because he remains the one they know they're aligned with. Have Cole keep getting dickish over them making nice with Hangman and trying to talk to them, coming off as insecure over the idea of mending bridges with him. Then some kind of five-man match I guess that devolves into more arguing, Cole steps in to defuse the fight between his two teams of friends, but then he superkicks Matt Jackson and it's a three-on-two beatdown until Hangman comes out to a big pop and runs them off. No more Undisputed Elite. It's dead, it's over, there's no point to it. Kenny can come back down the line and take on Cole in a singles match or something.
Shit, for that matter, break up Not Undisputed Era after they lose too, let reDRagon go be a tag team in Ring of Honor, and have Cole be a singles guy or at least give him some new dudes to run with. It's stale. It's exhausting. I skipped a whole lot of Black and Gold time and still feel sick of seeing Cole with these dudes.
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Post by Fade on Jul 31, 2022 12:47:48 GMT -5
Eh. Have Cole paranoid AF bout Bucks/Hangman. He convinces then to go after ‘em. Hangman’s like “dubya tee eff mate?” Bucks refuse. Cole and UE destroy them. Either have Kenny show up then or after. Edit: This is assuming Kenny isn't ready to come back, but. Have the Bucks keep getting fond over Hangman and seeming like they're moving in that direction, but then also arguing with Fish and O'Reilly over who can team with Cole because he remains the one they know they're aligned with. Have Cole keep getting dickish over them making nice with Hangman and trying to talk to them, coming off as insecure over the idea of mending bridges with him. Then some kind of five-man match I guess that devolves into more arguing, Cole steps in to defuse the fight between his two teams of friends, but then he superkicks Matt Jackson and it's a three-on-two beatdown until Hangman comes out to a big pop and runs them off. No more Undisputed Elite. It's dead, it's over, there's no point to it. Kenny can come back down the line and take on Cole in a singles match or something. Shit, for that matter, break up Not Undisputed Era after they lose too, let reDRagon go be a tag team in Ring of Honor, and have Cole be a singles guy or at least give him some new dudes to run with. It's stale. It's exhausting. I skipped a whole lot of Black and Gold time and still feel sick of seeing Cole with these dudes.I was gonna say it as a joke but yea could just send UE to ROH - __ -
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 31, 2022 12:58:57 GMT -5
Eh. Have Cole paranoid AF bout Bucks/Hangman. He convinces then to go after ‘em. Hangman’s like “dubya tee eff mate?” Bucks refuse. Cole and UE destroy them. Either have Kenny show up then or after. Edit: This is assuming Kenny isn't ready to come back, but. Have the Bucks keep getting fond over Hangman and seeming like they're moving in that direction, but then also arguing with Fish and O'Reilly over who can team with Cole because he remains the one they know they're aligned with. Have Cole keep getting dickish over them making nice with Hangman and trying to talk to them, coming off as insecure over the idea of mending bridges with him. Then some kind of five-man match I guess that devolves into more arguing, Cole steps in to defuse the fight between his two teams of friends, but then he superkicks Matt Jackson and it's a three-on-two beatdown until Hangman comes out to a big pop and runs them off. No more Undisputed Elite. It's dead, it's over, there's no point to it. Kenny can come back down the line and take on Cole in a singles match or something. Shit, for that matter, break up Not Undisputed Era after they lose too, let reDRagon go be a tag team in Ring of Honor, and have Cole be a singles guy or at least give him some new dudes to run with. It's stale. It's exhausting. I skipped a whole lot of Black and Gold time and still feel sick of seeing Cole with these dudes.I was gonna say it as a joke but yea could just send UE to ROH - __ - Literally zero joke in my mind. You get a stalwart ROH tag team to go do ROH tag team shit. Tony loves Kyle O'Reilly way too much for what he brings to Dynamite, but letting them have a two year long run with the ROH tag titles or some shit off in the space where it would mean something and be welcome? That's fine. I don't even dislike Kyle, but it's a bit insane to me how much of a push he got in service of so little. But he'd be perfect for ROH again. Bobby FIsh can go with him so Bobby Fish gets off of my TV.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 31, 2022 13:13:09 GMT -5
