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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 9, 2023 18:02:30 GMT -5
Going by this tweet it sounds like AEW are basically stuck running these big arenas for at least a year whether they like it or not. Welp Rovert or whatever his name is f***ing sucks. That's my only contribution to this particular portion of the dialogue. Dude is a smarmy know-it-all.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 9, 2023 18:07:36 GMT -5
Yeah, not surprised that these venues are booked really far in advance. Especially in NBA and NHL arenas where you have to book around their schedules, with both leagues also taking previously booked events in home arenas when devising those schedules. Otherwise you end up with what happened that fateful Raw when the Denver arena double booked it with a Nuggets vs Lakers playoff game.
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Post by dpg on Oct 10, 2023 0:40:29 GMT -5
Rovert or whatever his name is f***ing sucks. That's my only contribution to this particular portion of the dialogue. Dude is a smarmy know-it-all. Yup, used to frequent the Impact boards being condescending to everyone. Has never worked in wrestling at all as far as I know.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 10, 2023 1:28:36 GMT -5
As far as marketing goes, I think AEW is relying too much on social media as opposed to local marketing. I don't know why wrestling companies look at what WWE does with advertising, and say "We don't want that, let's not do it." When WWE comes to Kansas, we get commercials months in advance. If the show is in Wichita, that morning at least one wrestler will pop up on a morning news show (since Wichita is the base for our ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates). I've said it before, TNA ran a couple of shows in Kansas and I only saw 1 commercial and that was a few days before the show. The other show I didn't know till a few days after the show when I went to the town (only 90 minutes away), and the cashier who told me was a wrestling fan, and he even said he didn't know they would be there. Looking it up and AEW's coming to Kansas for Collision in a month, and I haven't seen one advertisement for it. Every other event, doesn't matter if it's wrestling, gets hyped for months in advance. Advertise, advertise, advertise. Take a page from WWE's book in that way.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 10, 2023 6:04:06 GMT -5
As far as marketing goes, I think AEW is relying too much on social media as opposed to local marketing. I don't know why wrestling companies look at what WWE does with advertising, and say "We don't want that, let's not do it." When WWE comes to Kansas, we get commercials months in advance. If the show is in Wichita, that morning at least one wrestler will pop up on a morning news show (since Wichita is the base for our ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates). I've said it before, TNA ran a couple of shows in Kansas and I only saw 1 commercial and that was a few days before the show. The other show I didn't know till a few days after the show when I went to the town (only 90 minutes away), and the cashier who told me was a wrestling fan, and he even said he didn't know they would be there. Looking it up and AEW's coming to Kansas for Collision in a month, and I haven't seen one advertisement for it. Every other event, doesn't matter if it's wrestling, gets hyped for months in advance. Advertise, advertise, advertise. Take a page from WWE's book in that way. Did sound like Paul Wight showed up for a morning show yesterday or something, can't remember, but it should absolutely become something more common if they can manage it.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Oct 10, 2023 7:29:56 GMT -5
It's hard to sell tickets for multiple arenas week in and week out when your brand is fairly new and a lot of your talent don't have a track record of moving tickets to that extent. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
It'd be more remarkable if they were doing big gates for Collision, which is what - the 5th most watched wrestling show in the US?
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 10, 2023 8:59:04 GMT -5
It's hard to sell tickets for multiple arenas week in and week out when your brand is fairly new and a lot of your talent don't have a track record of moving tickets to that extent. I don't think there's anything more to it than that. It'd be more remarkable if they were doing big gates for Collision, which is what - the 5th most watched wrestling show in the US? Yeah there’s definitely a diluting aspect to this as they now have double the live events than they did pre-June. Ticket sales were still soft before Collision but it does make it harder to rebound.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 10:12:33 GMT -5
The pictures coming out from Collision has sent X/Twitter into a tizzy over the last few days...This is hard cam side but unfortunately the rest of the arena was like this sporadically as well. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_xM83XEAAEpcS?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 10, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5
The pictures coming out from Collision has sent X/Twitter into a tizzy over the last few days...This is hard cam side but unfortunately the rest of the arena was like this sporadically as well. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_xM83XEAAEpcS?format=jpg&name=large) This is the kind of stuff I was talking about in my earlier post. That show was the lowest attended Collision ever at 2,245, which is a number higher than TNA was doing at its 2010-2011 "height" and commensurate with late-era WCW. It was held in a Utah market which is clearly not a great wrestling market, and only drew 2,800 for Dynamite when AEW was purportedly "hot." But, like you said, on Twitter, we're getting this video footage of an obvious statistical outlier with a heavy dose of "LOLOOLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL EDGE FORGOT TO RUN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STAGE!!!!!!!!!" and "tHiNGs aReNt LOoKiNg GoOD foR aeW" when it's complete and utter bad faith nonsense. Like, absolute nonsense.I really do hope that, after this round of bookings finishes, AEW considers running smaller venues, because if that show had been held at, like, Smith Fieldhouse instead of the Maverik Center no one would be saying a god damn thing.
