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Post by asuka007 on Sept 2, 2022 22:07:28 GMT -5
If TK is serious about a “reset”. Athena needs to win (especially after that promo on Rampage) and either Toni or Hayter should win as well.
Also Ruby is STILL over even now. Use her better Tony.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 3, 2022 13:28:46 GMT -5
I think trying to treat the women's division the same as the men's is a mistake. They have some massive stars at the top of the men's division with decades of experience and he largely attempts to keep them apart when not fueding so they can sell ppvs whenever their paths do cross. He doesn't need to do that for the women. Let the top names face each other regularly on rampage, have more title matches on TV. There no need to wait for the ppvs. It's not a direct comparison but Paige, Emma, and the Horsewomen did that in nxt and they all elevated each other and it kept growing until that momentum improved things on the main roster and eventually two of them main-evented wm. If the women are putting on similarly great rampage main events they'll soon force their way into more prominent dynamite and ppv slots. Tbf I think they're moving in that direction, more of the better wrestlers facing each other in tag matches is a start. Now this seems like an interesting line of discussion, to me. I get the mentality they've had: when you feel you only have a handful of wrestlers in a given division who can really deliver on a big stage you don't want to overdo having them face one another on free TV, lest the potential future PPV and/or tournament matches they might have lose some of their juice and possible drawing power. Yet at the same time it creates that "self-fulfilling prophecy" that's been brought up before about the division: when it doesn't get to showcase itself using its best with regularity, it's tough to then generate the appropriate levels of anticipation for said PPV and/or tournament matches going forward. I think they can do what you're suggesting, though, in part because of something that's been cited as an issue for them over time: the fact that some of their performers are away for chunks of time, ala Shida going back to Japan for stretches, which allows some of their matchups to remain fresher than they otherwise would be. That obviously doesn't impact the whole division, but knowing you'll have a few folks who won't get overused for those lengths of time can be turned into a strength. As for Rampage, I've said before that I feel like it's a bit of a no-win situation with many people; put on too many important things and it's "why aren't you doing this on Dynamite?"/"why is this on a show that's on so late on a Friday?", don't do enough big stuff and it's "why isn't anything big happening on this" etc. etc. I think as long as Friday at 10 EST is the time slot that'll be an issue, but at the same time that being the time slot means it's not too tough to draw ratings high enough to please the network.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 3, 2022 14:01:27 GMT -5
They should do a roster split with Rampage becoming ROH and being established as the place for their titles and storylines.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 3, 2022 14:47:05 GMT -5
I think trying to treat the women's division the same as the men's is a mistake. They have some massive stars at the top of the men's division with decades of experience and he largely attempts to keep them apart when not fueding so they can sell ppvs whenever their paths do cross. He doesn't need to do that for the women. Let the top names face each other regularly on rampage, have more title matches on TV. There no need to wait for the ppvs. It's not a direct comparison but Paige, Emma, and the Horsewomen did that in nxt and they all elevated each other and it kept growing until that momentum improved things on the main roster and eventually two of them main-evented wm. If the women are putting on similarly great rampage main events they'll soon force their way into more prominent dynamite and ppv slots. Tbf I think they're moving in that direction, more of the better wrestlers facing each other in tag matches is a start. Now this seems like an interesting line of discussion, to me. I get the mentality they've had: when you feel you only have a handful of wrestlers in a given division who can really deliver on a big stage you don't want to overdo having them face one another on free TV, lest the potential future PPV and/or tournament matches they might have lose some of their juice and possible drawing power. Yet at the same time it creates that "self-fulfilling prophecy" that's been brought up before about the division: when it doesn't get to showcase itself using its best with regularity, it's tough to then generate the appropriate levels of anticipation for said PPV and/or tournament matches going forward. I think they can do what you're suggesting, though, in part because of something that's been cited as an issue for them over time: the fact that some of their performers are away for chunks of time, ala Shida going back to Japan for stretches, which allows some of their matchups to remain fresher than they otherwise would be. That obviously doesn't impact the whole division, but knowing you'll have a few folks who won't get overused for those lengths of time can be turned into a strength. As for Rampage, I've said before that I feel like it's a bit of a no-win situation with many people; put on too many important things and it's "why aren't you doing this on Dynamite?"/"why is this on a show that's on so late on a Friday?", don't do enough big stuff and it's "why isn't anything big happening on this" etc. etc. I think as long as Friday at 10 EST is the time slot that'll be an issue, but at the same time that being the time slot means it's not too tough to draw ratings high enough to please the network. Maths isn't my strong point but I think if the below had a singles match in some combo every week there's be enough unique matches to last two years? Shida, Deeb, Hayter, Storm, Baker, Jade, Rosa, Ruby, Rhio, Statlander, Athena. Of course in reality you'd have tags, triple threats etc too. Then you have Tjpw and other guests too. With others stepping up to join this group over time and new signings. Regardless of my mathematical skills the point is there's no reason to hold back now, there's enough good women signed, just let them fight.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 3, 2022 14:52:23 GMT -5
