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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 1, 2022 12:42:16 GMT -5
At the All Out Pre-Show Press Conference, Tony was asked about the recent Rampage ratings and said this (quote/summary comes from the WON/F4W Twitter):
Asked about Rampage ratings, Khan said they had to put his biggest stars and angles on Dynamite due to all the injuries. Wasn't able to offer big matches on Rampage because of that. He's excited & wants to reset. Again talks about roster strength after this weekend.
Khan said he is going to put his full attention on improving Rampage now that the roster is nearing full strength. Stars and big matches are coming back to the show.
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2022 12:45:29 GMT -5
Just let Kenny run the division again...
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 1, 2022 13:09:34 GMT -5
Just let Kenny run the division again...
Because he was doing so well at what previous point? There are a lot of ways this PPV could be a turning point, for sure. New champions, especially new face champions in a division that's been entirely defined by its heels, would do a lot, and breaking up Britt and Jamie right now would add a solid non-title feud. If Kenny's presence actually means more joshi on TV, or it there's an influx of TJPW guests coming, those could also be big tools for a reset. But, well, it feels like there have been multiple points where such a reset felt possible or imminent. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:14:57 GMT -5
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Post by Facetious on Sept 1, 2022 13:20:17 GMT -5
Just let Kenny run the division again...
Because he was doing so well at what previous point? There are a lot of ways this PPV could be a turning point, for sure. New champions, especially new face champions in a division that's been entirely defined by its heels, would do a lot, and breaking up Britt and Jamie right now would add a solid non-title feud. If Kenny's presence actually means more joshi on TV, or it there's an influx of TJPW guests coming, those could also be big tools for a reset. But, well, it feels like there have been multiple points where such a reset felt possible or imminent. I'll believe it when I see it. Not that early Dynamite was great at featuring women, the Joshi features were great. I'd honestly like to see more of an influx of joshi talent featured for the main title and the lesser experienced US talent going for the TBS.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:26:29 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:27:21 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2022 13:28:01 GMT -5
Tony Khan says Forbidden Door was going to be Punk & FTR vs. Ospreay and Aussie Open. He had to rewire the card heavily due to injuries. Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I think he should've let Rosa announce her injury and hiatus in the ring, but she isn't even a third of the talker Punk is. Last few times she had longer promo segments bombed and exposed her weakness at that element. Short and sweet works best for her in terms of promo time.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:29:02 GMT -5
He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it. Sure. But it's also fair to point out that the playing field is less than even as the women's division has been largely booked like crap. That's not to suggest that Rosa would ever outdraw Punk, it's just a bad look given the criticisms of the division that have been brought up ad nauseum for quite a while
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 13:30:29 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. He didn’t have to bring up “draws” at all. That just makes your champion sound like crap even if you don’t intend it. He could have said any number of other things without crapping on Rosa. Also he still doesn’t seem to get that the promo thing is a symptom of far deeper complaints with how he books the women overall. And who said it needed to be 8 minutes? People’s complaint is that their women’s champion announced her injury and going away in a half-assed backstage thing that felt thrown together Why not let her stay it in the ring in front of fans, but make it 2-3 minutes maybe?
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:31:05 GMT -5
I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it. Sure. But it's also fair to point out that the playing field is less than even as the women's division has been largely booked like crap. They tried several times to let Rosa carry it on the mic and everytime she f***in died.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 1, 2022 13:31:24 GMT -5
I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it. Sure. But it's also fair to point out that the playing field is less than even as the women's division has been largely booked like crap. Sure, but Thunder Rosa's inability to carry an 8-minute promo is entirely separate from the women's division booking. That's not her strength. They need to do more with the division, I agree, but I thought the criticism about Punk's promo vs. Rosa's promo was a stretch. There are plenty of other ways to make the point. Did he need to say it? Probably not. But I don't think the dude's wrong.
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 13:32:13 GMT -5
He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it. I mean even if he is right about the Rosa promo stuff, you just don't say that stuff publicly. Like...ever. It makes you look like an absolute asshole (and that's being super generous), and is just incredibly bad PR. This is the kind of garbage that can turn away potential women prospects for AEW, and jeopardize potential partnerships (he's talked about how he wants a STARDOM partnership but after that remark, they would be wise to keep far away from AEW). He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. He didn’t have to bring up “draws” at all. That just makes your champion sound like crap even if you don’t intend it. He could have said any number of other things without crapping on Rosa. Also he still doesn’t seem to get that the promo thing is a symptom of far deeper complaints with how he books the women overall. And who said it needed to be 8 minutes? People’s complaint is that their women’s champion announced her injury and going away in a half-assed backstage thing that felt thrown together Why not let her stay it in the ring in front of fans, but make it 2-3 minutes maybe? Yup, and to add onto this, Tony could easily find more time for the women in general to actually get over. Like do we really need a Wingmen or Gunn Club segment almost every week?
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 13:33:05 GMT -5
Sure. But it's also fair to point out that the playing field is less than even as the women's division has been largely booked like crap. Sure, but Thunder Rosa's inability to carry an 8-minute promo is entirely separate from the women's division booking. That's not her strength. They need to do more with the division, I agree, but I thought the criticism about Punk's promo vs. Rosa's promo was a stretch. There are plenty of other ways to make the point. He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:33:29 GMT -5
Sure. But it's also fair to point out that the playing field is less than even as the women's division has been largely booked like crap. They tried several times to let Rosa carry it on the mic and everytime she f***in died. Oh, she's not great. But answering by essentially saying that 'our women's champion is less than our men's champion' is just something you don't actually *say*, hence my publicist comment
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 1, 2022 13:34:03 GMT -5
Sure, but Thunder Rosa's inability to carry an 8-minute promo is entirely separate from the women's division booking. That's not her strength. They need to do more with the division, I agree, but I thought the criticism about Punk's promo vs. Rosa's promo was a stretch. There are plenty of other ways to make the point. He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade. Sure. I'm totally on the Tony needs to do more with the division train, but I think the whole Punk vs. Rosa time debate started as a result of a tweet from a bad faith troll anyways.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:34:39 GMT -5
Sure, but Thunder Rosa's inability to carry an 8-minute promo is entirely separate from the women's division booking. That's not her strength. They need to do more with the division, I agree, but I thought the criticism about Punk's promo vs. Rosa's promo was a stretch. There are plenty of other ways to make the point. He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade. Britt literally never goes away because they don't trust any of the other women to carry the mic work of a feud.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 1, 2022 13:34:48 GMT -5
Rosa could have done the exact same promo from the top of the stage and it would have been better than a backstage bit. Just getting an entrance and a visible reaction from the crowd would have made her injury announcement seem a bigger deal.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Sept 1, 2022 13:34:49 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud. Tony answers those questions like a fan instead of a Business man & that's where he f***s up big time
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 1, 2022 13:35:19 GMT -5
They tried several times to let Rosa carry it on the mic and everytime she f***in died. Oh, she's not great. But answering by essentially saying that 'our women's champion is less than our men's champion' is just something you don't actually *say*, hence my publicist comment Yeah. I'm actually a publicist so I think I can speak from a position of authority - if he HAD to answer it, I'd hope he was talking about playing to the strengths of his performers. If we were going through an FAQ prior to the scrum, though, I think that's one where I'd advise him to just say it was a critique from a bad faith troll and leave it at that.
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