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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 16, 2023 0:39:16 GMT -5
As far as Impact goes, I live in Tennessee and I've been to sky studio when they tape stuff. The place is tiny and always packed. But I also should point out that they give away LOTS of free tickets even then.
AEW should probably avoid those places but maybe shoot for places like ECW ran. They had some places that didn't look too tiny but looked nice on TV. Also most those places are probably no longer around.
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 16, 2023 5:18:55 GMT -5
Considering this is AEW's debut in Memphis and it's a 19 thousand capacity arena, this is pretty terrible.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 16, 2023 5:35:20 GMT -5
I don't know if it was specifically Jeff's idea to run bigger arenas with a higher price charge but I have to imagine they regret it
They need to run more arenas like Toledo, especially now that it's not just Dynamite you gotta get tickets for. I feel like Collision should be run in smaller more intimate venues. It'd also give it a different feel to Dynamite without it looking bad on camera imo
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 16, 2023 5:37:29 GMT -5
These venues are booked months and months in advance, so it's a lot easier said than done to book smaller venues. Like they might start doing that eventually, but we won't see it happen until 2024 at the earliest.
And some of the smaller venues Impact tapes in it looks like there's maybe a couple of hundred in there. It doesn't look good on TV at all. It's fine for a smaller promotion like Impact or ROH, but it'd look like crap for a larger promotion like AEW.
Yeah, if AEW books smaller, they need to book arenas like the ones in Miami and Washington More intimate looking crowds but still look really good on TV, essentially 2000 or so or above capacity This really isn't a situation where you want them to downsize to Daily's Place for every week, that's not going to help the "Small time promotion" trolling at all. |
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Post by Legion on Oct 16, 2023 6:34:40 GMT -5
I don't know if it was specifically Jeff's idea to run bigger arenas with a higher price charge but I have to imagine they regret it They need to run more arenas like Toledo, especially now that it's not just Dynamite you gotta get tickets for. I feel like Collision should be run in smaller more intimate venues. It'd also give it a different feel to Dynamite without it looking bad on camera imoThat's a really good idea. Make the show feel like it's the 'for the fans' show by making it smaller and more intimate feeling, maybe run the same places a bit to build up a hot and committed crowd, while also making others want to attend by seeing that. Keep Dynamite bigger, and promote the hell out of you coming to town using the bigger recognisable names you have. Jericho, Edge, Christian, the Hardys - all carry enough nostalgia to get even casuals and those just looking for something to do for the night interested. They can then be exposed to your 'home grown' talent and hopefully you pick up some new eyeballs. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 16, 2023 6:36:52 GMT -5
I don't know if it was specifically Jeff's idea to run bigger arenas with a higher price charge but I have to imagine they regret it They need to run more arenas like Toledo, especially now that it's not just Dynamite you gotta get tickets for. I feel like Collision should be run in smaller more intimate venues. It'd also give it a different feel to Dynamite without it looking bad on camera imo Don't know how true it is, but I saw it said that Cody was a big reason that AEW tickets were cheap while he was there. Like the advance tickets for the massive shows were cheaper than the advance tickets for Dynamite and Collision episodes now. He kept hammering it home to make the tickets cheap to get families there. The cheaper the tickets, the more people aren't just willing to buy them, but they're also willing to buy merchandise. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 16, 2023 6:41:14 GMT -5
When they were selling out show after show how big was the average building? I know when they originally came to Nashville they didn't run bridge stone they were doing the smaller one here.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 16, 2023 7:06:32 GMT -5
I'd like to see TK start running some smaller venues, minor-league hockey towns like Allentown, or Wheeling, or Rapid City (or as previously mentioned, Toledo).
Start making new towns so you don't burn out the major ones by running them so often.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 16, 2023 8:28:49 GMT -5
They could only start selling tickets to the Memphis show around a month ago because of the recent WWE show there which is unfortunate. I'mn sure it will get to around 3K by the time the show comes. It should look fine on TV.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 16, 2023 9:32:20 GMT -5
Collision seems to be a hard sell for AEW right now, in general. I think because it's not as much of a known commodity as Dynamite and because it still has the stink of the whole CM Punk situation attached to it.
It's just a bad situation. AEW almost certainly booked these larger venues shortly after Collision's debut with the mindset that it was going to be another A-show and feature Punk as the primary draw, and things just haven't worked out that way. E shills are going to have a field day with this because it's going to look especially sparse in FedEx Forum even if they manage to get up to 4,000, but things really aren't THAT bad and, in fact, remain historically good for the #2 wrestling company post-WCW. Moving forward, AEW definitely needs to downsize the venues it books for TV just a bit. No shame in that.
