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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 1, 2022 22:01:35 GMT -5
TK continues to f*** up when it comes to talking about women From my perspective, it is a bad indictment on your womens roster. Yes, you are going for ratings but it is a piss poor cop out to say well she won't draw for 8 mins. She does't need 8, she only needs 2. Raw emotion like she had in the back would been felt on stage and received much better. You don't have to be a mic virtuoso to say you are injured and ready to rip heads off when you come back Also I saw someone mention about the women not having an Ace. They do it can be Shida. You don't have to be good on the mic to be the Ace. Asuka and Io were HHH Aces and he presented them in a way larger than life that fed into the feuds that all they had to do was say 3 words and the crowd would pop. Same can be done for a few in AEW especially Shida But yeah, TK needs to really start saying no comment on some of the shit with women. You don't say the quiet part out loud and that's going rub people in the back the wrong way especially your womens champ who is taking a hiatus from social media for her own mental
The moment she left the women matches are magically drawing again, last nights women tag match was just a rematch of the previous one with just having Shida replacing Rosa.
Rosa was already toxic backstage given the recent stuff, if he was like Vince he couldve fired her right away but for some reason she still wants to give her 1 final chance because idk if HHH would be interested in someone with a toxic attitude(thats why Tessa never went back to WWE)
Supposedly TK said he will hit the reset button at the PPV, and well we will have to wait and see depending who will be the Women and TBS champs.
But I wouldn't put that fully on her that's a bit unfair Yes, she has done herself no favors in the back but got to wait and see how things play out. Tho it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. From the moment she won the title she wasn't marked as important so she could be damaged good in the eyes of the fans but we will see how things is looking with these reset TK is talking about
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 1, 2022 22:12:37 GMT -5
The moment she left the women matches are magically drawing again, last nights women tag match was just a rematch of the previous one with just having Shida replacing Rosa. Rosa was already toxic backstage given the recent stuff, if he was like Vince he couldve fired her right away but for some reason she still wants to give her 1 final chance because idk if HHH would be interested in someone with a toxic attitude(thats why Tessa never went back to WWE)
Supposedly TK said he will hit the reset button at the PPV, and well we will have to wait and see depending who will be the Women and TBS champs.
But I wouldn't put that fully on her that's a bit unfair Yes, she has done herself no favors in the back but got to wait and see how things play out. Tho it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. From the moment she won the title she wasn't marked as important so she could be damaged good in the eyes of the fans but we will see how things is looking with these reset TK is talking about The way I see it: Rosa was hit on multiple fronts by Britt's reign going too long, Rosa getting freaking nothing to do for most of that time, Rosa getting short and bad segments off the bat, and finally, Rosa getting very weak angles. Add in Jade getting stronger segments while holding the other title, and the only thing Rosa could have had to stand out was match quality, which just did not happen.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 1, 2022 22:21:21 GMT -5
But I wouldn't put that fully on her that's a bit unfair Yes, she has done herself no favors in the back but got to wait and see how things play out. Tho it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. From the moment she won the title she wasn't marked as important so she could be damaged good in the eyes of the fans but we will see how things is looking with these reset TK is talking about The way I see it: Rosa was hit on multiple fronts by Britt's reign going too long, Rosa getting freaking nothing to do for most of that time, Rosa getting short and bad segments off the bat, and finally, Rosa getting very weak angles. Add in Jade getting stronger segments while holding the other title, and the only thing Rosa could have had to stand out was match quality, which just did not happen. Hangman basically had the same issue TK knows how to do an excellent chase for a babyface even if it drags out a little long but he hasn't figured out how to carry that momentum as champion. Hangman had really good matches but nothing to really sink his teeth into as far as feuds go
