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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Sept 21, 2022 21:47:29 GMT -5
It was the right call. This silly MFer shouldn't be defeating PAC in any situation. OC shouldn't ever be champion, let him continue to be the company mascot that puts on good matches.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 21:48:11 GMT -5
I cited a feud Cassidy won, not his only accomplishment in three years, just a good example of one, that's putting words in my mouth lol Fair enough but just looking at the feuds he's had since... - Involved in a mini-feud with Cody over the TBS title, lost. - Won the feud with Miro and Kip, I'll give you that one. - Quickie title feud with Kenny and PAC where he was made to look like an idiot multiple times over en route to being screwed out of the belt, nothing whatsoever came of it. - Spent an absolute goddamn eternity feuding with Matt Hardy, lost. - Don't think he actually had a feud between Matt and PAC. - Lost two title matches for separate belts to PAC in this current feud. It's not like he's been quietly running up big wins all this time, he barely does anything. Yet he's still one of the most over guys on the show, not even disagreeing with you and I WANT him to win a title, he's just been one of those guys who has withstood losing the big ones for now I really hope the AAC feud continues, hell involve Ethan and make it a triple threat, it'll work |
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Post by chrom on Sept 21, 2022 21:49:37 GMT -5
I cited a feud Cassidy won, not his only accomplishment in three years, just a good example of one, that's putting words in my mouth lol Fair enough but just looking at the feuds he's had since... - Involved in a mini-feud with Cody over the TBS title, lost. - Won the feud with Miro and Kip, I'll give you that one. - Quickie title feud with Kenny and PAC where he was made to look like an idiot multiple times over en route to being screwed out of the belt, nothing whatsoever came of it. - Spent an absolute goddamn eternity feuding with Matt Hardy, lost. - Don't think he actually had a feud between Matt and PAC. - Lost two title matches for separate belts to PAC in this current feud. It's not like he's been quietly running up big wins all this time, he barely does anything. He also lost to Ospreay in that time period |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 21:51:21 GMT -5
It was the right call. This silly MFer shouldn't be defeating PAC in any situation. OC shouldn't ever be champion, let him continue to be the company mascot that puts on good matches. This ain't it. Cassidy has more than proved if they asked him to carry the AAC, he'd be a perfectly deserving champion He doesn't just put on good matches, he's put on GREAT matches. That match with Will Ospreay was not great solely off the back of Ospreay. |
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Post by kimrey on Sept 21, 2022 21:52:13 GMT -5
I’d just love to know how TK decides to book this stuff. For instance he saw The Acclaimed get crazy over and he put the titles on them at the height of that. OC has been crazy over since the beginning and he just can’t pull the trigger. He should have won the TNT title after the Jericho feud, instead they gave him three chances at it with Brodie and Cody (two losses and a draw). It’s all been such weird booking. Being an OC fan is just constant pain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 21:53:38 GMT -5
Orange and Kingston are two guys where you expect them to lose in a big match. Khan seems to think those two in particular can always rebound from losses due to popularity, but at some point it’s going to hurt them with the fans too.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Sept 21, 2022 21:54:11 GMT -5
It was the right call. This silly MFer shouldn't be defeating PAC in any situation. OC shouldn't ever be champion, let him continue to be the company mascot that puts on good matches. This ain't it. Cassidy has more than proved if they asked him to carry the AAC, he'd be a perfectly deserving champion He doesn't just put on good matches, he's put on GREAT matches. That match with Will Ospreay was not great solely off the back of Ospreay. Not denying his talent, the guy has had bangers with multiple talent. But I would never put any gold on him outside of the Trios titles and even that's pushing it. Strapping him up with singles gold is a mockery to said gold and devalues it. He's not a guy that should be going over top talent, this is why he has barely won a match since his feud with Jericho. Imagine Miro, Wardlow, PAC, Omega, Black, Hangman, Archer, Kieth Lee, Brody King, Darby Allin, Jungle Boy or Moxley losing to OC clean, I mean Jesus. |
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Post by Fade on Sept 21, 2022 21:55:38 GMT -5
I’d just love to know how TK decides to book this stuff. For instance he saw The Acclaimed get crazy over and he put the titles on them at the height of that. OC has been crazy over since the beginning and he just can’t pull the trigger. He should have won the TNT title after the Jericho feud, instead they gave him three chances at it with Brodie and Cody (two losses and a draw). It’s all been such weird booking. Being an OC fan is just constant pain. Hey now He lost to Wardlow too |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 21:56:45 GMT -5
