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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 10, 2023 17:32:20 GMT -5
But wouldn't booking smaller arena's make them look like a "secondary promotion." They've booked Smaller Venues before, and they've looked amazing on camera, so no, it wouldn't They also don't have to do this for every place they visit, but for the places that don't seem to be biting for larger arenas like Utah? Maybe consider it. This was just meant to be a jab at TK taking exception to Triple H calling AEW a secondary promotion a few weeks back. Because apparently Tony Khan doing anything other than nodding in agreement conceding that WWE is the dominant force in sports entertainment makes him a petulant baby throwing a tantrum. This dude thinks he’s coming in here bringing the heat with the shocking info that WWE is, in fact, larger and more successful than AEW. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 10, 2023 17:39:00 GMT -5
They've booked Smaller Venues before, and they've looked amazing on camera, so no, it wouldn't They also don't have to do this for every place they visit, but for the places that don't seem to be biting for larger arenas like Utah? Maybe consider it. This was just meant to be a jab at TK taking exception to Triple H calling AEW a secondary promotion a few weeks back. Because apparently Tony Khan doing anything other than nodding in agreement conceding that WWE is the dominant force in sports entertainment makes him a petulant baby throwing a tantrum. This dude thinks he’s coming in here bringing the heat with the shocking info that WWE is, in fact, larger and more successful than AEW. Nothing that people who have frequented this section for four years aren't used to seeing but hey I decided I'd just give a fair response instead of feeding into anything else lol |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 10, 2023 17:50:52 GMT -5
AEW's final numbers for attendance for tonight's show are only about 400 less fans than they got at the same arena last year
Mark Henry and Big Show did local advertisement this morning for the event, and it seemed to definitely help them move tickets
Definitely matters, and they definitely need to do it more. Big Show and Mark aren't really doing much else, them and other veterans and names doing local ads and such can't hurt, and only help the product numbers in the long run for these events.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 10, 2023 17:55:08 GMT -5
A few thoughts on running smaller venues:
- I will say it's a bit disingenuous when people mention the whole "only having X tickets sold in a 20K seat arena" line because even a hot company like WWE will only sell 8-12K in those arenas. And even then, WWE when they're not hot will still run the arenas when they are drawing 4-6K a show and it will be fine. It does become harder to make it look full when you dip below 3K but it's not a disaster.
- There are some advantages to running larger buildings that might make them worth running in cold periods (more modern, easier to get to, easier to comp, etc).
- As mentioned earlier, you can't make a switch overnight. You have contracts and holds out there. You also have relationships with some partners who expect you to run 1-2 times a year. You don't want to burn some bridges over a period where you're cold.
- Even if you want to run smaller venues, they still need to be big enough for all of your lighting rigs and stage setup. You may not like that but they have it and WBD expects a certain look from their TV products. So that limits them to some extent.
- On the pro-smaller venue argument, I will point out that NXT has been able to increase their TV viewership despite running essentially a high production studio wrestling show. Should AEW do that? Probably not. But it does point to the idea that sometimes running that kind of venue isn't a major turn off. The UFC has also remained hot despite running the very small and not fun Apex for a lot of their shows. Just something for them to think about. It probably won't happen but having a venue like that (probably not Daily's Place because of it being outdoors and the size) for some of their TV, it could alleviate some pressure of running more shows.
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Post by Venti on Oct 10, 2023 18:08:09 GMT -5
I would like to see more smaller venues because wrestling with good production values, but a small, loud, intimate crowd and atmosphere is super underrated.
I'm not smart enough to read all of the numbers and info, and don't really care enough to do so.
