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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 24, 2022 22:03:10 GMT -5
My reaction for this (and the Punk promo) seems to be so different from so many other people's, I'm wondering what I'm missing. To me, it didn't feel like particularly strange booking: just telling two stories, where Moxley becomes the real champ and gets to be a brutal tweener asskicker, and where Punk's arrogance and brittle self-esteem lead him to an official heel turn. Honestly, the weirdest, most inexplicable booking for me is the whole interim champion thing in the first place. I guess they just want to show off a way they're unique, but it sure looks like it'd always be a weird cul-de-sac, in terms of narrative. honestly I think the interim title thing is negatively received more so because the TNT title was done with Sammy when Cody was out for a couple weeks.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 24, 2022 22:06:07 GMT -5
My reaction for this (and the Punk promo) seems to be so different from so many other people's, I'm wondering what I'm missing. To me, it didn't feel like particularly strange booking: just telling two stories, where Moxley becomes the real champ and gets to be a brutal tweener asskicker, and where Punk's arrogance and brittle self-esteem lead him to an official heel turn. Honestly, the weirdest, most inexplicable booking for me is the whole interim champion thing in the first place. I guess they just want to show off a way they're unique, but it sure looks like it'd always be a weird cul-de-sac, in terms of narrative. Same.
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Post by Fade on Aug 24, 2022 22:07:39 GMT -5
My reaction for this (and the Punk promo) seems to be so different from so many other people's, I'm wondering what I'm missing. To me, it didn't feel like particularly strange booking: just telling two stories, where Moxley becomes the real champ and gets to be a brutal tweener asskicker, and where Punk's arrogance and brittle self-esteem lead him to an official heel turn. Honestly, the weirdest, most inexplicable booking for me is the whole interim champion thing in the first place. I guess they just want to show off a way they're unique, but it sure looks like it'd always be a weird cul-de-sac, in terms of narrative. honestly I think the interim title thing is negatively received more so because the TNT title was done with Sammy when Cody was out for a couple weeks. I’ll say that I don’t like it because I think every show needs their protagonist/Champion. Sort of similarly to Romans heel run, there’s a feeling of “none of this matters”. Kind of worse when they jammed in repeatedly that Punk was Champion and Jon wasn’t. That being said this unification match felt huge. If something similarly happens with Thunder Rosa and Storm, f*** it, it’s worth it I guess.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 24, 2022 22:14:08 GMT -5
My reaction for this (and the Punk promo) seems to be so different from so many other people's, I'm wondering what I'm missing. To me, it didn't feel like particularly strange booking: just telling two stories, where Moxley becomes the real champ and gets to be a brutal tweener asskicker, and where Punk's arrogance and brittle self-esteem lead him to an official heel turn. Honestly, the weirdest, most inexplicable booking for me is the whole interim champion thing in the first place. I guess they just want to show off a way they're unique, but it sure looks like it'd always be a weird cul-de-sac, in terms of narrative. honestly I think the interim title thing is negatively received more so because the TNT title was done with Sammy when Cody was out for a couple weeks. I dislike it for a number of reasons - pretty much saddles everything going on with the interim title with an asterisk for no real reason, leaves the whole title scene in a state of limbo for an indeterminate amount of time waiting for the champion to return while they cast a shadow over everything, bloats out reign length for no real reason, handcuffs you to having to throw whoever is the champion straight back into a title feud when they return instead of having creative freedom to explore other options with it first, seemingly just done because MMA does it with no regard whatsoever for the wealth of differences between them (and really in general wrestling needs to just stop f***ing aping MMA, it absolutely always produces shitty, worthless TV), and it just needlessly clutters the storytelling are some things coming to mind off the top of my head. In general it's a thing where it's not really the worst thing ever, but there are tons of reasons not to do it and the only reason TO do it that I can see is just, "LOL, we're so wacky and different!" Same for how utterly goddamn useless the rankings are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 22:17:23 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol.
That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line.