This ain't it. Cassidy has more than proved if they asked him to carry the AAC, he'd be a perfectly deserving champion He doesn't just put on good matches, he's put on GREAT matches. That match with Will Ospreay was not great solely off the back of Ospreay. Not denying his talent, the guy has had bangers with multiple talent. But I would never put any gold on him outside of the Trios titles and even that's pushing it. Strapping him up with singles gold is a mockery to said gold and devalues it. He's not a guy that should be going over top talent, this is why he has barely won a match since his feud with Jericho. It doesn't devalue any of the gold or mock any of the gold when the guy has match in and match out proven he can hand with the best talent in the world and isn't a joke. He's also won a ton of matches since his feud with Jericho, he's won 70 AEW matches and they haven't all been against pushovers This rhetoric is poisonous to wrestling and I seriously can't stand it. If you think live crowds and viewers would stop tuning in or cry foul because Orange won a belt, I think that's ridiculous. The only people who would care are the assholes with tennis rackets, and I'm glad not to be one of them. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 21:57:20 GMT -5
I’d just love to know how TK decides to book this stuff. For instance he saw The Acclaimed get crazy over and he put the titles on them at the height of that. OC has been crazy over since the beginning and he just can’t pull the trigger. He should have won the TNT title after the Jericho feud, instead they gave him three chances at it with Brodie and Cody (two losses and a draw). It’s all been such weird booking. Being an OC fan is just constant pain. Hey now He lost to Wardlow too And that match was praised to shit. I wanna see more Wardlow matches like that tbh. |
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Post by kimrey on Sept 21, 2022 21:58:42 GMT -5
I’d just love to know how TK decides to book this stuff. For instance he saw The Acclaimed get crazy over and he put the titles on them at the height of that. OC has been crazy over since the beginning and he just can’t pull the trigger. He should have won the TNT title after the Jericho feud, instead they gave him three chances at it with Brodie and Cody (two losses and a draw). It’s all been such weird booking. Being an OC fan is just constant pain. Hey now He lost to Wardlow too Yeah, they stopped his momentum once again with a loss to Wardlow this year. I am tired. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 21, 2022 22:02:43 GMT -5
Best Friends should have won the trios titles. On the other hand Death Triangle needed a big win as well.
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Post by kimrey on Sept 21, 2022 22:04:13 GMT -5
Best Friends should have won the trios titles. On the other hand Death Triangle needed a big win as well. Best Friends needed it more |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 22:05:14 GMT -5
Hey now He lost to Wardlow too Yeah, they stopped his momentum once again with a loss to Wardlow this year. I am tired. My thing is, Cassidy never stops having momentum, he's always over, and can always be plugged into something for it to matter Case in point, the Wardlow match was heavily praised, people didn't even care Cassidy lost when it happened, it was just a great and unique match |
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Sept 21, 2022 22:10:00 GMT -5
Not denying his talent, the guy has had bangers with multiple talent. But I would never put any gold on him outside of the Trios titles and even that's pushing it. Strapping him up with singles gold is a mockery to said gold and devalues it. He's not a guy that should be going over top talent, this is why he has barely won a match since his feud with Jericho. It doesn't devalue any of the gold or mock any of the gold when the guy has match in and match out proven he can hand with the best talent in the world and isn't a joke. He's also won a ton of matches since his feud with Jericho, he's won 70 AEW matches and they haven't all been against pushovers This rhetoric is poisonous to wrestling and I seriously can't stand it. If you think live crowds and viewers would stop tuning in or cry foul because Orange won a belt, I think that's ridiculous. The only people who would care are the assholes with tennis rackets, and I'm glad not to be one of them. The silly antics before and during his matches don't belong in the main event or any title scene. People love it because it doesn't interfere with the primary storylines. He can challenge but he shouldn't win. Just my opinion. I understand the crowds love him, but they can just as easily fall out of love with him should he be over-pushed past the likes of Wardlow, Jungle Boy or Miro for title gold. He wins top gold and holds it for an extended period of time and hardcores will start to realize that the top prize/s on the show are in the hands of goofs when you have a roster as stacked and as badass as it is. There's no place for an OC AAA or TNT title run with a roster such as this. I would do Trios gold and keep it at that. Had he beaten Wardlow for example that would have been disastrous. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 22:12:34 GMT -5
Hey now He lost to Wardlow too Yeah, they stopped his momentum once again with a loss to Wardlow this year. I am tired. Yeah exactly and we cant just continue to care and give OC plot armor because of how over he is. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 21, 2022 22:14:22 GMT -5