I'd just like to see smaller venues for my own personal taste lol.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 11, 2023 5:45:18 GMT -5
A few thoughts on running smaller venues: - I will say it's a bit disingenuous when people mention the whole "only having X tickets sold in a 20K seat arena" line because even a hot company like WWE will only sell 8-12K in those arenas. And even then, WWE when they're not hot will still run the arenas when they are drawing 4-6K a show and it will be fine. It does become harder to make it look full when you dip below 3K but it's not a disaster. - There are some advantages to running larger buildings that might make them worth running in cold periods (more modern, easier to get to, easier to comp, etc). - As mentioned earlier, you can't make a switch overnight. You have contracts and holds out there. You also have relationships with some partners who expect you to run 1-2 times a year. You don't want to burn some bridges over a period where you're cold.- Even if you want to run smaller venues, they still need to be big enough for all of your lighting rigs and stage setup. You may not like that but they have it and WBD expects a certain look from their TV products. So that limits them to some extent. - On the pro-smaller venue argument, I will point out that NXT has been able to increase their TV viewership despite running essentially a high production studio wrestling show. Should AEW do that? Probably not. But it does point to the idea that sometimes running that kind of venue isn't a major turn off. The UFC has also remained hot despite running the very small and not fun Apex for a lot of their shows. Just something for them to think about. It probably won't happen but having a venue like that (probably not Daily's Place because of it being outdoors and the size) for some of their TV, it could alleviate some pressure of running more shows. Seen the bolded part play out; Prudential Center in Newark has a little hype video they play before events showing a lot of the acts and events that have come through (Devils games, college basketball, concerts with people like Bruce Springsteen, etc.) and the end of the hype video was multiple shots from AEW shows...which, funny enough, include a clip of Cody's entrance, but still seems indicative of the arena's ownership seeing themselves as having some kind of arrangement with AEW, ala how Barclay's Center in Brooklyn likely has one with WWE. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 14, 2023 22:02:28 GMT -5
Apparently tickets were $10 tonight and while there were empty seats all on the hard side, I'm hearing it wasn't as bad as it has been.
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Post by moxfan1 on Oct 14, 2023 22:25:30 GMT -5
Apparently tickets were $10 tonight and while there were empty seats all on the hard side, I'm hearing it wasn't as bad as it has been. They had around 4,000 people there tonight and building probably only fits around 6,800(after stage& screens). Im guessing discount tickets helped them move alot the last few days. Both shows attendance looked good on tv this week(wasn't darked out) Having building at least more then half full is fine. When they are doing 2,500 to 3,000 in building that can fit 10 to 13k after stage and entrance set up. That's when things look rough on tv. Hopefully they can get back to most shows being at least in 4-5K range. Like it was before summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2023 11:46:23 GMT -5
Apparently tickets were $10 tonight and while there were empty seats all on the hard side, I'm hearing it wasn't as bad as it has been. I can't tell yet because all pictures I have seen so far are in slam shots from the hard camera side so I won't post the tweets but here is one of the pics going around  |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 15, 2023 11:54:55 GMT -5
The crowd was hot, loud, and looked super full on the sides they sold to
But people on Twitter will desperately show the hard cam side pics where they don't sell tickets or open up on most shows because there has to be a narrative that the company is dying
Just kinda tired of it really lol
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Post by moxfan1 on Oct 15, 2023 13:48:24 GMT -5
Apparently tickets were $10 tonight and while there were empty seats all on the hard side, I'm hearing it wasn't as bad as it has been. I can't tell yet because all pictures I have seen so far are in slam shots from the hard camera side so I won't post the tweets but here is one of the pics going around AEW hard cam side is rarely full. Even a year or two ago. If they had 5k vs 4k that section would have had a lot more people. But despite the trolls using the picture. It was solid attendance show and could have shown empty hard cam sides a year or two ago too for many Dynamite. |
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 15, 2023 14:01:52 GMT -5
I keep hearing ticket prices are another issue. AEW charges more.
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Post by daaave on Oct 15, 2023 15:21:10 GMT -5
I really only care about whether the crowd looks and sounds good on tv. Last night looked and sounded great. The Collision week or so before looked awful, and was quite distracting. But last night on tv at least was good
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Post by DichEvans on Oct 15, 2023 18:32:48 GMT -5
I keep hearing ticket prices are another issue. AEW charges more. Iunno, I have a lot of friends who are just casual fans. They don't really know 70% of the roster and are less inclined of spending $100+ for the night to see guys they have never heard of. Especially since AEW runs the same markets so often. Just seeing their reaction and general disinterest with MJF's feuds with ROH stables and the Gunn club makes me think they should be using MJF in a more calculated way. People should really work up the card before they get to feud with the top guy. I am sure every guy MJF is feuding with is really talented, but they are all mostly unknown to casuals |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 15, 2023 18:44:54 GMT -5
I'd be curious to know if touring is making them money.
