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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 19, 2022 18:13:08 GMT -5
The Cloaker in Payday 2. You can have the strongest armour in the game and have a tank build with tons of extra health and armour and be able to withstand dozens of bullets. Yet this f***er still puts you down with one kick and unlike when you go down after your health reaching zero, you can’t use your gun, so you can’t even activate the resurrection perk if you have it.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 19, 2022 18:13:09 GMT -5
I'd say all the characters in 2k20's story. You know you have a problem when not even your main villain is rootable even in a hammy way.
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Post by Mike Strike on Aug 19, 2022 18:23:52 GMT -5
Amy Rose. For those that didn't know, Amy isn't a game origin character but came from a manga. Considering the Sonic franchise is VASTLY more popular internationally than in Japan, Sega favoring an obscure manga character nobody remembers over the likes of Sally and other Freedom Fighters is at best a baffling decision amd at worst an extrorinarly xenophopic one. But not just that, Amy seems to be the only female character they care about anymore. Blaze the Cat could've been a big breakout heroine but Sega never did anything with her after the Rush games. She's just the Daisy for multiplayer rosters now. God forbid any lady have no importance than Amy. . Oh boy, buckle up buckaroos: -Starkiller from the Force Unleashed: The most fanfic character to ever come from a non fanfic work. Clearly you've never played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or watched those Resident Evil movies.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 19, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -5
Going with Yosuke, apparently his original story was supposed to involve him coming to terms with his bisexuality (including a possible romance with Yu). But it was left on the cutting room floor because the guy in charge of the game, Katsura Hoshino, has a reputation of being homophobic and transphobic. This would instantly cause several weird things about this game to suddenly make sense. Yosuke's forced bro-ness would be revealed as him wanting to get close to guys but having learned no way of interacting with them other than perving about girls. Kanji's whole thing could actually get redeemed; metaphorical gayness is much easier to swallow if it exists alongside actual gayness, and you can even pay off his newly mature masculinity by having him be accepting of his friend's queerness. Naoto's bizarre gender nonsense... well, okay, that probably couldn't tie in and it would still be embarrassing, but we can't have everything. I am not big on schadenfreude typically but I definitely want Persona 6 to have queerness in it both for its own sake and also because it'll wreck so many awful internet people. It's not like Jung was hostile to the idea of homosexuality (y'know, as these things go).
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Post by Soultastic on Aug 19, 2022 18:34:15 GMT -5
Amy Rose. For those that didn't know, Amy isn't a game origin character but came from a manga. Considering the Sonic franchise is VASTLY more popular internationally than in Japan, Sega favoring an obscure manga character nobody remembers over the likes of Sally and other Freedom Fighters is at best a baffling decision amd at worst an extrorinarly xenophopic one. But not just that, Amy seems to be the only female character they care about anymore. Blaze the Cat could've been a big breakout heroine but Sega never did anything with her after the Rush games. She's just the Daisy for multiplayer rosters now. God forbid any lady have no importance than Amy. . Oh boy, buckle up buckaroos: -Starkiller from the Force Unleashed: The most fanfic character to ever come from a non fanfic work. Clearly you've never played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or watched those Resident Evil movies. You are correct and have also proven that I made the correct decision.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 19, 2022 19:10:20 GMT -5
Going with Yosuke, apparently his original story was supposed to involve him coming to terms with his bisexuality (including a possible romance with Yu). But it was left on the cutting room floor because the guy in charge of the game, Katsura Hoshino, has a reputation of being homophobic and transphobic. This would instantly cause several weird things about this game to suddenly make sense. Yosuke's forced bro-ness would be revealed as him wanting to get close to guys but having learned no way of interacting with them other than perving about girls. Kanji's whole thing could actually get redeemed; metaphorical gayness is much easier to swallow if it exists alongside actual gayness, and you can even pay off his newly mature masculinity by having him be accepting of his friend's queerness. Naoto's bizarre gender nonsense... well, okay, that probably couldn't tie in and it would still be embarrassing, but we can't have everything. I am not big on schadenfreude typically but I definitely want Persona 6 to have queerness in it both for its own sake and also because it'll wreck so many awful internet people. It's not like Jung was hostile to the idea of homosexuality (y'know, as these things go). As a lot of Japan's younger generation is way more cool with queer people than older generations, I'd almost be surprised if Persona 6 didn't have queer people in it. You can make a case that a good chunk of the P5 cast is queer-coded even if it isn't explicitly stated (not just gay/bi; I get some ace vibes from Futaba and Yusuke personally). P4, too, on that note. Heck, Persona 3 Portable already broke that barrier as the female protagonist could have relationships with Aigis and Elizabeth (and Hoshino wasn't directly involved in that one. Shocker, I know).
