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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 2, 2022 6:39:48 GMT -5
I might be lonely in this opinion, but while I definitely felt the underwhelming vibe that everyone talks about with it (and can see especially how the Archer and Cole feuds felt that way), I think Hangman's title reign was a lot better than most for the "then what?" problem. He reached the top of the mountain, and he beat back the best technical wrestler, one of the better big men in the promotion, and a charisma machine who had been a face of NXT. So he at least demonstrated his dominance in multiple categories and repelled a different kind of challenger each time. On paper, that's way better than most face champions get when the chase is over. Just, well, those Archer and Cole feuds were not well done. People undervalue Hangman's reign because the Cole feud started clunky and it wet on the same time as MJF/Punk. For a first time world champ it was fine. He was given the chance eto prove he was an ace wrestler. And legit his segments all drew very well. The thing with AEW, and it's happened quite often for other Champs in the company, is when you first win the title the reign then becomes about ring work and showing you're the best over stories. Happened with Lucha Bros, Jurassic Express, Shida, Britt, Sammy, and Darby. Like I say this for both Hangman and Jurassic Express, when you go back and look at their title reigns you kind of forget that they were having bangers in almost all of their title defenses. I'm with you. Hangman's reign was better than people give it credit for.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 6:46:02 GMT -5
Also not to derail the thread more than it already has but Vince and Hunter both constantly buried people on tv and played it off as jokes. Two wrongs don't make make a right but let's not act like Tony putting his foot kn his mouth (admittedly a problem he does have) is unique just to him.
Now back to thr topic of the thread with the reset if Rampage. It does kind of feel like they started to go back tk making Hook a feature on Rampage which is good and they're doing with Swerve and Lee what they did early with Jurassic Express and making the tag titles a big part of Rampage... also seems like Claudio is being what Punk and Cole were initially and being used as a Rampage guy as well
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 6:54:40 GMT -5
Also not to derail the thread more than it already has but Vince and Hunter both constantly buried people on tv and played it off as jokes. Two wrongs don't make make a right but let's not act like Tony putting his foot kn his mouth (admittedly a problem he does have) is unique just to him. Now back to thr topic of the thread with the reset if Rampage. It does kind of feel like they started to go back tk making Hook a feature on Rampage which is good and they're doing with Swerve and Lee what they did early with Jurassic Express and making the tag titles a big part of Rampage... also seems like Claudio is being what Punk and Cole were initially and being used as a Rampage guy as well Definitely not its just that TK has done this at a really fast rate for a young company and he's shot his mouth off in his other endeavors too. I think someone mentioned your points earlier.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 2, 2022 7:05:27 GMT -5
Also not to derail the thread more than it already has but Vince and Hunter both constantly buried people on tv and played it off as jokes. Two wrongs don't make make a right but let's not act like Tony putting his foot kn his mouth (admittedly a problem he does have) is unique just to him. Nobody's doing or saying that, though? We want Tony to be better than Vince, that's the point
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 2, 2022 7:09:08 GMT -5
Away from the women's division the tnt title needs to get back to having more regular defences too. Some of them on rampage.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 7:45:34 GMT -5
Also not to derail the thread more than it already has but Vince and Hunter both constantly buried people on tv and played it off as jokes. Two wrongs don't make make a right but let's not act like Tony putting his foot kn his mouth (admittedly a problem he does have) is unique just to him. Nobody's doing or saying that, though? We want Tony to be better than Vince, that's the point There are a couple posts a few pages back that were and there are several high profile content creators online that are as well but they arent oart of the discussion. Nothing big and I agree with the general sentiment that Tony needs to not put his foot in his mouth
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Post by markymark on Sept 2, 2022 8:02:19 GMT -5
Away from the women's division the tnt title needs to get back to having more regular defences too. Some of them on rampage.
Pinnacle should wrap up the feud with Lethal at All Out, and also one thing that hasnt been discussed in the thread when it comes to hitting the reset button is that hopefully TK no longer puts storylines in hold due to injuries or drags storylines for no reason specially now with WWE having a lot of momentum despite AEW slowly regaining theirs in the last 2 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 8:13:46 GMT -5
Hangman's run was good in retrospect. It suffered from the champ not being the biggest star in the company (Punk), but he more than delivered as a fighting champ.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 8:20:54 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa semi addressed what TK said on Busted Open without saying his name. She didn't sound very happy and had to hold in her anger and tears. Basically saying to invest in women's wrestling is what I got from her statement.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 8:22:29 GMT -5
Away from the women's division the tnt title needs to get back to having more regular defences too. Some of them on rampage. Pinnacle should wrap up the feud with Lethal at All Out, and also one thing that hasnt been discussed in the thread when it comes to hitting the reset button is that hopefully TK no longer puts storylines in hold due to injuries or drags storylines for no reason specially now with WWE having a lot of momentum despite AEW slowly regaining theirs in the last 2 weeks.