Eh. Have Cole paranoid AF bout Bucks/Hangman. He convinces then to go after ‘em. Hangman’s like “dubya tee eff mate?” Bucks refuse. Cole and UE destroy them. Either have Kenny show up then or after. Edit: I was gonna say it as a joke but yea could just send UE to ROH - __ - Literally zero joke in my mind. You get a stalwart ROH tag team to go do ROH tag team shit. Tony loves Kyle O'Reilly way too much for what he brings to Dynamite, but letting them have a two year long run with the ROH tag titles or some shit off in the space where it would mean something and be welcome? That's fine. I don't even dislike Kyle, but it's a bit insane to me how much of a push he got in service of so little. But he'd be perfect for ROH again. Bobby FIsh can go with him so Bobby Fish gets off of my TV. Imagine KOR getting a proper run with the world title instead of that "pleeeeeeeease stay. Preeettttyy pls" run.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 31, 2022 14:29:23 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with it, it's just been in an obvious holding pattern because of Kenny's return being delayed past what was expected. As soon as AEW realised that a Feb/March return was impossible the whole thing should have been scrapped and only brought back when they knew Kenny was ready to go. Constantly teasing something and never pulling the trigger on it just made it dull. Either keep them as a functional team or just quietly have them go their separate ways until the angle is ready.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 31, 2022 14:57:15 GMT -5
personally I would pay Bobby f***face to stay at home Oh well hey, there's step one for me, too. Much like a hot summer day, not enough can be said about how Fish's presence taints the whole thing. I am very convinced the "shocker" will be both teams putzing out in the tournament (ideally not because of mutual interference) and some other team winning. I think House of Black, but really there's a half dozen teams that could do it. AEW is savvy with the Elite brand; they know the fans are very leery of them getting booked too strong, and I suspect they're deliberately fueling the backlash juuusssst a little to make it a face moment for the whole company when they book someone else as inaugural champs. As for what they SHOULD do, the answer is: not this storyline right now. We need a decent amount of time with Cole just doing his own thing in the company so he feels like a real part of things rather than just Super UE Man. The Jurassic Express feud was fine, but the Best Friends feud sucked wind out of some sails because it went too long and was booked badly... but also it felt too transparent that the BFs were just being used to get the new guys over because they weren't in the same league (the BFs actually winning the feud did nothing to change this, as Cole advanced to title contention and Cassidy continues to lose competitively to everyone). Have him spend some time doing something new and let his character grow some (Christ please whatever it takes let his character grow some). A tag team with Neese or someone. Joining the House of Black for a while. Declares himself the mentor of some random face lower-carder like Sonny Kiss, who's totally bemused by the whole thing. SOMETHING. Really what it comes down to is none of these people are individually interesting because The Elite just feels like a bunch of Young Bucks and that's way too many Young Bucks. Like, I didn't give a shit about Page in AEW until he left the Elite, because he was just That Guy In The Elite. On his own, he suddenly felt like he had his own character and it became really easy to get behind him... and the Dark Order storyline, with him rejecting the Cool Loner persona and embracing his status as a proud misfit, really nailed it home. Now he's getting sucked back in and I don't care as much.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2022 17:09:40 GMT -5
The Bucks ship away ReDragon in a crate or box like structure ,labeled Nxt
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Post by Big BosskMan on Jul 31, 2022 17:58:46 GMT -5
Eh, I'm not a fan of these 6 anyway.
For the UE, there needs to be sone image rehabilitation. Whether that is shipping them off to ROH or extended excursion to NJPW, I don't know.
Factions used to have an element of danger to them and UE lacks that. Same for the Elite.
And adding Roddy isn't the answer either. Once his stint as NXT's Coach Buzzcut is done and he's released, he's got so much stink on him, he'll almost have to disappear for a while so people forget.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 31, 2022 18:16:36 GMT -5
Really I'm not sure there is a way to fix it, because the whole thing's been stalled interminably by Kenny not being there, I just flat out don't like Cole and Fish, and even if I did the Undisputed Era gimmick is unbelievably tired at this point.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 31, 2022 18:18:39 GMT -5
Let Youie do something different than their NXT act that got stale by the end of there time there. And please never never never do a Kyle vs. Cole feud again.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jul 31, 2022 23:02:18 GMT -5
Love KOR and am a fan of Cole, but I echo a lot of the same sentiments here.
TK has a knack for dulling the shine on people, and he's done that with Cole. Dude came in SUPER HOT. The pop during his debut was insane.