If the traditionally "family friendly" Nintendo can have queer characters, including the main protagonists, in their last couple of Fire Emblem games, Atlus can follow suit.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 19, 2022 19:30:07 GMT -5
Amy Rose. For those that didn't know, Amy isn't a game origin character but came from a manga. Considering the Sonic franchise is VASTLY more popular internationally than in Japan, Sega favoring an obscure manga character nobody remembers over the likes of Sally and other Freedom Fighters is at best a baffling decision amd at worst an extrorinarly xenophopic one. But not just that, Amy seems to be the only female character they care about anymore. Blaze the Cat could've been a big breakout heroine but Sega never did anything with her after the Rush games. She's just the Daisy for multiplayer rosters now. God forbid any lady have no importance than Amy. . Oh boy, buckle up buckaroos: -Starkiller from the Force Unleashed: The most fanfic character to ever come from a non fanfic work. Clearly you've never played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or watched those Resident Evil movies. I honestly think it's more ego xenophobia why the freedom fighters aren't around anymore. That and Penders. Besides, it seems like no one other than Sonic and Eggman matter these days.
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Post by 6pathsoftommy on Aug 19, 2022 19:35:54 GMT -5
MacCready in Fallout 3. I wanted to throw him into the wasteland so bad. Luckily, he became pretty pretty cool in Fallout 4
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on Aug 19, 2022 19:39:49 GMT -5
Surprised we've gone 2 pages without someone saying Ashley Graham from Resident Evil 4 Eh...she mostly stays out of the way during the action bits, you can have her hide and stay out of danger. Plus, all the ammo you save when she's in the armor?
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 19, 2022 20:01:22 GMT -5
Amy Rose. For those that didn't know, Amy isn't a game origin character but came from a manga. Considering the Sonic franchise is VASTLY more popular internationally than in Japan, Sega favoring an obscure manga character nobody remembers over the likes of Sally and other Freedom Fighters is at best a baffling decision amd at worst an extrorinarly xenophopic one. But not just that, Amy seems to be the only female character they care about anymore. Blaze the Cat could've been a big breakout heroine but Sega never did anything with her after the Rush games. She's just the Daisy for multiplayer rosters now. God forbid any lady have no importance than Amy. . Clearly you've never played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or watched those Resident Evil movies. I honestly think it's more ego xenophobia why the freedom fighters aren't around anymore. That and Penders. Besides, it seems like no one other than Sonic and Eggman matter these days. As far as Amy Rose, the tricky thing with her is that she's arguably been in a weird place as character in two different eras. In the aughts she was heavily promoted as a major figure to the point of being playable and more or less was the sixth main character behind the main trio, Eggman, & Shadow. This was also the same time the mainline games were embracing the Japanese canon in all regions, thus her being the female character of the cast. The problem was that her characterization tended to be fairly shallow and not often developing beyond her love for Sonic. In the decade afterward and especially after the disaster of Sonic 06 when the extended cast was greatly paired down, Amy was too important to get rid of, but not so popular that she warranted being playable or having much to do. Thus when she did pop up, she felt like she was just sorta there because she had to be. And obviously it did no favors in really exploring her personality either. The funny is that it was the Sonic Boom TV series that's probably done the most for her, because the writers more or less had to give her a range of characterization to make the jokes work. Hence why there are numerous episodes where her crush on Sonic never plays a part as the focus is on some other element of personality. Time will tell if this more well rounded depiction will take root in the games themselves.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 19, 2022 20:17:16 GMT -5
Trevor in GTAV. I get that playing as a homicidal maniac is pretty much the point of GTA games, but I just found Trevor so deeply unpleasant and unsympathetic compared to just about every other GTA protagonist it kinda ruined the game for me. Kaiden in Mass Effect trilogy {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Played as Femshep during last play through, did not romance him at all..
No real issue with him in ME1.. let him live,
ME2 bit of a jerk … an ungrateful one at that too, c’mon man I could have saved Ashley instead of your sour ass (yeah I know Ashley acts same if it’s her that was saved)
Then in ME3.. still a bit of a jerk, but after that point in the game when he can rejoin the Normandy crew.. the way he acts during some meeting points comes off as a whiney teenage butt hurt cause Shepard won’t go out with him… and then, dude your not coming with us on any mission., I’m not wasting any dialogue options on you. I’d rather take James… at least he can be funny sometimes.
I don’t think I have had a play through this far with Male Shep to get to this point. So I don’t how he is at that point. All of this, right here. Ashley might be a space racist in the first game and be fairy superfluous if you're playing soldier-class in ME3, but she doesn't regress as a character the way Kaiden does. Hell, she even becomes more accepting of aliens. Kaiden is just the worst, and I'll never save his whiny ass again.
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 19, 2022 21:09:04 GMT -5
Seymour in FFX.
You whoop him FOUR times. The second time is like "okay, he's got a new form", third time is like "okay, another form but at least it's kind of challenging", the fourth time is like "OH GOD GO AWAY". Plus, the last fight is somehow the easiest fight; I always beat him before he even gets a chance to use ultima. Every let's play I've seen of FFX, the player has the exact same reaction to his fourth from, lol. Like, how is he still a threat? He's basically Team Rocket, except not funny or charming.
Also, his design sucks and his motivation is boring. I quite like his backstory but that's about it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 19, 2022 21:13:19 GMT -5
Kaiden in Mass Effect trilogy {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Played as Femshep during last play through, did not romance him at all..