Now this seems like an interesting line of discussion, to me. I get the mentality they've had: when you feel you only have a handful of wrestlers in a given division who can really deliver on a big stage you don't want to overdo having them face one another on free TV, lest the potential future PPV and/or tournament matches they might have lose some of their juice and possible drawing power. Yet at the same time it creates that "self-fulfilling prophecy" that's been brought up before about the division: when it doesn't get to showcase itself using its best with regularity, it's tough to then generate the appropriate levels of anticipation for said PPV and/or tournament matches going forward. I think they can do what you're suggesting, though, in part because of something that's been cited as an issue for them over time: the fact that some of their performers are away for chunks of time, ala Shida going back to Japan for stretches, which allows some of their matchups to remain fresher than they otherwise would be. That obviously doesn't impact the whole division, but knowing you'll have a few folks who won't get overused for those lengths of time can be turned into a strength. As for Rampage, I've said before that I feel like it's a bit of a no-win situation with many people; put on too many important things and it's "why aren't you doing this on Dynamite?"/"why is this on a show that's on so late on a Friday?", don't do enough big stuff and it's "why isn't anything big happening on this" etc. etc. I think as long as Friday at 10 EST is the time slot that'll be an issue, but at the same time that being the time slot means it's not too tough to draw ratings high enough to please the network. Maths isn't my strong point but I think if the below had a singles match in some combo every week there's be enough unique matches to last two years? Shida, Deeb, Hayter, Storm, Baker, Jade, Rosa, Ruby, Rhio, Statlander, Athena. Of course in reality you'd have tags, triple threats etc too. Then you have Tjpw and other guests too. With others stepping up to join this group over time and new signings. Regardless of my mathematical skills the point is there's no reason to hold back now, there's enough good women signed, just let them fight. I did the math myself a while back and can confirm that you are right, provided the roster stays uninjured (which is of course impossible), and that the G1 would be a reasonable mathematical model for figuring out the win/loss records of it all.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 3, 2022 15:14:44 GMT -5
Now this seems like an interesting line of discussion, to me. I get the mentality they've had: when you feel you only have a handful of wrestlers in a given division who can really deliver on a big stage you don't want to overdo having them face one another on free TV, lest the potential future PPV and/or tournament matches they might have lose some of their juice and possible drawing power. Yet at the same time it creates that "self-fulfilling prophecy" that's been brought up before about the division: when it doesn't get to showcase itself using its best with regularity, it's tough to then generate the appropriate levels of anticipation for said PPV and/or tournament matches going forward. I think they can do what you're suggesting, though, in part because of something that's been cited as an issue for them over time: the fact that some of their performers are away for chunks of time, ala Shida going back to Japan for stretches, which allows some of their matchups to remain fresher than they otherwise would be. That obviously doesn't impact the whole division, but knowing you'll have a few folks who won't get overused for those lengths of time can be turned into a strength. As for Rampage, I've said before that I feel like it's a bit of a no-win situation with many people; put on too many important things and it's "why aren't you doing this on Dynamite?"/"why is this on a show that's on so late on a Friday?", don't do enough big stuff and it's "why isn't anything big happening on this" etc. etc. I think as long as Friday at 10 EST is the time slot that'll be an issue, but at the same time that being the time slot means it's not too tough to draw ratings high enough to please the network. Maths isn't my strong point but I think if the below had a singles match in some combo every week there's be enough unique matches to last two years? Shida, Deeb, Hayter, Storm, Baker, Jade, Rosa, Ruby, Rhio, Statlander, Athena. Of course in reality you'd have tags, triple threats etc too. Then you have Tjpw and other guests too. With others stepping up to join this group over time and new signings. Regardless of my mathematical skills the point is there's no reason to hold back now, there's enough good women signed, just let them fight. Yeah, I also know it's subjective which wrestlers constitute the upper tier of the division and how else one might go about dividing them. Like, I think you can break them down into "best overall workers" (Riho, Nyla, Athena, Shida, Hayter, Storm), "good workers who do better when they've got a set feud to work with" (Rosa, Baker, maybe Ruby?), "strong midcard with the ability to move up as needed" (Deeb, Tay, I think Statlander might've been graduating from here before her injury), and then those who are still growing/developing/etc. I do think it's enough to cycle through decently, but I also get that there's always going to be issues (injuries, time away, hell even Riho's current visa troubles) and that sometimes there's going to be people you want to feature more often heading into a big card or whatever. Still, yeah, I think there's decent enough numbers now to experiment more.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 4, 2022 9:37:24 GMT -5
From interview with Meltz. Rampage will be live all October and November and may continue in 2023
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 4, 2022 9:39:39 GMT -5
From interview with Meltz. Rampage will be live all October and November and may continue in 2023 That's a great call. There's just something about a taped show were even if it looks good/great on paper if I've saw the spoilers there's a 95% chance I'll end up skipping it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 4, 2022 9:55:28 GMT -5
He also confirmed that Rampage Grand Slam will be two hours again.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2022 12:00:04 GMT -5
I have some pretty serious doubts about weekly live Rampages ending up being much more than a money pit since live vs. taped doesn't seem to actually affect the rating much but hey, hope it works out.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 12:41:04 GMT -5
I have some pretty serious doubts about weekly live Rampages ending up being much more than a money pit since live vs. taped doesn't seem to actually affect the rating much but hey, hope it works out. It all depends on the gates they draw, and Rampage sometimes outdraws Dynamite If they take this opportunity to run Rampages in some towns and arenas that are still craving AEW, it'll be a good move. A lot of places still want them, and you can realistically split this roster up enough that not a lot of people are doing extra travel days Also means more DARK's will be in front of bigger crowds instead of Universal, though I do like Universal's aesthetic.
