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Post by chrom on Sept 1, 2022 13:56:36 GMT -5
I say this as a fan of Rosa but I do think people overlook some of her less than ideal qualities just because they are/were sick of Britt Yeah honestly with a lot of the shit Rosa has pulled in this title reign I'd be ok if she f***ed off to Dark for the rest of her contract because as much as people shit on Britt, she's not actively trying to downplay the division with shit she is pulling.... Have you not listened to her whenever she opens her yap the past two years?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 1, 2022 13:57:05 GMT -5
Sometimes things can be true but also not smart to say out loud if you're the billionaire boss, like implying the person you chose to put your women's world title on can't carry a promo or that someone you just fired is a shitty wrestler.
About 80% of AEW controversies could be avoided if TK just didn't speak publicly so much. He's always tweeting or doing an interview or a media call and some weirdness happens like this, bot-gate or when he cut off that female reporter talking about the NWA PPV a few months ago.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 13:57:46 GMT -5
I say this as a fan of Rosa but I do think people overlook some of her less than ideal qualities just because they are/were sick of Britt Yeah honestly with a lot of the shit Rosa has pulled in this title reign I'd be ok if she f***ed off to Dark for the rest of her contract because as much as people shit on Britt, she's not actively trying to downplay the division with shit she is pulling.... Also I think it's worth mentioning that recently Britt has been taking pins. In tag matches sure but she is starting to give shine to other performers
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 13:59:47 GMT -5
Yeah honestly with a lot of the shit Rosa has pulled in this title reign I'd be ok if she f***ed off to Dark for the rest of her contract because as much as people shit on Britt, she's not actively trying to downplay the division with shit she is pulling.... Have you not listened to her whenever she opens her yap the past two years? I think he's talking about in ring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 14:00:19 GMT -5
I generally like Tony, but he's the same guy who also shit on Big Swole's wrestling ability on Twitter.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 14:00:50 GMT -5
This is deeper than Rosa, though.
The company still has to at least attempt to treat the women's roster like it IS equal to the men's side. When the general consensus is AEW's women's division is a hot mess and needs to be elevated and you respond with comments that Tony did today, it's terrible optics and atrocious PR
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2022 14:02:31 GMT -5
I generally like Tony, but he's the same guy who also shit on Big Swole's wrestling ability on Twitter. It was poor form to do that, especially when he did it purely in reaction to something she said that was taken out of context. That said, I saw a couple of matches she had post-AEW and he wasn't exactly wrong either.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 14:03:38 GMT -5
This is deeper than Rosa, though. The company still has to at least attempt to treat the women's roster like it IS equal to the men's side. When the general consensus is AEW's women's division is a hot mess and needs to be elevated and you respond with comments that Tony did today, it's terrible optics and atrocious PR I'm gonna be honest, I think their mens roster is extremely good, it's a better roster than WWE's roster..their womens roster however is not that good. I'd argue that WWEs 5th or 6th best female talent would probably be #1 in AEW..they have a lot of work to do in all ends as far as that goes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 14:09:15 GMT -5
If we're talking about name recognition and all that shit, then yeah. But AEW's women's division is loaded with excellent talent.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 1, 2022 14:09:51 GMT -5
What would get Tony to change his mind about the women's division unfortunately is an Ace.
Shida wanted to be that, isn't.
Britt thinks she is that, isn't.
Rosa wants to be that, isn't.
They don't have one right now, and with this booking, it'll be hard to make one. This is why a lot of people had hope that Sasha Banks would be it... Then the dominoes fell on Vince.
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2022 14:11:53 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Tay, Anna, Statlander, and Athena have very much been misused. And even if they weren’t you still have this problem that their uses is so randomly stop/start that it’s next to impossible to build any true momentum for very long. I do agree and stated that the inconsistent use is a big issue. Tay... let me rephrase, I think she was very well used and featured before they decided to put her and Sammy together on screen since turning heel? Yeah been a dud and she does need a hard reset. The others? Biggest issue is just not getting consistent time on Dynamite or Rampage which again is a HUGE issue that I'm not ignoring but I don't think any of them were treated poorly. I think Ruby got Goto'd to the point its hard to defend. Like. Yeah I got nothing to say. She's over but she'd need a serious rehab. I think Nyla has long needed a rehab too because she just isn't over or at least not over to the level where she can help bring credibility to someone they want to push. She had programs with Britt, Rosa, ThunderStorm, and Ruby since she lost the belt to Shida. The other women on the roster that maybe you can say are misused are Penelope and the Bunny who have both been out... and Bunny is someone whose so good character wise she can recover. Maybe we are just on different pages in what we are talking about but again I do agree that consistent use is a big problem.