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 22:50:52 GMT -5
The way I see it: Rosa was hit on multiple fronts by Britt's reign going too long, Rosa getting freaking nothing to do for most of that time, Rosa getting short and bad segments off the bat, and finally, Rosa getting very weak angles. Add in Jade getting stronger segments while holding the other title, and the only thing Rosa could have had to stand out was match quality, which just did not happen. Hangman basically had the same issue TK knows how to do an excellent chase for a babyface even if it drags out a little long but he hasn't figured out how to carry that momentum as champion. Hangman had really good matches but nothing to really sink his teeth into as far as feuds go This has always been an issue for 99% of people the chase is far better than the championship reign.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 23:17:33 GMT -5
The way I see it: Rosa was hit on multiple fronts by Britt's reign going too long, Rosa getting freaking nothing to do for most of that time, Rosa getting short and bad segments off the bat, and finally, Rosa getting very weak angles. Add in Jade getting stronger segments while holding the other title, and the only thing Rosa could have had to stand out was match quality, which just did not happen. Hangman basically had the same issue TK knows how to do an excellent chase for a babyface even if it drags out a little long but he hasn't figured out how to carry that momentum as champion. Hangman had really good matches but nothing to really sink his teeth into as far as feuds go That’s a problem with many wrestling promoters honestly. They don’t seem to get that the babyface winning the belt isn’t the end of the story. It’s simply the mid-point.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 1, 2022 23:35:47 GMT -5
I might be lonely in this opinion, but while I definitely felt the underwhelming vibe that everyone talks about with it (and can see especially how the Archer and Cole feuds felt that way), I think Hangman's title reign was a lot better than most for the "then what?" problem. He reached the top of the mountain, and he beat back the best technical wrestler, one of the better big men in the promotion, and a charisma machine who had been a face of NXT. So he at least demonstrated his dominance in multiple categories and repelled a different kind of challenger each time.
On paper, that's way better than most face champions get when the chase is over. Just, well, those Archer and Cole feuds were not well done.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 1, 2022 23:47:22 GMT -5
I think the Hangman reign would genuinely have been a lot better if he'd lost the second match to Bryan to extend it to a third round at the PPV where he then won. The two of them had way more chemistry than anyone that really came afteward and it's not like we really gained anything worthwhile from the rushed together Archer and Cole feuds that happened instead.
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Post by clifford on Sept 2, 2022 2:15:43 GMT -5
Tony has grown up his whole life getting his way, always hearing what he wanted, no setbacks. I can say this with certainty cause the dude's rich lol. So he has this childlike pissy reaction to criticism that ONLY comes with a life of the silver spoon.
Also, dude wasn't hugged enough when he was young. The way he clings onto people like a koala trying not to fall out of a tree when they go to leave at a presser with him is something else.
Sorry TK, might have savaged you a bit there. Grow a thicker skin though, dude. When someone criticises you, listen to it and learn from it instead of instantly getting super defensive and pissy.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 2, 2022 3:05:53 GMT -5
The line about his Punk talking for 8 mins is a draw whereas Rosa isn’t so let’s give her a 30 second backstage promo is a self fulfilling prophecy because if you don’t give people time to get viewers to invest then how can they ever draw?