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Post by Fade on Sept 4, 2022 12:50:21 GMT -5
He also confirmed that Rampage Grand Slam will be two hours again. I wonder if he’s cooking eventually making rampage 2 hours now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 4, 2022 13:00:54 GMT -5
Getting Rampage to 1.5 hours or 2 hours long could help things out. Avoiding all those preemptions somehow would be good too.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 13:23:43 GMT -5
He also confirmed that Rampage Grand Slam will be two hours again. I wonder if he’s cooking eventually making rampage 2 hours now. 10-Midnight for EST live might be a bit brutal. However I think they might not have a choice soon, they just have a huge roster and that fourth hour of TV a week might be the make or break point for some of them to get time.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 4, 2022 15:47:11 GMT -5
Khan saying that his women's champion doesn't draw is stupid
Who made her champion, Tone?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 16:37:41 GMT -5
Khan saying that his women's champion doesn't draw is stupid Who made her champion, Tone? That's not what he was trying to imply, he was trying to imply almost no one in the world draws like Punk, nor would they be given that kind of circumstance Even when Kenny Omega was written off with injuries, he did it in a backstage pre-tape, and then poof, gone for months. He worded it badly, but he wasn't trying to imply his women's champion wouldn't draw, but also giving Thunder Rosa 8 minutes for a promo is not Thunder Rosa's strength and it's not booking to her strengths.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 17:28:54 GMT -5
I have some pretty serious doubts about weekly live Rampages ending up being much more than a money pit since live vs. taped doesn't seem to actually affect the rating much but hey, hope it works out. Also, a Rampage episode is usually one hour, so we're going to be seeing two hours of Dark/Elevation tapings in between to keep people in the audience.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2022 17:31:46 GMT -5
Khan saying that his women's champion doesn't draw is stupid Who made her champion, Tone? That's not what he was trying to imply, he was trying to imply almost no one in the world draws like Punk, nor would they be given that kind of circumstance Even when Kenny Omega was written off with injuries, he did it in a backstage pre-tape, and then poof, gone for months. He worded it badly, but he wasn't trying to imply his women's champion wouldn't draw, but also giving Thunder Rosa 8 minutes for a promo is not Thunder Rosa's strength and it's not booking to her strengths. He literally SAID she wouldn't draw. Tony Khan does not give a flying f*** about women's wrestling and he's never going to.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 17:43:01 GMT -5
That's not what he was trying to imply, he was trying to imply almost no one in the world draws like Punk, nor would they be given that kind of circumstance Even when Kenny Omega was written off with injuries, he did it in a backstage pre-tape, and then poof, gone for months. He worded it badly, but he wasn't trying to imply his women's champion wouldn't draw, but also giving Thunder Rosa 8 minutes for a promo is not Thunder Rosa's strength and it's not booking to her strengths. He literally SAID she wouldn't draw. Tony Khan does not give a flying f*** about women's wrestling and he's never going to. She would not draw in an 8 minute live promo compared to CM Punk That's objectively correct because almost no one can hold a crowd that long like CM Punk can He never said or meant to imply that Thunder Rosa is not a draw in any facet or she wouldn't be champion at all, it was just a badly worded statement If he didn't care about Women's wrestling he actively wouldn't be looking for ways to make people care about the division, hence the reset coming, hiring Madison, and the potential standalone women's show itself. But doing shit like giving Thunder Rosa long live promos isn't going to do it, especially when people shit on Rosa every time she's cut a long promo or segment in the past. Again, he shouldn't have said it like he did, but it does not imply to me that Khan doesn't care or thinks Thunder Rosa doesn't draw. In THAT situation? Almost no one, man or woman, is drawing above Punk objectively.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 6, 2022 16:15:14 GMT -5
SO I GUESS A RESET OF SOME KIND IS COMING WHETHER KHAN WANTED IT THAT WAY OR NOT, HUH?
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