But as others have said, send ReDRagon to ROH. It just makes perfect sense. ROH can use another veteran "homegrown" tag team, and Cole needs to break away from them.
Let Cole build himself up solo, let him win clean, let him get over that way, and just be a face for awhile.
You want to do a reunion, do it as a one-time only thing in ROH, ReDRagon are getting beat down 3 on 2, and boom Cole makes the save. One-off UE reunion match on the next ROH PPV, and you're good.
But don't do that for like 2-3 years at least.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 31, 2022 23:40:16 GMT -5
So AEW after a period of near universal acclaim on this board Im sorry what? Ive been on this board way before AEW started, and this board has been EXTREMELY negative towards AEW. Reddit is more positive. There are constant flame wars from people who go "I WANT TO BE MORE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW! THEY WONT LET ME BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW!" These weird critiques, from "it's just a t-shirt company", to "look they couldnt even get Pac to show up" to 50 pages about how much Cody sucks, are just part of the whole thing, and this forum has never had anything even close to universal acclaim. How many people dont even come into the room because of how negative towards AEW this forum is. Dang, even the Vince McMahon stepping down thread in the WWE section became a "I hate Tony Khan" thread until the the mods stopped it. "Many people are expressing dissatisfaction" might as well be the name of the forum. A match appreciation gets two pages tops, something negative, like a wrestler quitting, gets 15 pages and a complete analysis of everything wrong with the company. Undisputed Elite havent been on TV in a month and theres a thread about how much it sucks and how it can be fixed! A whole month away and people are still focused on what they hate about it! Near universal acclaim my ass.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 1, 2022 1:27:19 GMT -5
Actually progress the story is the main thing. Especially with Hangman and the Bucks. This... they've been spinning their wheels forever... due to AEW's we MUST FOLLOW THE PLAN! The plan being Bucks/Omega vs. Undisputed Era... but Omega has been out for a while... so the UE have just kinda been spinning their wheels.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 1, 2022 1:32:17 GMT -5
So AEW after a period of near universal acclaim on this board Im sorry what? Ive been on this board way before AEW started, and this board has been EXTREMELY negative towards AEW. Reddit is more positive. There are constant flame wars from people who go "I WANT TO BE MORE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW! THEY WONT LET ME BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW!" These weird critiques, from "it's just a t-shirt company", to "look they couldnt even get Pac to show up" to 50 pages about how much Cody sucks, are just part of the whole thing, and this forum has never had anything even close to universal acclaim. How many people dont even come into the room because of how negative towards AEW this forum is. Dang, even the Vince McMahon stepping down thread in the WWE section became a "I hate Tony Khan" thread until the the mods stopped it. "Many people are expressing dissatisfaction" might as well be the name of the forum. A match appreciation gets two pages tops, something negative, like a wrestler quitting, gets 15 pages and a complete analysis of everything wrong with the company. Undisputed Elite havent been on TV in a month and theres a thread about how much it sucks and how it can be fixed! A whole month away and people are still focused on what they hate about it! Near universal acclaim my ass. I'm really curious what forum you are on cause The AEW Forum has always WAAAAY more positive than the WWE section. Even when people talk about disliking something save for a few exceptions even the "negative" comments here come off as more this didn't work for me... and not this is the most terrible thing I've ever seen.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 1, 2022 2:05:50 GMT -5
So AEW after a period of near universal acclaim on this board Im sorry what? Ive been on this board way before AEW started, and this board has been EXTREMELY negative towards AEW. Reddit is more positive. There are constant flame wars from people who go "I WANT TO BE MORE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW! THEY WONT LET ME BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS AEW!" These weird critiques, from "it's just a t-shirt company", to "look they couldnt even get Pac to show up" to 50 pages about how much Cody sucks, are just part of the whole thing, and this forum has never had anything even close to universal acclaim. How many people dont even come into the room because of how negative towards AEW this forum is. Dang, even the Vince McMahon stepping down thread in the WWE section became a "I hate Tony Khan" thread until the the mods stopped it. "Many people are expressing dissatisfaction" might as well be the name of the forum. A match appreciation gets two pages tops, something negative, like a wrestler quitting, gets 15 pages and a complete analysis of everything wrong with the company. Undisputed Elite havent been on TV in a month and theres a thread about how much it sucks and how it can be fixed! A whole month away and people are still focused on what they hate about it! Near universal acclaim my ass. You okay, man?
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