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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 13:37:04 GMT -5
Sure, but Thunder Rosa's inability to carry an 8-minute promo is entirely separate from the women's division booking. That's not her strength. They need to do more with the division, I agree, but I thought the criticism about Punk's promo vs. Rosa's promo was a stretch. There are plenty of other ways to make the point. He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade. Eh... I'd argue Rosa was heavily protected for most of her AEW run. The title reign was a bit of a mess for various reasons (some booking, some not) and I'd argue that they have done a good job with various women in AEW... when they decide they're going to use that person. The issue is aside from Britt, Jade, Rosa, and now Tony Storm the issue is consistency... which is an issue. I do not think Anna Jay,Hayter, Tay, Athena, Statlander, or Leyla especially have been used poorly when used... the issue again is there needs to be more consistency with Harter,. I'd argue the only women really used poorly are Ruby and maybe Nyla (though I just don't think Nyla is over despite them always using her as first defense for the title)
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 13:37:31 GMT -5
I mean in reality, he's right, just no one wants to hear it. I mean even if he is right about the Rosa promo stuff, you just don't say that stuff publicly. Like...ever. It makes you look like an absolute asshole (and that's being super generous), and is just incredibly bad PR. This is the kind of garbage that can turn away potential women prospects for AEW, and jeopardize potential partnerships (he's talked about how he wants a STARDOM partnership but after that remark, they would be wise to keep far away from AEW). He didn’t have to bring up “draws” at all. That just makes your champion sound like crap even if you don’t intend it. He could have said any number of other things without crapping on Rosa. Also he still doesn’t seem to get that the promo thing is a symptom of far deeper complaints with how he books the women overall. And who said it needed to be 8 minutes? People’s complaint is that their women’s champion announced her injury and going away in a half-assed backstage thing that felt thrown together Why not let her stay it in the ring in front of fans, but make it 2-3 minutes maybe? Yup, and to add onto this, Tony could easily find more time for the women in general to actually get over. Like do we really need a Wingmen or Gunn Club segment almost every week? They could have put any number of those really cool women’s matches from Dark and Elevation on TV instead.
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Post by Killah Ray on Sept 1, 2022 13:37:36 GMT -5
TK does public statements like he is still an anonymous name on a message board....
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2022 13:37:44 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:38:36 GMT -5
He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade. Britt literally never goes away because they don't trust any of the other women to carry the mic work of a feud. They also give her more mic time than the rest combined and said mic time is spent telling fans that they all suck. It's a viscous cycle
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 13:39:22 GMT -5
He doesn’t book to her strengths either. He seems incapable of doing that with the women outside of maybe Britt and Jade. Eh... I'd argue Rosa was heavily protected for most of her AEW run. The title reign was a bit of a mess for various reasons (some booking, some not) and I'd argue that they have done a good job with various women in AEW... when they decide they're going to use that person. The issue is aside from Britt, Jade, Rosa, and now Tony Storm the issue is consistency... which is an issue. I do not think Anna Jay,Hayter, Tay, Athena, Statlander, or Leyla especially have been used poorly when used... the issue again is there needs to be more consistency with Harter,. I'd argue the only women really used poorly are Ruby and maybe Nyla (though I just don't think Nyla is over despite them always using her as first defense for the title) I disagree. I think Tay, Anna, Statlander, and Athena have very much been misused. And even if they weren’t you still have this problem that their uses is so randomly stop/start that it’s next to impossible to build any true momentum for very long.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:43:26 GMT -5
He needs to hire a publicist or something. He keeps saying the quiet part loud.
So which is it? 'We didn't have time to flesh out something better' or 'the criticism is wrong because Punk > Rosa'
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:43:43 GMT -5
Britt literally never goes away because they don't trust any of the other women to carry the mic work of a feud. They also give her more mic time than the rest combined and said mic time is spent telling fans that they all suck. It's a viscous cycle And I'm sure they'd respond with we gave so and so mic time and look what happened...the Rosa Deeb promo literally killed the crowd.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:43:54 GMT -5
Eh... I'd argue Rosa was heavily protected for most of her AEW run. The title reign was a bit of a mess for various reasons (some booking, some not) and I'd argue that they have done a good job with various women in AEW... when they decide they're going to use that person. The issue is aside from Britt, Jade, Rosa, and now Tony Storm the issue is consistency... which is an issue. I do not think Anna Jay,Hayter, Tay, Athena, Statlander, or Leyla especially have been used poorly when used... the issue again is there needs to be more consistency with Harter,. I'd argue the only women really used poorly are Ruby and maybe Nyla (though I just don't think Nyla is over despite them always using her as first defense for the title) I disagree. I think Tay, Anna, Statlander, and Athena have very much been misused. And even if they weren’t you still have this problem that their uses is so randomly stop/start that it’s next to impossible to build any true momentum for very long. *cough* and Ruby
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Sept 1, 2022 13:44:25 GMT -5
TK’s gonna keep intimating women can’t draw and it’s gonna eventually cause some key pieces of that division and other women in other companies to go “yeah nah I’m good on Jacksonville”.