No real issue with him in ME1.. let him live,
ME2 bit of a jerk … an ungrateful one at that too, c’mon man I could have saved Ashley instead of your sour ass (yeah I know Ashley acts same if it’s her that was saved)
Then in ME3.. still a bit of a jerk, but after that point in the game when he can rejoin the Normandy crew.. the way he acts during some meeting points comes off as a whiney teenage butt hurt cause Shepard won’t go out with him… and then, dude your not coming with us on any mission., I’m not wasting any dialogue options on you. I’d rather take James… at least he can be funny sometimes.
I don’t think I have had a play through this far with Male Shep to get to this point. So I don’t how he is at that point. If we are talking Mass Effect trilogy, I don’t think it gets worse than Kai Leng
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 19, 2022 21:16:57 GMT -5
Trevor in GTAV. I get that playing as a homicidal maniac is pretty much the point of GTA games, but I just found Trevor so deeply unpleasant and unsympathetic compared to just about every other GTA protagonist it kinda ruined the game for me. Kaiden in Mass Effect trilogy {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Played as Femshep during last play through, did not romance him at all..
No real issue with him in ME1.. let him live,
ME2 bit of a jerk … an ungrateful one at that too, c’mon man I could have saved Ashley instead of your sour ass (yeah I know Ashley acts same if it’s her that was saved)
Then in ME3.. still a bit of a jerk, but after that point in the game when he can rejoin the Normandy crew.. the way he acts during some meeting points comes off as a whiney teenage butt hurt cause Shepard won’t go out with him… and then, dude your not coming with us on any mission., I’m not wasting any dialogue options on you. I’d rather take James… at least he can be funny sometimes.
I don’t think I have had a play through this far with Male Shep to get to this point. So I don’t how he is at that point. All of this, right here. Ashley might be a space racist in the first game and be fairy superfluous if you're playing soldier-class in ME3, but she doesn't regress as a character the way Kaiden does. Hell, she even becomes more accepting of aliens. Kaiden is just the worst, and I'll never save his whiny ass again. Ashley's characterization in ME3 is a huge improvement from ME1.
Unfortunately, I did the Kaiden romance in Legendary for the paramour meta-trophy. Then he dumped me on Horizon and I ran into the arms of Garrus which was 1000% better.
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Post by chrom on Aug 19, 2022 21:23:43 GMT -5
Seymour in FFX. You whoop him FOUR times. The second time is like "okay, he's got a new form", third time is like "okay, another form but at least it's kind of challenging", the fourth time is like "OH GOD GO AWAY". Plus, the last fight is somehow the easiest fight; I always beat him before he even gets a chance to use ultima. Every let's play I've seen of FFX, the player has the exact same reaction to his fourth from, lol. Like, how is he still a threat? He's basically Team Rocket, except not funny or charming. Also, his design sucks and his motivation is boring. I quite like his backstory but that's about it. Hard to take him seriously given he's got a beer gut
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 19, 2022 22:26:11 GMT -5
Herbert Moon in Red Dead Redemption. His anti-Semitism was historically accurate given the setting, but every interaction with him ranting about Jews got old fast.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 19, 2022 22:27:41 GMT -5
Herbert Moon in Red Dead Redemption. His anti-Semitism was historically accurate given the setting, but every interaction with him ranting about Jews got old fast. He did get eaten by Zombies tho
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Aug 19, 2022 22:29:00 GMT -5
Psaro the Manslayer, the main villain from Dragon Quest IV. The bastard has seven forms. SEVEN. That is WAY too many forms, even for a JRPG final boss.
Zhuge Liang from Dynasty Warriors (and technically, Romance of the Three Kingdoms itself). "Oh, did you beat me? Haha, silly person, it was all part of my plan"- NO. SHUT UP. YOU CAN'T JUST "ALL PART OF THE PLAN" ME EVERY TIME I BEAT YOU. I WIN. YOU LOSE. F*** YOU.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 19, 2022 22:33:47 GMT -5
Herbert Moon in Red Dead Redemption. His anti-Semitism was historically accurate given the setting, but every interaction with him ranting about Jews got old fast. He did get eaten by Zombies tho True, but I don’t consider Undead Nightmare canon.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 19, 2022 23:10:51 GMT -5
Psaro the Manslayer, the main villain from Dragon Quest IV. The bastard has seven forms. SEVEN. That is WAY too many forms, even for a JRPG final boss. Zhuge Liang from Dynasty Warriors (and technically, Romance of the Three Kingdoms itself). "Oh, did you beat me? Haha, silly person, it was all part of my plan"- NO. SHUT UP. YOU CAN'T JUST "ALL PART OF THE PLAN" ME EVERY TIME I BEAT YOU. I WIN. YOU LOSE. F*** YOU. You may find solace in that the writer of the real-life book was heavily biased towards Shu and outright made up some things for Zhuge Liang to have achieved. In real life, Cao Zhang pretty solidly defended Wei from him and he never even came close to conquering Xuchang.
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