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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 24, 2022 23:52:04 GMT -5
The usual suspects are also zeroing in on Punk not selling the foot that he kicked with and instead sold the one that he planted.
That is the one that was already injured.
Which he put all of his weight on when he planted.
Oh gee, I wonder why nobody takes EDrone complaints seriously.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 24, 2022 23:53:36 GMT -5
I think this was the best possible outcome. Giving away one of your biggest possible matches on free TV with a one week build would be stupid. At least now it was barely a match and they can blame Punk’s injury so they can easily go back to it when Punk’s fully healed.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 24, 2022 23:56:11 GMT -5
It would be soooooooooo funny if Punk just leaves the company and that was the end of it and nobody speaks of it again. I think this was the best possible outcome. Giving away one of your biggest possible matches on free TV with a one week build would be stupid. At least now it was barely a match and they can blame Punk’s injury so they can easily go back to it when Punk’s fully healed. I'm of two minds on this. Because they advertised the match. They might have gotten a bigger number of people that don't usually watch the show and they do this finish that really just looking at it plainly can be seen as a ripoff. But they didn't give away the ACTUAL match so theres still value down the line but I don't know. I just wouldn't have done it at all.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 24, 2022 23:59:04 GMT -5
It would be soooooooooo funny if Punk just leaves the company and that was the end of it and nobody speaks of it again. I'm just kinda bracing for this to come out tomorrow like Punk quitting announced via SRS and a deleted tweet from TK lol
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Post by chazraps on Aug 25, 2022 1:01:47 GMT -5
Throwing it out there - I really liked Mox's promo following the commercial break or a segment or so after the match.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 1:22:59 GMT -5
It would be soooooooooo funny if Punk just leaves the company and that was the end of it and nobody speaks of it again. I'm just kinda bracing for this to come out tomorrow like Punk quitting announced via SRS and a deleted tweet from TK lol "HOPE YOU GUYS WATCH RAMPAGE THIS FRIDAY ON TNT NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME I'M GONNA GO SET THE JAGUARS FOOTBALL FIELD ON FIRE"
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 25, 2022 1:28:33 GMT -5
That was f***ing terrible. And I see no way it can be forgiven.
That was company killing.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 25, 2022 1:32:29 GMT -5
As a Punk fan I'm disappointed but it'll lead to something, he's far and away they're biggest star they have a plan. Id argue Jericho, Bryan and Omega are bigger stars. Jericho and Bryan have Main Evented Wrestlemania. Bryan just a couple of years ago. And Omega is AEW.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 1:38:36 GMT -5
That was f***ing terrible. And I see no way it can be forgiven. That was company killing. The match result and the way they went about it was a lot of things, but it was not the f***ing Fingerpoke of Doom out there The match made complete sense in kayfabe as to why Punk lost, Punk now has a ton of outs and ways he can go about it when he comes back, and Moxley is established as THE two time champion They made the best out of a tough situation and kept it entirely within the confines of a story that can easily be continued down the line. Company killing implies they've done something that will destroy AEW and they'll simply never recover... and given the crowd went batshit for the Trios main event that followed this, I'm struggling to see it as that much of a black mark on history.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 1:41:00 GMT -5
Just in case anyone is wondering, the Youtube stats for the Mox/Punk match/angle
23K likes, 4K dislikes
AEW's Youtube is not afraid to absolutely shred segments with dislikes, see Satnam Singh's debut, so idk how negative it's been online as a whole, but a lot of people seem cool with it and want to see what's next.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 25, 2022 1:41:05 GMT -5
I don't wanna get all hyperbolic "OMG FINGERPOKE OF DOOM!" levels here.
I want to remain objective.
So I'll say that yes the diehards can defend this until they're blue in the face with the "I'm just making a counter point" (that's stretching it quite a bit) buuuuuuuut there was a better way to book this entire scenario no matter what's happening behind the scenes. This just shows to me once again that TK is absolutely awful at Plan B's usually.
Some alternatives:
Punk's still injured. Strip him of the title, and make Mox THE champion. Punk then has a LOT of fuel to a fire when he comes back and would give us an amazing program for the title with Punk saying "I never lost", and Mox could be all "you were too chickenshit to try" or some edgelord stuff, and the build writes itself.