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2022 13:46:30 GMT -5
TK’s gonna keep intimating women can’t draw and it’s gonna eventually cause some key pieces of that division and other women in other companies to go “yeah nah I’m good on Jacksonville”. I dont know about Impact with the Lady Frost stuff they are dealing with.
Alvarez said he heard rumors of Rosa not wanting to drop the title to Toni Storm ...
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 1, 2022 13:47:23 GMT -5
They also give her more mic time than the rest combined and said mic time is spent telling fans that they all suck. It's a viscous cycle And I'm sure they'd respond with we gave so and so mic time and look what happened...the Rosa Deeb promo literally killed the crowd. You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:48:02 GMT -5
TK’s gonna keep intimating women can’t draw and it’s gonna eventually cause some key pieces of that division and other women in other companies to go “yeah nah I’m good on Jacksonville”. It's a catch 22, they don't have an all around performer they can trust to do everything. The good workers don't have the mic skills to carry a feud the Mic workers are passable at best in the ring or/and are completely overexposed at times. Their womens division is basically a bunch of mid to uppercard level talents with no ace. If you need the division to be more than "we have good matches" it's not a crop of talent that is easy to work with.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2022 13:49:19 GMT -5
And I'm sure they'd respond with we gave so and so mic time and look what happened...the Rosa Deeb promo literally killed the crowd. You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over And Rosa's gotten those chances and mostly shit the bed. Promos have never been her strength.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 13:49:51 GMT -5
TK’s gonna keep intimating women can’t draw and it’s gonna eventually cause some key pieces of that division and other women in other companies to go “yeah nah I’m good on Jacksonville”. I dont know about Impact with the Lady Frost stuff they are dealing with. Alvarez said he heard rumors of Rosa not wanting to drop the title to Toni Storm ...
I say this as a fan of Rosa but I do think people overlook some of her less than ideal qualities just because they are/were sick of Britt
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 13:50:22 GMT -5
You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over And Rosa's gotten those chances and mostly shit the bed. Promos have never been her strength. Rosa is a good worker but her promo stuff is bad enough it's hard for her to ever be more than just a transition champ. Where the issue lies is they don't have the performer that can do both.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Sept 1, 2022 13:52:31 GMT -5
And I'm sure they'd respond with we gave so and so mic time and look what happened...the Rosa Deeb promo literally killed the crowd. You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over Ruby for example is someone I feel is just as good on the mic as Britt * they've barely done shit with her IMO
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Post by Killah Ray on Sept 1, 2022 13:53:21 GMT -5
I dont know about Impact with the Lady Frost stuff they are dealing with. Alvarez said he heard rumors of Rosa not wanting to drop the title to Toni Storm ...
I say this as a fan of Rosa but I do think people overlook some of her less than ideal qualities just because they are/were sick of Britt Yeah honestly with a lot of the shit Rosa has pulled in this title reign I'd be ok if she f***ed off to Dark for the rest of her contract because as much as people shit on Britt, she's not actively trying to downplay the division with shit she is pulling....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 13:56:17 GMT -5
Even with all the injuries, the roster was still deep enough to have better stuff on Rampage. This is no excuse.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 13:56:19 GMT -5
Eh... I'd argue Rosa was heavily protected for most of her AEW run. The title reign was a bit of a mess for various reasons (some booking, some not) and I'd argue that they have done a good job with various women in AEW... when they decide they're going to use that person. The issue is aside from Britt, Jade, Rosa, and now Tony Storm the issue is consistency... which is an issue. I do not think Anna Jay,Hayter, Tay, Athena, Statlander, or Leyla especially have been used poorly when used... the issue again is there needs to be more consistency with Harter,. I'd argue the only women really used poorly are Ruby and maybe Nyla (though I just don't think Nyla is over despite them always using her as first defense for the title) I disagree. I think Tay, Anna, Statlander, and Athena have very much been misused. And even if they weren’t you still have this problem that their uses is so randomly stop/start that it’s next to impossible to build any true momentum for very long. I do agree and stated that the inconsistent use is a big issue. Tay... let me rephrase, I think she was very well used and featured before they decided to put her and Sammy together on screen since turning heel? Yeah been a dud and she does need a hard reset. The others? Biggest issue is just not getting consistent time on Dynamite or Rampage which again is a HUGE issue that I'm not ignoring but I don't think any of them were treated poorly. I think Ruby got Goto'd to the point its hard to defend. Like. Yeah I got nothing to say. She's over but she'd need a serious rehab. I think Nyla has long needed a rehab too because she just isn't over or at least not over to the level where she can help bring credibility to someone they want to push. She had programs with Britt, Rosa, ThunderStorm, and Ruby since she lost the belt to Shida. The other women on the roster that maybe you can say are misused are Penelope and the Bunny who have both been out... and Bunny is someone whose so good character wise she can recover. Maybe we are just on different pages in what we are talking about but again I do agree that consistent use is a big problem.
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