Also, for whatever it's worth, the Forum is historically not the world's best pro wrestling venue, for whatever reason. The last WWE show there with publicly available attendance numbers was January 6, 2023 for a SmackDown taping that only drew 6,000. I'm sure RAW in August was a bit higher just because the WWE product is hotter (I've seen it estimated at 7800 some places), but there is a roughly 0% chance that WWE had the hard cam side full at either of those shows given that the Forum seats 19,000. It's all super, super disingenuous in my opinion.
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 16, 2023 9:35:16 GMT -5
I'd like to see TK start running some smaller venues, minor-league hockey towns like Allentown, or Wheeling, or Rapid City (or as previously mentioned, Toledo). Start making new towns so you don't burn out the major ones by running them so often. One place I'm surprised they haven't run yet is Albuquerque, specially considering they actually announced a show in 2020 just before covid hit.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 16, 2023 12:20:27 GMT -5
Collision seems to be a hard sell for AEW right now, in general. I think because it's not as much of a known commodity as Dynamite and because it still has the stink of the whole CM Punk situation attached to it. It's just a bad situation. AEW almost certainly booked these larger venues shortly after Collision's debut with the mindset that it was going to be another A-show and feature Punk as the primary draw, and things just haven't worked out that way. E shills are going to have a field day with this because it's going to look especially sparse in FedEx Forum even if they manage to get up to 4,000, but things really aren't THAT bad and, in fact, remain historically good for the #2 wrestling company post-WCW. Moving forward, AEW definitely needs to downsize the venues it books for TV just a bit. No shame in that. Also, for whatever it's worth, the Forum is historically not the world's best pro wrestling venue, for whatever reason. The last WWE show there with publicly available attendance numbers was January 6, 2023 for a SmackDown taping that only drew 6,000. I'm sure RAW in August was a bit higher just because the WWE product is hotter (I've seen it estimated at 7800 some places), but there is a roughly 0% chance that WWE had the hard cam side full at either of those shows given that the Forum seats 19,000. It's all super, super disingenuous in my opinion. The 19,000 figure itself is super disingenuous. That's full capacity without anything obstructing seating sections like staging or floor space. Basketball capacity is around 17,000 and hockey is around 16,000. Capacity for a wrestling show, especially something with an elaborate stage like WWE TV or AEW is going to have hundreds (if not thousands) of seats blocked off just from that. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 16, 2023 13:17:53 GMT -5
2000 tickets sold is obviously not great less than a week out, but by comparison WWE had Raw at the FedEx Forum in August and it looks like they did about 7500 sold. Smackdown was there in January as well and did about 9000. So nowhere near the capacity of the building.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 16, 2023 13:34:40 GMT -5
Collision seems to be a hard sell for AEW right now, in general. I think because it's not as much of a known commodity as Dynamite and because it still has the stink of the whole CM Punk situation attached to it. It's just a bad situation. AEW almost certainly booked these larger venues shortly after Collision's debut with the mindset that it was going to be another A-show and feature Punk as the primary draw, and things just haven't worked out that way. E shills are going to have a field day with this because it's going to look especially sparse in FedEx Forum even if they manage to get up to 4,000, but things really aren't THAT bad and, in fact, remain historically good for the #2 wrestling company post-WCW. Moving forward, AEW definitely needs to downsize the venues it books for TV just a bit. No shame in that. Also, for whatever it's worth, the Forum is historically not the world's best pro wrestling venue, for whatever reason. The last WWE show there with publicly available attendance numbers was January 6, 2023 for a SmackDown taping that only drew 6,000. I'm sure RAW in August was a bit higher just because the WWE product is hotter (I've seen it estimated at 7800 some places), but there is a roughly 0% chance that WWE had the hard cam side full at either of those shows given that the Forum seats 19,000. It's all super, super disingenuous in my opinion. The 19,000 figure itself is super disingenuous. That's full capacity without anything obstructing seating sections like staging or floor space. Basketball capacity is around 17,000 and hockey is around 16,000. Capacity for a wrestling show, especially something with an elaborate stage like WWE TV or AEW is going to have hundreds (if not thousands) of seats blocked off just from that. That too, for sure. E drones love to harp on venue sizes when, at the very least, every wrestling show ever has a maximum capacity of approximately 3/4ths of the "maximum capacity" because of the entrance ramp, tron, etc... WWE is a hot product right now and is drawing higher attendance than AEW, but on a city-by-city basis AEW's attendance numbers aren't exactly what I would call laughable. Twitter is an exercise in comparing WWE's PPV attendance in, like, Philly, to AEW's TV attendance in Salt Like City and it's exhausting. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 16, 2023 13:44:07 GMT -5