Don't want to strip him of the title, fine, let Mox remain Interim champ. Have him defend at All Out. Have Punk come back in..say...November, and boom you can have the promo we had last week on the return Dynamite on the road to a proper build and feud. Advertise a special "in-ring promo" with Punk at the All Out PPV to at least give the Chicago fans something. Punk can say when he's better the pretender to his throne will be taken out. Mox ofc will take offense to that. Boom. You have the embers laid for the fire to be built later.
Don't want to do either of those, okay, still build to All Out between the two. Make it a street fight. Mox likes to bleed, a lot, so let the violence sell the match where the wrestling can't. "But Punk can't do that" okay then see my just now off the top of my head booking ideas above.
My point is there are dozens and dozens of ways TK could have handled and booked around this, he chose to go with worst one in my opinion. Literally any other option would have been better.
But....but.....
I kinda hope it ends up being the most 4D chess god tier master class in booking and I'm proven wrong.
Edit: Oh and the super Paradigm Shift (Death Rider?) is still garbage. I wish he'd stop doing that.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 25, 2022 1:45:35 GMT -5
That was f***ing terrible. And I see no way it can be forgiven. That was company killing. The match result and the way they went about it was a lot of things, but it was not the f***ing Fingerpoke of Doom out there The match made complete sense in kayfabe as to why Punk lost, Punk now has a ton of outs and ways he can go about it when he comes back, and Moxley is established as THE two time champion They made the best out of a tough situation and kept it entirely within the confines of a story that can easily be continued down the line. Company killing implies they've done something that will destroy AEW and they'll simply never recover... and given the crowd went batshit for the Trios main event that followed this, I'm struggling to see it as that much of a black mark on history. It's the biggest match they've ever had, given a shitty build, a shitty match, and a terrible finish. WWE or NJPW can make a mistake like this. AEW is to new. They've f***ed up big time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 1:47:57 GMT -5
I don't wanna get all hyperbolic "OMG FINGERPOKE OF DOOM!" levels here. I want to remain objective. So I'll say that yes the diehards can defend this until they're blue in the face with the "I'm just making a counter point" (that's stretching it quite a bit) buuuuuuuut there was a better way to book this entire scenario no matter what's happening behind the scenes. This just shows to me once again that TK is absolutely awful at Plan B's usually. Some alternatives: Punk's still injured. Strip him of the title, and make Mox THE champion. Punk then has a LOT of fuel to a fire when he comes back and would give us an amazing program for the title with Punk saying "I never lost", and Mox could be all "you were too chickenshit to try" or some edgelord stuff, and the build writes itself. Don't want to strip him of the title, fine, let Mox remain Interim champ. Have him defend at All Out. Have Punk come back in..say...November, and boom you can have the promo we had last week on the return Dynamite on the road to a proper build and feud. Advertise a special "in-ring promo" with Punk at the All Out PPV to at least give the Chicago fans something. Punk can say when he's better the pretender to his throne will be taken out. Mox ofc will take offense to that. Boom. You have the embers laid for the fire to be built later. Don't want to do either of those, okay, still build to All Out between the two. Make it a street fight. Mox likes to bleed, a lot, so let the violence sell the match where the wrestling can't. "But Punk can't do that" okay then see my just now off the top of my head booking ideas above. My point is are dozens and dozens of ways TK could have handled and booked around this, he chose to go with worst one in my opinion. Literally any other option would have been better. But going about it this way opens up a lot of possibilities that wouldn't have worked with the other choices I'm not being a diehard here either, I'm just coming with why I think this was a good move, the points I'd lay out are 1. Punk's ego gets the better of him. He comes back, all cocky, and then once he actually has to wrestle, his foots not ready, and it costs him everything. After all the promos, taking shots at others, and the like, his body in fact can't write the check his mouth was trying to cash 2. Mox is no longer "interim". Peeps hated that anyway, and he's had a great run so far. Legitimize it, and let him go until Punk's really ready 3. Punk losing the belt in this fashion can allow him to go heel. The crowd cheering Moxley and celebrating his win while he looks around heartbroken, is a good way if they really wanted to, for Punk to turn jaded, for coming back early for the fans as he said, they cheered Moxley even after it was clear Punk got hurt. You couldn't do this in Chicago, where Punk is god. Doing it in Ohio however? You get the reaction you want. 4. You set up the rematch perfectly. Punk loses because he's hurt, Mox takes advantage and destroys him. You didn't really do the Punk/Mox match, now Punk can heal up with no commitment, and Moxley can do his thing, and when you come back to this, it's a whole new ballgame, with a potentially heel Punk vs Moxley. I get why some people just aren't fans of this move, but given everything they had to work with, I don't see how this is "The worst option", could there be better ones? Sure, but I also think what they did could prove to be a better outcome than the other options listed, and I hope they pull it off.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 1:51:33 GMT -5