It's something I said in the summer and glad Tony admitted to it but the summer for so long felt like a holding pattern. Punk hurt Danielson hurt Kenny taking longer than expected to get back Cole hurt KOR hurt The entire Jeff Hardy situation (which resulted in the entire tag division being rewritten) Scorpio hurt Jungle Boy hurt (though turned out to not be as serious as initially thought) Red Velvet hurt (not a big one but did take away from what they were doing with Jade) Rosa battling injuries Statlander hurt OC hurt early MJF situation Malakai hurt Buddy hurt then going to Australia. Even with the talent AEW has that's a lot of talent that was involved in active storylines
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Post by markymark on Sept 2, 2022 9:56:54 GMT -5
The issue is not whether Tony is "right" or not. It's shoddy leadership to be insulting a member of your roster publicly. One that you chose to make the champion of a division to boot. This. As the promoter, you need to promote your team, all of them, even if you've soured on them and want to put them back in your toy box for the next shiny one. Tony is not very good at this, and worse, he never seems to learn and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over.
We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
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Post by Facetious on Sept 2, 2022 10:07:10 GMT -5
This. As the promoter, you need to promote your team, all of them, even if you've soured on them and want to put them back in your toy box for the next shiny one. Tony is not very good at this, and worse, he never seems to learn and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over. We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
Man said that with hurt feelings lmao. But in all honesty, if pot shots keep both products from slumping, let shots fire. Main stream American wrestling was limp dick for far too long, having genuine competition and desire to have the best talent and shows benefits us the fans.
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Post by sportatorium on Sept 2, 2022 11:52:54 GMT -5
Hoping that All Out is a bit of a reset for them. The babyface booking is a real thing and has been for years. Babyfaces should at their core do the things they say they are going to do and believe that they will always prevail in a fair fight. Moxley is actually getting that booking right now. People will pay to see Moxley defend the title because he's telling you that he's going to beat his opponent half to death within the constructs of pro wrestling. When he speaks, every word he says is believable.
Moxley was probably assisted by the interim championship despite most people's disdain for it. He didn't have a long babyface chase. He won a single match to get it and immediately began carrying himself as champion. It wasn't the "ok the face has the belt, but now we don't have a story anymore" that has happened to countless wrestlers in many companies over the years.
Something that I don't think AEW does regularly is looking at their wrestlers in various divisions and figuring out who the top faces and heels are in both.
With a returning Kenny Omega- is he full time in the Trio with the Young Bucks? Is he back in the mix for the AEW title? Is he going complete babyface? If he is, why does he still have Don Callis? I think AEW/Tony Khan just book it as "Kenny Omega is back, everything will pop". This is true at first, but a direction and structure is needed for him and everyone on the roster.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 12:35:06 GMT -5
This. As the promoter, you need to promote your team, all of them, even if you've soured on them and want to put them back in your toy box for the next shiny one. Tony is not very good at this, and worse, he never seems to learn and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over. We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
I knew his Papa H mask would slip off and old asshole Hunter would return.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 12:39:31 GMT -5
We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
I knew his Papa H mask would slip off and old asshole Hunter would return. Did you forget about NXT's magical cleaning supplies that immediately destroyed covid back in 2020?
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Post by Fade on Sept 2, 2022 12:51:24 GMT -5
We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
Man said that with hurt feelings lmao. Lmao, absolutely. As for all the Tony thing..man, I don’t agree with Easy E a lot but in listening to some clip yesterday on 83 weeks, I absolutely agree the less we hear from Tony, the better. For AEW. They need to find a spokesman who..is not Tony.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 12:55:44 GMT -5
This was what HHH was doing on the inside when he was asked about that:
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 13:04:35 GMT -5
I knew his Papa H mask would slip off and old asshole Hunter would return. Did you forget about NXT's magical cleaning supplies that immediately destroyed covid back in 2020? To be fair nobody handled that correctly, only IMPACT wrestling really did their best
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 2, 2022 13:09:01 GMT -5
This. As the promoter, you need to promote your team, all of them, even if you've soured on them and want to put them back in your toy box for the next shiny one. Tony is not very good at this, and worse, he never seems to learn and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over. We can say the same for HHH
And if we add the Impact thing with Frost, not a good week for the heads of creative
<insert numerous interviews where Triple H said NXT was a third brand and not developmental> <insert footage of NXT beating both RAW and Smackdown at Survivor Series> Carnies are always going to carny.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 2, 2022 13:12:44 GMT -5
Did you forget about NXT's magical cleaning supplies that immediately destroyed covid back in 2020? To be fair nobody handled that correctly, only IMPACT wrestling really did their best Impact wasn't even testing people appearantly. Though they and AEW did a hell of a better job than the WWE Performance Center, which was a perennial superspreader. I think it's telling about the kind of sloppy shop over there specifically when the Raw and Smackdown rosters moved to the Thunderdome, that they were generally fine while the PC continued to be Outbreak Central.
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