Tay said she was having mental issues after her relationship with Sammy was brought up on screen which can explain why she has barely wrestled until recently.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 14:13:31 GMT -5
If we're talking about name recognition and all that shit, then yeah. But AEW's women's division is loaded with excellent talent. They don't have an ace performer though.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 1, 2022 14:15:22 GMT -5
So which is it? 'We didn't have time to flesh out something better' or 'the criticism is wrong because Punk > Rosa' Both I think. No time to rework the script to make the Rosa promo longer because it was kind of a shock to everyone And an 8 minute long Thunder Rosa promo akin to CM Punk would have been a disaster that didn't do her any favors imo I think the injury announcement would have been presented better given more time. But I do agree with the notion that Rosa speaking in short bursts just works better.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 14:15:29 GMT -5
This is deeper than Rosa, though. The company still has to at least attempt to treat the women's roster like it IS equal to the men's side. When the general consensus is AEW's women's division is a hot mess and needs to be elevated and you respond with comments that Tony did today, it's terrible optics and atrocious PR I'm gonna be honest, I think their mens roster is extremely good, it's a better roster than WWE's roster..their womens roster however is not that good. I'd argue that WWEs 5th or 6th best female talent would probably be #1 in AEW..they have a lot of work to do in all ends as far as that goes. The AEW women's division is weird to me. They seemed to have a good plan at first but a lot of things out of their control derailed it. The pandemic obviously but before that they had joshis they hyped as being a big part of the division unable to show due to other commitments, and the same happened with people like Priestley (though her injuring Britt also cost her) and Sadie Gibbs. You had Kylie Rae leave due to mental health, and then Britt,Nyla, and Penelope were not ready for their initial spots and Allie/Bunny isn't the worker to carry a division. Now let me also say this, they cannot use that as a crutch anymore but I was using that to show the division has been cursed in some ways. I think the biggest issue is that they do have a lot of young home grown talent that have potential and from what I've seen are over with live crowds. They just aren't ready for featured spots. Which in a lot of ways is a self fulfilling prophecy because you need to get them time... and for whatever reason a lot of the talent that is TV ready Tony doesn't seem interested in pushing. I do think there is continued growth though from what I've seen on Dark and Elevation which should be encouraging but they got a LONG way to go which is understandably frustrating. And of course it sounds like thr division has been handed over to Madison Rayne and Ari Davairi after previously being with Dustin so it's another reboot which can be deflating
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2022 14:15:50 GMT -5
I generally like Tony, but he's the same guy who also shit on Big Swole's wrestling ability on Twitter.
Swole was never a bully to extras like Rosa was besides refusing to put over Toni and seems to have developed the Hardcore Holly "I beat everyone" syndrome., Swoles case was different than Rosa.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 14:16:35 GMT -5
I do agree and stated that the inconsistent use is a big issue. Tay... let me rephrase, I think she was very well used and featured before they decided to put her and Sammy together on screen since turning heel? Yeah been a dud and she does need a hard reset. The others? Biggest issue is just not getting consistent time on Dynamite or Rampage which again is a HUGE issue that I'm not ignoring but I don't think any of them were treated poorly. I think Ruby got Goto'd to the point its hard to defend. Like. Yeah I got nothing to say. She's over but she'd need a serious rehab. I think Nyla has long needed a rehab too because she just isn't over or at least not over to the level where she can help bring credibility to someone they want to push. She had programs with Britt, Rosa, ThunderStorm, and Ruby since she lost the belt to Shida. The other women on the roster that maybe you can say are misused are Penelope and the Bunny who have both been out... and Bunny is someone whose so good character wise she can recover. Maybe we are just on different pages in what we are talking about but again I do agree that consistent use is a big problem. Tay said she was having mental issues after her relationship with Sammy was brought up on screen which can explain why she has barely wrestled until recently.
Yeah she got attacked badly. Doesn't help that Sammy went from being insanely likable on his vlogs to looking and acting like the biggest tool.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 14:16:36 GMT -5
Please God no reboots
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Post by chrom on Sept 1, 2022 14:17:23 GMT -5
If we're talking about name recognition and all that shit, then yeah. But AEW's women's division is loaded with excellent talent. They don't have an ace performer though. Shida
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 14:17:47 GMT -5
I generally like Tony, but he's the same guy who also shit on Big Swole's wrestling ability on Twitter. Swole was never a bully to extras like Rosa was besides refusing to put over Toni and seems to have developed the Hardcore Holly "I beat everyone" syndrome., Swoles case was different than Rosa.
My whole thing is I don't think Tony should really be saying this shit in public.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 1, 2022 14:18:08 GMT -5
As much as this discussion has been about what TK said or shouldn't say, the notion that he views All Out as a reset for the women I hope is something he holds on to and actively looks to do
Whether it's more TV matches or launching that All Elite Women show, they just need more angles, and more women's angles/matches would also save more male talent matches for future bigger shows, while still putting on good quality that you have when you have the likes of Shida and Emi Sakura in the wings. \
I also hope they keep pushing Rampage, I wish they did Rampage live more, it draws well and I think it gets more viewers because there aren't spoilers, but happy to hear that as well
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