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Post by Killah Ray on Oct 10, 2023 11:48:16 GMT -5
The pictures coming out from Collision has sent X/Twitter into a tizzy over the last few days...This is hard cam side but unfortunately the rest of the arena was like this sporadically as well. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_xM83XEAAEpcS?format=jpg&name=large) This is the kind of stuff I was talking about in my earlier post. That show was the lowest attended Collision ever at 2,245, which is a number higher than TNA was doing at its 2010-2011 "height" and commensurate with late-era WCW. It was held in a Utah market which is clearly not a great wrestling market, and only drew 2,800 for Dynamite when AEW was purportedly "hot." But, like you said, on Twitter, we're getting this video footage of an obvious statistical outlier with a heavy dose of "LOLOOLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL EDGE FORGOT TO RUN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STAGE!!!!!!!!!" and "tHiNGs aReNt LOoKiNg GoOD foR aeW" when it's complete and utter bad faith nonsense. Like, absolute nonsense.I really do hope that, after this round of bookings finishes, AEW considers running smaller venues, because if that show had been held at, like, Smith Fieldhouse instead of the Maverik Center no one would be saying a god damn thing. Damn man you might want to take a step back, cause it seems like you’re taking this shit too personal…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 12:01:39 GMT -5
I have always said that AEW should run smaller more unique venues for TV and hold only their big ppvs in big arenas/stadiums.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 10, 2023 12:10:45 GMT -5
This is the kind of stuff I was talking about in my earlier post. That show was the lowest attended Collision ever at 2,245, which is a number higher than TNA was doing at its 2010-2011 "height" and commensurate with late-era WCW. It was held in a Utah market which is clearly not a great wrestling market, and only drew 2,800 for Dynamite when AEW was purportedly "hot." But, like you said, on Twitter, we're getting this video footage of an obvious statistical outlier with a heavy dose of "LOLOOLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL EDGE FORGOT TO RUN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STAGE!!!!!!!!!" and "tHiNGs aReNt LOoKiNg GoOD foR aeW" when it's complete and utter bad faith nonsense. Like, absolute nonsense.I really do hope that, after this round of bookings finishes, AEW considers running smaller venues, because if that show had been held at, like, Smith Fieldhouse instead of the Maverik Center no one would be saying a god damn thing. Damn man you might want to take a step back, cause it seems like you’re taking this shit too personal… Lol, this is the worst kind of post. You're just as active on this forum, in this thread, talking about the exact same stuff on the internet, so don't act all condescending and holier than thou to me because I'm calling out bullshit. We're all weirdos dissecting the minutia of professional wrestling attendance anonymously online my dude. I would love to know what you read in any post I have made on this issue that could possibly be construed as "taking this shit too personal." I'm not a mindless AEW drone. I acknowledge that AEW's attendance numbers are dropping and that the product is far below its peak. But posts like that video of the arena in Salt Lake and the discourse it creates are bullshit. And I'm going to call them bullshit.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 10, 2023 14:17:56 GMT -5
Having more shows has been mentioned as a possible reason for declining tickets for individual events. Makes me wonder if they'd even be in that position without the need to put Punk on his own island of misfit toys. Or if Collision was always in the cards and the opportunity for Punk to get his own little wrestling fiefdom was happy (at the time) coincidence.
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Post by gnr123 on Oct 10, 2023 14:27:25 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion."
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 10, 2023 14:32:58 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion." 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 14:39:50 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion." I don't think so as ECW was all about hiding those negatives as well but again it goes back to perception... If AEW can embrace being an alternative instead of there just being a concrete 1 and a 2 then this wouldn't be an issue but when the guy at the top is calling for war then any empty seat is a slight.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 10, 2023 14:45:14 GMT -5
As far as marketing goes, I think AEW is relying too much on social media as opposed to local marketing. I don't know why wrestling companies look at what WWE does with advertising, and say "We don't want that, let's not do it." When WWE comes to Kansas, we get commercials months in advance. If the show is in Wichita, that morning at least one wrestler will pop up on a morning news show (since Wichita is the base for our ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates). I've said it before, TNA ran a couple of shows in Kansas and I only saw 1 commercial and that was a few days before the show. The other show I didn't know till a few days after the show when I went to the town (only 90 minutes away), and the cashier who told me was a wrestling fan, and he even said he didn't know they would be there. Looking it up and AEW's coming to Kansas for Collision in a month, and I haven't seen one advertisement for it. Every other event, doesn't matter if it's wrestling, gets hyped for months in advance. Advertise, advertise, advertise. Take a page from WWE's book in that way. The only real block in their way is that if AEW books a venue WWE also uses, there's apparently a certain amount of time that the venue can't advertise rival wrestling promotions having shows there. Right now, that's AEW, but would also apply to Impact, New Japan, AAA, CMLL, etc. But that's only from the venue itself. Nothing stopping AEW itself from focusing more on local advertising. Or they can just book the venue past that period of time.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 10, 2023 15:48:24 GMT -5
Having more shows has been mentioned as a possible reason for declining tickets for individual events. Makes me wonder if they'd even be in that position without the need to put Punk on his own island of misfit toys. Or if Collision was always in the cards and the opportunity for Punk to get his own little wrestling fiefdom was happy (at the time) coincidence. The latter is what the reporting has implied; Collision was happening and the idea of putting Punk onto that show as a problem-solving measure was brought up in the process of putting it together.
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Post by Fade on Oct 10, 2023 15:51:21 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion." Someone pointed out moxleys return from sobering up happened at a small venue. Literally could have fooled me, thought that was a big ass arena.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 16:54:19 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion." They've booked Smaller Venues before, and they've looked amazing on camera, so no, it wouldn't They also don't have to do this for every place they visit, but for the places that don't seem to be biting for larger arenas like Utah? Maybe consider it.
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