Fair enough you don’t put her out with live mic but surely doing something like show her knocked out backstage and then later in show have her announce a serious injury leading to the interim match would at least have set up a whodunnit story would be better than what they did
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Post by dpg on Sept 2, 2022 3:08:31 GMT -5
Who's going to re-set the womens division? Cos if it's the same people currently running it I wouldn't get too excited.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 3:10:23 GMT -5
you wouldn’t be in this situation if you didn’t tell Britt to go out there and bury the entire division every night
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Post by dpg on Sept 2, 2022 3:14:22 GMT -5
you wouldn’t be in this situation if you didn’t tell Britt to go out there and bury the entire division every night Yes, a storyline where the champ craps in everyone, then beats them, was hardly the best idea. Impact has done it multiple times and it always looked rubbish.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 4:56:39 GMT -5
I might be lonely in this opinion, but while I definitely felt the underwhelming vibe that everyone talks about with it (and can see especially how the Archer and Cole feuds felt that way), I think Hangman's title reign was a lot better than most for the "then what?" problem. He reached the top of the mountain, and he beat back the best technical wrestler, one of the better big men in the promotion, and a charisma machine who had been a face of NXT. So he at least demonstrated his dominance in multiple categories and repelled a different kind of challenger each time. On paper, that's way better than most face champions get when the chase is over. Just, well, those Archer and Cole feuds were not well done. What killed Hangman momentum was the MJF vs Punk feud while being stuck in a loop with Adam Cole. The Danielson storyline is one of the best they booked this year.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 2, 2022 4:57:50 GMT -5
The issue is not whether Tony is "right" or not. It's shoddy leadership to be insulting a member of your roster publicly. One that you chose to make the champion of a division to boot.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 2, 2022 5:15:04 GMT -5
The issue is not whether Tony is "right" or not. It's shoddy leadership to be insulting a member of your roster publicly. One that you chose to make the champion of a division to boot. That too. He could be right and Rosa is a ratings killer but you don't bring attention to that because you're gonna damage Rosa and her brand. Its another reason why I think Dana White is a crappy boss too not only for fighter pay but damaging fighters reputations with his foul mouth.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2022 5:55:56 GMT -5
The issue is not whether Tony is "right" or not. It's shoddy leadership to be insulting a member of your roster publicly. One that you chose to make the champion of a division to boot. This. As the promoter, you need to promote your team, all of them, even if you've soured on them and want to put them back in your toy box for the next shiny one. Tony is not very good at this, and worse, he never seems to learn and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 2, 2022 6:17:59 GMT -5
you wouldn’t be in this situation if you didn’t tell Britt to go out there and bury the entire division every night Yes, a storyline where the champ craps in everyone, then beats them, was hardly the best idea. Impact has done it multiple times and it always looked rubbish. Everybody should watch Heyman's promos as Brock's advocate. He praised Brock's opponents, mentioned their accomplishments, said they deserved to be where they were, but that they weren't Brock. He didn't say they sucked and weren't worthy of Brock's time or being in the ring with him.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 2, 2022 6:37:17 GMT -5
Yes, a storyline where the champ craps in everyone, then beats them, was hardly the best idea. Impact has done it multiple times and it always looked rubbish. Everybody should watch Heyman's promos as Brock's advocate. He praised Brock's opponents, mentioned their accomplishments, said they deserved to be where they were, but that they weren't Brock. He didn't say they sucked and weren't worthy of Brock's time or being in the ring with him. Look at Flair in the 80s. Yeah, he'd trash talk his opponent. But he'd go into a title defense at the Clash against Bobby Eaton giving fans the impression that he was scared for his title reign.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 6:38:21 GMT -5
I might be lonely in this opinion, but while I definitely felt the underwhelming vibe that everyone talks about with it (and can see especially how the Archer and Cole feuds felt that way), I think Hangman's title reign was a lot better than most for the "then what?" problem. He reached the top of the mountain, and he beat back the best technical wrestler, one of the better big men in the promotion, and a charisma machine who had been a face of NXT. So he at least demonstrated his dominance in multiple categories and repelled a different kind of challenger each time. On paper, that's way better than most face champions get when the chase is over. Just, well, those Archer and Cole feuds were not well done. People undervalue Hangman's reign because the Cole feud started clunky and it wet on the same time as MJF/Punk. For a first time world champ it was fine. He was given the chance eto prove he was an ace wrestler. And legit his segments all drew very well. The thing with AEW, and it's happened quite often for other Champs in the company, is when you first win the title the reign then becomes about ring work and showing you're the best over stories. Happened with Lucha Bros, Jurassic Express, Shida, Britt, Sammy, and Darby. Like I say this for both Hangman and Jurassic Express, when you go back and look at their title reigns you kind of forget that they were having bangers in almost all of their title defenses.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 2, 2022 6:39:39 GMT -5
Who's going to re-set the womens division? Cos if it's the same people currently running it I wouldn't get too excited. Women's division was handed over to Madison Rayne and Ari Davairi with in the last month. There base been noticeable improvements with matches just gotta see thr stories
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