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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 14:58:40 GMT -5
And I'm sure they'd respond with we gave so and so mic time and look what happened...the Rosa Deeb promo literally killed the crowd. You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over For all their faults, WWE still puts the women out there even if they aren’t “great talkers.” The gap between the two in terms of women’s booking is getting even wider now.
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 15:02:26 GMT -5
Yeah. I think a post I saw on this summed it up nicely. No one is claiming Rosa is a great promo. Or even good. However, there were a few things that were very wrong with Tony's approach (and all of them self inflicted):
1) He claimed Rosa wasn't a draw, which heavily implies that women aren't a draw, since she's the champ and all that.
2) He claimed that Rosa can't do an 8 minute promo in front of fans. Fair enough, I suppose. But still horrible optics to sit there and compare the men to the women in that regard.
Now, let's look at why those are bad:
1a) Why was Rosa champ if she's not a draw? He's the one who signed off on her winning the title.
2a) I don't think anyone here or elsewhere needs her to do an 8 minute promo to announce she's vacating the title. However, the fact that Tony booked her to vacate it backstage during a very short segment, instead of in front of the live audience is questionable. Yes he claimed that AEW only learned about the injury right before the show started. However, I think most people would be fine if he had cut a Wingman or Gunn Club segment (or made a match shorter) so Rosa can vacate the title in front of an audience and say her goodbyes to fans. It doesn't even need to be 8 minutes long. Maybe 5-6 minutes.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 15:03:07 GMT -5
Toni Storm is getting pretty close to an "Ace" as well And if they push her like one, Jamie Hayter will be. Toni needs that big win finally to cement her though. She hasn’t gotten it yet.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2022 15:06:45 GMT -5
Khan didn't say that Rosa isn't a draw. He said Punk is more of a draw than she is. Which is objectively true. Punk is also more of a draw than most of the AEW roster, no matter their gender.
Though I'm not surprised this is coming from the guy who inserts his own opinions into Meltzer or Fightful reports and makes it come off like they're one and the same.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2022 15:06:59 GMT -5
To go away from the Rosa talk for a bit over the last two days something very consistent Tony has said is that after All Out the roster is going to be the best AEW roster ever, and he even admitted injuries (and likely other issues like MJF) have effected booking... and I've said that all summer AEW felt like the whole show was in a holding pattern even if the great was still great
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Post by Carefree Beach Life Gritizen on Sept 1, 2022 15:09:07 GMT -5
I just don't get why Tony didn't just say we only learned about the injury right before the show so we couldn't schedule a long segment into the show but we should've done it in the ring. Just acknowledge the criticism a little bit, instead of completely dismissing it. Now it's going to be the only thing people are talking about from this call.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 1, 2022 15:09:37 GMT -5
I definitely think Rampage and the women's division needs a small reboot and radical changes
My solution for both is more Joshi ,you can hire me now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 15:11:44 GMT -5
I definitely think Rampage and the women's division needs a small reboot and radical changes My solution for both is more Joshi , you can hire me now. Scorpio Sky is praying this never happens.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 1, 2022 15:12:28 GMT -5
Tony Khan says he strongly disagrees with the criticism of Thunder Rosa vs. CM Punk's promo time for their title situation. He says if we're speaking honestly, an 8 minute promo with CM Punk is going to draw more than an 8 minute Thunder Rosa promo, and that's what he books for Ah yes the old "It's just Sound Business Strategy to do what I was going to do anyway, because for some reason I can't figure out, people react more to the things I present as important than the things I present as secondary!" Lovely to see you buddying up with another old favorite, "Hey, it's the audience that's biased in favor of the men over the women, not me, I'm just Giving The Audience What They Want!"