The 19,000 figure itself is super disingenuous. That's full capacity without anything obstructing seating sections like staging or floor space. Basketball capacity is around 17,000 and hockey is around 16,000. Capacity for a wrestling show, especially something with an elaborate stage like WWE TV or AEW is going to have hundreds (if not thousands) of seats blocked off just from that. That too, for sure. E drones love to harp on venue sizes when, at the very least, every wrestling show ever has a maximum capacity of approximately 3/4ths of the "maximum capacity" because of the entrance ramp, tron, etc... WWE is a hot product right now and is drawing higher attendance than AEW, but on a city-by-city basis AEW's attendance numbers aren't exactly what I would call laughable. Twitter is an exercise in comparing WWE's PPV attendance in, like, Philly, to AEW's TV attendance in Salt Like City and it's exhausting. From a data standpoint, I'd like to see more data on WWE ticket sales per venue especially compared to when AEW runs in the same arena. Or at least ticket sales data less for the purposes for AEW doomposting or E-dronery.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 16, 2023 13:54:21 GMT -5
That too, for sure. E drones love to harp on venue sizes when, at the very least, every wrestling show ever has a maximum capacity of approximately 3/4ths of the "maximum capacity" because of the entrance ramp, tron, etc... WWE is a hot product right now and is drawing higher attendance than AEW, but on a city-by-city basis AEW's attendance numbers aren't exactly what I would call laughable. Twitter is an exercise in comparing WWE's PPV attendance in, like, Philly, to AEW's TV attendance in Salt Like City and it's exhausting. From a data standpoint, I'd like to see more data on WWE ticket sales per venue especially compared to when AEW runs in the same arena. Or at least ticket sales data less for the purposes for AEW doomposting or E-dronery.
Check out my post above for the comparison of FedEx Forum. From the WrestleTix posts, it looked like WWE was tarping off some of the upper deck on the hardcam side and putting between 8000 and 10000 tickets for sale. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 16, 2023 14:04:21 GMT -5
The 19,000 figure itself is super disingenuous. That's full capacity without anything obstructing seating sections like staging or floor space. Basketball capacity is around 17,000 and hockey is around 16,000. Capacity for a wrestling show, especially something with an elaborate stage like WWE TV or AEW is going to have hundreds (if not thousands) of seats blocked off just from that. That too, for sure. E drones love to harp on venue sizes when, at the very least, every wrestling show ever has a maximum capacity of approximately 3/4ths of the "maximum capacity" because of the entrance ramp, tron, etc... WWE is a hot product right now and is drawing higher attendance than AEW, but on a city-by-city basis AEW's attendance numbers aren't exactly what I would call laughable. Twitter is an exercise in comparing WWE's PPV attendance in, like, Philly, to AEW's TV attendance in Salt Like City and it's exhausting. I don't know why some people act like this board is crawling with hordes of e-drones hiding just beneath the surface. (I know, I know, "That's just what an e-drone would say!") |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 16, 2023 14:20:30 GMT -5
That too, for sure. E drones love to harp on venue sizes when, at the very least, every wrestling show ever has a maximum capacity of approximately 3/4ths of the "maximum capacity" because of the entrance ramp, tron, etc... WWE is a hot product right now and is drawing higher attendance than AEW, but on a city-by-city basis AEW's attendance numbers aren't exactly what I would call laughable. Twitter is an exercise in comparing WWE's PPV attendance in, like, Philly, to AEW's TV attendance in Salt Like City and it's exhausting. I don't know why some people act like this board is crawling with hordes of e-drones hiding just beneath the surface. (I know, I know, "That's just what an e-drone would say!") Lol, none of us are even remotely doing that. We are all responding to Tweets, from Twitter/X, where there are hordes of E-drones openly trolling and not even bothering to try and hide beneath the surface, which have been posted here. EDIT: And I even said "Twitter is an exercise..." so I wasn't talking about anyone here. This forum is as grounded of a place to talk about fake sports as exists on the internet. |
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 20, 2023 10:48:35 GMT -5
I understand they are desperately trying to sell tickets, but doing this is pretty embarrassing for the second biggest company in the world
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Post by HIM on Oct 20, 2023 11:27:16 GMT -5
Yeah I saw that and all I kept thinking about CM Punk's comments about a "buy one get one free sale" that had people spinning their shirts over their heads like they're Petey Pablo.
Before I entered this thread today I thought it was gonna be that post by that extreme Sting fan who went viral for the lack of seats during Sting announcing his retirement. That man was furious.
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