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Post by Celgress on Aug 24, 2022 22:20:03 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. agreed on both counts
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 24, 2022 22:24:51 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. If Vince booked punk to lose in a three minute match everyone would shit on it because it would be a sign that Punk was getting a megapush down the card and being made a joke, because people have decades of Vince McMahon booking to look back on and understand what the moves he's making mean. A lot of the backlash to any one WWE decision was in the tea leaves that you had to read into things, because he books so cyclically in patterns that a lot of moves signaled a direction turn people really didn't want. There's never a mystery when Vince booked a top guy to get squashed for a belt like that, like when it happened with Kofi. Intrigue does not spin from these decisions in Vince's hands. Right now this is shocking and interesting because we don't know what the direction is. Because we can't just fingerpaint the way the story is going to go. For those not shitting on it, it's born I think out of an excitement to see what happens next, because whatever does happen is uncharted territory for a booker who usually books his top title along very logical and very safe lines.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 24, 2022 22:31:51 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. I agree in a sense, but I think they just wanted to get out of the whole “interim Champion” deal, and there was no way in hell they were going to do this in Chicago.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 24, 2022 22:33:22 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. They made the interim champion a thing, the whole storyline was Punk thought he was ready to come back, pushed back, and his foot gave out and he lost I don't see how this is a "Vince thing" or even "dumb", it was entirely in kayfabe of Punk's ego finally getting the better of him and he sold the f*** out of it in the post match. Him losing due to a bum foot doesn't hurt him and he has a lot he can do when he comes back. Like with no context it's easy to say it's dumb for Punk to just lose in three minutes, but there was a lot going on, and I thought they played it off super well.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 24, 2022 22:33:57 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. I agree in a sense, but I think they just wanted to get out of the whole “interim Champion” deal, and there was no way in hell they were going to do this in Chicago. Better that they did this near Moxley’s neck of the woods than in Chicago, where they’d probably have a damn near riot if Punk lost like this.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 24, 2022 22:34:26 GMT -5
I personally don't have a problem with the interim champion. It's different enough from what wrestling has always done so it feels original for AEW. The Punk thing is weird, is he still injured? Did his thing with Hangman screw up his run? Is he actually leaving? Is this all a complicated work?
I guess at the end of the day, this is the closest they can get to kayfabe and not knowing what's happening. That's all good. The execution of getting to this point has left a lot to be desired though heading in to their top event of the year and no main event as of right now.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 24, 2022 22:38:20 GMT -5
you know, while I do think everything will be soothed over, I'm leaning towards this to be a combo of Punk not being fully ready but also this being somewhat punishment for that promo since it sounds like everything was changed on the fly.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 24, 2022 22:41:28 GMT -5
As a Punk fan I'm disappointed but it'll lead to something, he's far and away they're biggest star they have a plan.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 24, 2022 22:42:35 GMT -5
I'm just happy the interim title stuff is over, it's one of the notable things AEW does that I just don't like. I'd prefer they just strip a hurt champ of the belt and move on, have another match down the road once they're healed.
I'm also fine with the short match and the bum foot, it means they can come back to it later properly if they want.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 24, 2022 22:46:15 GMT -5
Fall out of one interim champion situation, walk right into another with Thunder Rosa. Cody Rhodes has done more damage to this company that he's done good for it.
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Post by britishbulldog on Aug 24, 2022 22:50:32 GMT -5
I hate it because not the biggest punk fan I find Moxley to be complete garbage. Hated him in wwe hate him more here.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 24, 2022 22:54:26 GMT -5
Going back to the segment last week to see if I can get some story clarity out of this lol -Holy shit Punk's promo is incredible hubris after tonight -"Moxley's not even the first John I'm gonna beat for a championship belt in Chicago." -Moxley saying literally what was gonna happen tonight "CM Punk doing what he does best, writing checks with his mouth that his body can't cash." *holds foot up -Punk hyping up All Out so much feels especially weird now if he's really missing it...going by rewatch my gut says he gets the belt back in Chicago, at all costs/showing his true colors if he's healed up and they were playing up how hurt his foot was tonight
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Post by flowercity on Aug 24, 2022 23:16:11 GMT -5
If Vince booked Punk to lose in a 3 minute match like that, everyone would be shitting on it lol. That was dumb. The match shouldn't have happened if Punk couldn't wrestle properly. Save it for a few months down the line. Vince booking a clean, decisive title finish on free TV is a funny thought. I give you that.
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Post by Fade on Aug 24, 2022 23:20:24 GMT -5
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Aug 24, 2022 23:50:24 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Miz is in Dexter Lumis’s dungeon eating Froot Loops and laughing his ass off.
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