If not, it's time to explore maybe just running Daily's Place for awhile, and maybe running the PPVs or biggest shows elsewhere for a change.
Smaller venues would be an option too. If you can reliably depend on selling a couple thousand tickets, maybe book theaters with a 900+ capacity and create some demand.
Swear it feels like they're here in DFW every three months or so. I'm not bitching, but people have to miss you before they can want to see you again.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 15, 2023 19:03:52 GMT -5
I'd be curious to know if touring is making them money. If not, it's time to explore maybe just running Daily's Place for awhile, and maybe running the PPVs or biggest shows elsewhere for a change. Smaller venues would be an option too. If you can reliably depend on selling a couple thousand tickets, maybe book theaters with a 900+ capacity and create some demand. Swear it feels like they're here in DFW every three months or so. I'm not bitching, but people have to miss you before they can want to see you again. All of this. Pack out smaller, unique looking venues. Make your show look like the hottest ticket in town. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than running NBA areas as well so it's a win-win. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 15, 2023 20:04:10 GMT -5
I'd be curious to know if touring is making them money. If not, it's time to explore maybe just running Daily's Place for awhile, and maybe running the PPVs or biggest shows elsewhere for a change. Smaller venues would be an option too. If you can reliably depend on selling a couple thousand tickets, maybe book theaters with a 900+ capacity and create some demand. Swear it feels like they're here in DFW every three months or so. I'm not bitching, but people have to miss you before they can want to see you again. I imagine they either break even or lose a little bit when the product is colder but they can afford that. I'm all for running some smaller buildings if it makes it look better on TV but I'd always do what you had in Toledo this weekend where you do 4K and it looks great even if the hardcam side empty than a sold out 2K arena where the camera shows a lot less fans than usual. You could try running Daily's Place more but that could lead to the brand getting TNA vibes which is a stink you don't want. It's also unpredictable weather wise and talent have said it's not always fun to work in. They're fine with running the arenas as they are right now. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 15, 2023 20:11:37 GMT -5
I'd be curious to know if touring is making them money. If not, it's time to explore maybe just running Daily's Place for awhile, and maybe running the PPVs or biggest shows elsewhere for a change. Smaller venues would be an option too. If you can reliably depend on selling a couple thousand tickets, maybe book theaters with a 900+ capacity and create some demand. Swear it feels like they're here in DFW every three months or so. I'm not bitching, but people have to miss you before they can want to see you again. I imagine they either break even or lose a little bit when the product is colder but they can afford that. I'm all for running some smaller buildings if it makes it look better on TV but I'd always do what you had in Toledo this weekend where you do 4K and it looks great even if the hardcam side empty than a sold out 2K arena where the camera shows a lot less fans than usual. You could try running Daily's Place more but that could lead to the brand getting TNA vibes which is a stink you don't want. It's also unpredictable weather wise and talent have said it's not always fun to work in. They're fine with running the arenas as they are right now. When Impact runs Dallas now, they normally go to The Factory. Hip venue in the cool neighborhood of Deep Ellum, officially has a 4k cap but that's if everyone is standing, they put up bleachers and seats, looks great on camera and it's been a "sell out" every time. When AEW comes here they run the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland. Part of the metroplex where basically no one goes just to hang out, very limited access by transit, 8500 capacity, lately looks pretty underpopulated on screen because AEW and NJPW have both run it a bunch in the last couple years. It's just me, but I think I know what the smarter strategy is. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 15, 2023 22:44:53 GMT -5
These venues are booked months and months in advance, so it's a lot easier said than done to book smaller venues. Like they might start doing that eventually, but we won't see it happen until 2024 at the earliest.
And some of the smaller venues Impact tapes in it looks like there's maybe a couple of hundred in there. It doesn't look good on TV at all. It's fine for a smaller promotion like Impact or ROH, but it'd look like crap for a larger promotion like AEW.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 15, 2023 22:55:23 GMT -5
The right size right now for AEW is probably college sized basketball/hockey arenas where they can run 3-5K and it will look pretty good and they can open it up to 6K if there's enough demand. Obviously it depends on the city. Some arenas are the right size but in an area that's harder to get to or on the rougher size. But generally that's a good bet.
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