It doesn't devalue any of the gold or mock any of the gold when the guy has match in and match out proven he can hand with the best talent in the world and isn't a joke. He's also won a ton of matches since his feud with Jericho, he's won 70 AEW matches and they haven't all been against pushovers This rhetoric is poisonous to wrestling and I seriously can't stand it. If you think live crowds and viewers would stop tuning in or cry foul because Orange won a belt, I think that's ridiculous. The only people who would care are the assholes with tennis rackets, and I'm glad not to be one of them. The silly antics before and during his matches don't belong in the main event or any title scene. People love it because it doesn't interfere with the primary storylines. He can challenge but he shouldn't win. Just my opinion. I understand the crowds love him, but they can just as easily fall out of love with him should he be over-pushed past the likes of Wardlow, Jungle Boy or Miro for title gold. He wins top gold and holds it for an extended period of time and hardcores will start to realize that the top prize/s on the show are in the hands of goofs when you have a roster as stacked and as badass as it is. There's no place for an OC AAA or TNT title run with a roster such as this. I would do Trios gold and keep it at that. Hard disagree. A dude who used an overly theatrical elbow drop is one of the most beloved and respected wrestlers ever. Not to mention the dude who used a fist drop variation of essentially the same thing. A dude who had an entire sequence where he randomly became impervious to pain by flexing his muscles around like a peacock is maybe the most legendary wrestler of all time. All of those signature spots were explained in kayfabe as mind games meant to throw the opponent off their game. I don’t see how OC is any different. He hasn’t been a true comedy character in years. It’s well established that he’s f***ing around to throw his opponents off of their game, but when push comes to shove he can wrestle with the best of them. There’s no reason that can’t be a championship-winning gimmick. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 21, 2022 22:15:17 GMT -5
It doesn't devalue any of the gold or mock any of the gold when the guy has match in and match out proven he can hand with the best talent in the world and isn't a joke. He's also won a ton of matches since his feud with Jericho, he's won 70 AEW matches and they haven't all been against pushovers This rhetoric is poisonous to wrestling and I seriously can't stand it. If you think live crowds and viewers would stop tuning in or cry foul because Orange won a belt, I think that's ridiculous. The only people who would care are the assholes with tennis rackets, and I'm glad not to be one of them. The silly antics before and during his matches don't belong in the main event or any title scene. People love it because it doesn't interfere with the primary storylines. He can challenge but he shouldn't win. Just my opinion. I understand the crowds love him, but they can just as easily fall out of love with him should he be over-pushed past the likes of Wardlow, Jungle Boy or Miro for title gold. He wins top gold and holds it for an extended period of time and hardcores will start to realize that the top prize/s on the show are in the hands of goofs when you have a roster as stacked and as badass as it is. There's no place for an OC AAA or TNT title run with a roster such as this. I would do Trios gold and keep it at that. Had he beaten Wardlow for example that would have been disastrous. Anyone should be able to beat anyone in wrestling, anyone should be able to realistically get a title in wrestling That is the magic of wrestling, gatekeeping it like this is more disastrous to me than anything else. Orange Cassidy can fly, he can be technical, he can punch you square in the jaw and knock your ass out. This isn't rocket science, his antics don't ever take away from a match either, they suck a crowd in, and this has happened all over the US, at this point it's just proven to work and people are rapidly screaming they they like and want more of it, and this thread proves that includes the prospect of gold. There is absolutely a place for Orange Cassidy as a champion, if you don't like him, fine, but wrestling and AEW will be absolutely fine if and when he holds gold, and it will be a huge moment for the company despite what some might think. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 21, 2022 22:19:27 GMT -5
I feel like there are barely even any comedy elements in OC's gimmick at this point. He does the kicks and the thumbs up but otherwise the whole lazy gimmick's basically been entirely disregarded, he just goes out there and has matches.
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 21, 2022 22:19:28 GMT -5
The argument about his comedy antics during matches: Big scale, The Rock did comedy during big matches (his stunner sell, stealing Austin's jacket, taking a camera mid match to play cameraman) and it didn't hurt him. Lower card than that? Even after being IC and US champion, people cheered for Santino and were wanting him to win either the Rumble or Elimination Chamber...and let's face it, Cassidy is less comedic than Santino overall.
On the other end of it, never winning a title and losing all title matches? Different era yes, but how many title wins did Jake "The Snake" Roberts have?
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