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Post by Dub H on Sept 1, 2022 15:12:44 GMT -5
I definitely think Rampage and the women's division needs a small reboot and radical changes My solution for both is more Joshi , you can hire me now. Scorpio Sky is praying this never happens. He doesn't need to worry, Dark always needs jobbers
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Post by Mecca on Sept 1, 2022 15:12:46 GMT -5
You still have to give other people reasonable chances to do so. If you *just* let Britt be the lone promo goddess then *nobody* gets better out there and nobody gets over For all their faults, WWE still puts the women out there even if they aren’t “great talkers.” The gap between the two in terms of women’s booking is getting even wider now. They also have 7 hours of first run TV to AEWs 3 and more ppvs etc so they do have alot more time to do things.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 1, 2022 15:25:07 GMT -5
Tony really needs to hire someone to violently tackle him any time he's about to say something about a woman.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 1, 2022 15:49:08 GMT -5
I think Tony meant no harm by any of what he said today, but the optics are bad. Rosa just took a mental health break from Twitter and now he unintentionally invited chuds to troll her like he did with Big Swole.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Sept 1, 2022 15:51:03 GMT -5
TK, for the love of God hire someone to do some media training
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 1, 2022 15:54:54 GMT -5
With Thunder Rosa, his idea that he had to choose one 8 minute promo over the other seems pretty shaky. Having her talk for 8 minutes isn't going to be her thing, but giving her a few badass minutes in the ring to say "I'm injured, so all of you make the most of me being gone, because whoever is interim champ is getting murked when I return". I think they would have if they didn't learn about the injury so close to showtime. With Punk they had time to map out a Rampage where he got the time he needed. I think giving Rosa what I assume was a pre-tape, was a good idea so emotions didn't run high and the shows overall timing wasn't derailed Can TK hire you because you legitimately can do a better job than him. And I mean that positively because TK doesn't know how to word things well and comes off like an asshole.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 1, 2022 15:56:11 GMT -5
I think they would have if they didn't learn about the injury so close to showtime. With Punk they had time to map out a Rampage where he got the time he needed. I think giving Rosa what I assume was a pre-tape, was a good idea so emotions didn't run high and the shows overall timing wasn't derailed Can TK hire you because you legitimately can do a better job than him. And I mean that positively because TK doesn't know how to word things well and comes off like an asshole. I am available if TK is reading this forum like we always suspect he is! Lol
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Sept 1, 2022 16:05:42 GMT -5
Tony if you're reading this I want you to watch UWF Hood Justice
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 1, 2022 16:15:24 GMT -5
I think trying to treat the women's division the same as the men's is a mistake.
They have some massive stars at the top of the men's division with decades of experience and he largely attempts to keep them apart when not fueding so they can sell ppvs whenever their paths do cross.
He doesn't need to do that for the women. Let the top names face each other regularly on rampage, have more title matches on TV. There no need to wait for the ppvs. It's not a direct comparison but Paige, Emma, and the Horsewomen did that in nxt and they all elevated each other and it kept growing until that momentum improved things on the main roster and eventually two of them main-evented wm.
If the women are putting on similarly great rampage main events they'll soon force their way into more prominent dynamite and ppv slots. Tbf I think they're moving in that direction, more of the better wrestlers facing each other in tag matches is a start.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 1, 2022 16:53:43 GMT -5
I love this stuff personally. Tony usually does a good job of turning tough questions into ways to just promote his stuff. And that's understandable as a promotor. But I love when he gives more honest answers. I miss when Hunter did this ahead of Takeover shows. Especially towards the end when he would go on rants after getting tough questions. More transparency is good.
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Post by Corre.222 on Sept 1, 2022 17:08:06 GMT -5
It's easy to see that some former AEW fans have turned on AEW as soon as Triple H was allowed to take over the reins of WWE. That is horrific as AEW provided them an alternative when Vince was shitting the bed, and these people don't see as grateful, turning heel on AEW like it was the Vince McMahon era.
There are SOME issues with AEW, and it can be solved with one tweak. Wait for Rampage to be two hours. It just needs to be two hours. I hope the Network can allow it.
I love AEW equally as much as the new WWE, the issue is here that WWE just simply pumps out more quality content than AEW does due to the larger # of shows & how long they are, so I grow more attached to the new WWE as a result simply due to being around more.
If I liked Paris equally as much as Orlando, but I was in Paris 700 times less, I would be more fond of Orlando.
Problems with AEW/Rampage: 1) I cannot CANNOT get into a one-hour wrestling show. By the time I'm immersed, it's whisked away. 2) It's not up to snuff anyway 3) It will alleviate the clogged artery of the roster so the show breathes & everyone gets an opportunity.
If Dynamite is the only show of AEW that's nice, it still doesn't compare to WWE anymore than a team with one superstar going against a team with 3.
AEW cannot run by the strength of Dynamite alone.
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