The match result and the way they went about it was a lot of things, but it was not the f***ing Fingerpoke of Doom out there The match made complete sense in kayfabe as to why Punk lost, Punk now has a ton of outs and ways he can go about it when he comes back, and Moxley is established as THE two time champion They made the best out of a tough situation and kept it entirely within the confines of a story that can easily be continued down the line. Company killing implies they've done something that will destroy AEW and they'll simply never recover... and given the crowd went batshit for the Trios main event that followed this, I'm struggling to see it as that much of a black mark on history. It's the biggest match they've ever had, given a shitty build, a shitty match, and a terrible finish. WWE or NJPW can make a mistake like this. AEW is to new. They've f***ed up big time. It was not the biggest match they've ever had, and almost every single person here and online thought it'd end in a screwy finish anyway with it being on free TV, you can read the posts here saying they fully expected it being on free TV meaning something was happening and it did. So I don't know what lofty expectations were set here, but given the state of Punk and what they advertised after the fight segments last week, they didn't really cheat fans out of anything, and the match wasn't given away because almost nothing between the men happened and an injury angle was played. They set up an even bigger rematch by doing this if that's what the plan is, this is how real life champion fights can happen when injuries happen mid match, the rematches when the loser is healthy sell even harder because now the bets are off. You can run this match back at a PPV with Punk healthy and there will literally be zero problem with it and it will sell out. AEW isn't in trouble and the sky is not falling for them.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 25, 2022 1:57:51 GMT -5
I love AEW and don't hate much about it, but that match/booking decision/whatever sucked.
For one it completely sucked the energy out of the show for me. This was a super hyped match, that all if a sudden is put in in the middle of the show, and then the announce team calls a different match the Main Event. So bizarre.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 25, 2022 2:04:57 GMT -5
It's intriguing enough alright, although the same could be said of MJF's pipebomb and that hasn't gone anywhere.
Punk has to turn heel though, if he's sticking around. He's been made to look the biggest loser possible this past two weeks.
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Post by deezy on Aug 25, 2022 2:14:24 GMT -5
I hate Punk and Like Mox so I'm happy with the result. But the way they got to it was so stupid.
They could of went in a number of different ways and they chose this ? Like someone said earlier Kahn sucks with plan B's.
It makes the Hangman diss last week look even more worse.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 2:17:56 GMT -5
I hate Punk and Like Mox so I'm happy with the result. But the way they got to it was so stupid. They could of went in a number of different ways and they chose this ? Like someone said earlier Kahn sucks with plan B's. It makes the Hangman diss last week look even more worse. I'm still missing how it makes the Hangman callout even worse. Hangman didn't give Punk the time of day in Kayfabe, and then Punk went out and showed he was an egomaniac by trying to beat Moxley when he wasn't ready and was still injured Like to me it almost justifies Hangman not paying it any mind and focusing on Dark Order, and it makes PUNK look bad for picking all these fights and then immediately buckling once he had to back anything up
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 25, 2022 2:20:28 GMT -5
I hate Punk and Like Mox so I'm happy with the result. But the way they got to it was so stupid. They could of went in a number of different ways and they chose this ? Like someone said earlier Kahn sucks with plan B's. It makes the Hangman diss last week look even more worse. I dunno mate if anything it makes Punk look worse. Dude ran his mouth, and then got put in his place the next week while Hangman ghosted the entire thing (albeit that small bit on BTE).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 25, 2022 2:24:01 GMT -5
I hate Punk and Like Mox so I'm happy with the result. But the way they got to it was so stupid. They could of went in a number of different ways and they chose this ? Like someone said earlier Kahn sucks with plan B's. It makes the Hangman diss last week look even more worse. I dunno mate if anything it makes Punk look worse. Dude ran his mouth, and then got put in his place the next week while Hangman ghosted the entire thing (albeit that small bit on BTE). 100% agreed on this... I get the whole thing before was Hangman needed to address it, but this is the equivalent to someone getting called out to a fight in a schoolyard, no showing, and the Bully who called them out getting their ass kicked by a bigger bully the next week Like Punk talked too much shit and then got hit, Hangman's hanging out with his friends and trying to coach them to titles... I think he's ok
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