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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 30, 2022 15:56:36 GMT -5
AEW really needs to broaden thier horizons. They seem to hit like the same 5 or 6 cities.
In modern times, fans get bored.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 30, 2022 15:57:07 GMT -5
Probably a combo of all of what has been mentioned
Freshness of AEW no longer there, novelty of AEW in general not being there, the product is fine but there’s nothing really big going on, using the same places over and over
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Post by XIII on Sept 30, 2022 16:06:05 GMT -5
Could possibly have to do with football season being a minor contributor too. NFL tix/attendance are stupid expensive and for people that would maybe go to an AEW show they may get passed up for someone going to a game. Especially when you constantly run Chicago. I don’t care what else they do, but they need to chill on Chicago for a minute.
There’s tons of places where I think they could draw pretty good: Minneapolis, maybe Milwaukee, Dallas, Austin, Houston, off the top of my head. Kind of weird that they don’t run Texas more and feature the Lucha Bros and other Lucha guys a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 16:11:29 GMT -5
Sounds weird but I hope the low ticket sales do not impact the overall sales of the game too...Feels like if they could have gotten it out sooner it would have had a better chance. I want that engine to stay alive. Going to be interesting to see how things evolve as I agree with the sentiment that the new has worn off.
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Post by Facetious on Sept 30, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
AEW really needs to broaden thier horizons. They seem to hit like the same 5 or 6 cities. In modern times, fans get bored. Like if I hit up ALL the Chicago shows even WITH the cheaper seating, I'm still dropping 100 plus a ticket with fees. Then parking, gas, tolls (f*** Chicago Skyway), food and drinks, and maybe merch, I'm dropping at least 200 for each event. And that's just me alone, imagine a family trying to go to each and every show and unless you have a ton of money to blow willy nilly, it isn't viable. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 30, 2022 17:45:32 GMT -5
Yeah, reaaaallllly not buying this Punk argument. I think it's more attributable to the fact that the show is just WORSE than it was a year ago. Punk had been the top babyface for the better part of a year, won all of his feuds, and in his last match beat Mox. Dude has wrestled his last match for AEW, but didn't put anyone over and pass on his heat to anyone on his way out. He also absolutely buried another top babyface (Hangman) during his last month in the company. Losing your top babyface will have an effect, especially if that babyface didn't put anyone over beforehand and was such a massive f***head that he buried one of the companies top stars. So while I would say it's more the product not being as compelling as it was a year ago, Punk going away has almost certainly has had an effect. Eh, AEW's fanbase knows Punk went off-script for all that. Any consequences won't be stalled momentum because he didn't put anyone over, but rather backlash created by contrarians who already hate the elite, and I dunno AEW can really trust them to be regular viewers anyway. I think what a lot of people are calling "AEW's novelty has worn off" is actually "AEW's disorganized booking has permeated everything and made it all feel kinda pointless." |
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 30, 2022 18:12:34 GMT -5
Albany, Buffalo, NYC are also in different parts of the state, the drive to either three is painfully long. Seriously, I feel like as far as eastern states go, people forget how big New York state actually is about as often as people forget how LONG top to bottom Florida actually is (I say with unpleasant memories of driving to Disney, crossing the FL/GA border and going YAY we're almost there, and then... yeah, Orlando isn't "almost there"). Albany might look straight up the road on a map, but even via the thruway it's a haul from Westchester, let alone if you were coming from the city proper. Ditto for having distinct Newark and Long Island shows. ESPECIALLY Long Island shows. I go to a lot of Mets games, and just getting to Citi Field, right by Arthur Ashe in Flushing, from Jersey City without having to take my car involves hopping a bus to the Port Authority and then the 7 train to Mets/Willets Point (praying to get the express), which takes me about an hour total. Flushing is less than 15 miles from my apartment, and that's how long it takes via transit...and it's worse when you go to a show/game that ends late, because then you'll get back to the Port Authority and waiting a long ass time for a bus home. Could try the PATH train, but that's a similarly long wait once it's past 10pm. I could just drive, but doing so during rush hour just blows, and worse is the ridiculous amount of money you pay in tolls for the trip: $16 to ride the George Washington Bridge, around $13 to go both ways on the RFK Triboro, then whatever the hell it costs to park depending on the venue/event, as opposed to something like $14 combined for the bus/train out there. All of that being said...if AEW ran this area less and only had one show, say, at the new Long Island arena or something, I'd probably try a lot harder to get a ticket to that show. But since I feel confident they'll be back in Newark at some point soon enough and know that they'll run Queens once a year I just tell myself it's not worth the aggravation. Still, given the enormous population in every direction around here it's not like they're really hurting for attendance, either. |
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Post by markymark on Sept 30, 2022 18:36:53 GMT -5
Punk had been the top babyface for the better part of a year, won all of his feuds, and in his last match beat Mox. Dude has wrestled his last match for AEW, but didn't put anyone over and pass on his heat to anyone on his way out. He also absolutely buried another top babyface (Hangman) during his last month in the company. Losing your top babyface will have an effect, especially if that babyface didn't put anyone over beforehand and was such a massive f***head that he buried one of the companies top stars. So while I would say it's more the product not being as compelling as it was a year ago, Punk going away has almost certainly has had an effect. Eh, AEW's fanbase knows Punk went off-script for all that. Any consequences won't be stalled momentum because he didn't put anyone over, but rather backlash created by contrarians who already hate the elite, and I dunno AEW can really trust them to be regular viewers anyway. I think what a lot of people are calling "AEW's novelty has worn off" is actually "AEW's disorganized booking has permeated everything and made it all feel kinda pointless."
More like "CM Punk stupidity led to the original booking plans to be scratched(Punk vs MJF, Elite as Trios champ) and All Out PPV rendered useles thus we were to reset "
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Post by Ringmaster on Sept 30, 2022 19:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 1:40:21 GMT -5
Running the same cities has hurt them a bit. It’s kinda related to Chicago cooling in Punk too. Last August was magic but when you see the guy seven times in year and twice in some weeks the magic wears off. That can be said for brand as a whole in some markets.
Also it’s not like Raw or Smackdown where you know pretty much what your going to be getting each week. AEW has ppv worthy nights and then Dynamites like the one I went to in Nashville in February that was absolutely filler, then they had Rampage that had five heels going over in a row. The wind was sucked out the crowd by that point Tony started the trend of coming out with the goofy faces Danhausen, Best Friends, Hook, and Jurassic Express just to send the fans home happy. Unless they booked a really good show on paper im not going to another dynamite. I said the same thing about Raw after the Jason Jordan is Kurt Angle’s episode, I won’t go to weekly tv again.
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Post by sfvega on Oct 1, 2022 1:55:40 GMT -5
Can only speak for myself, but an upcoming event will be nearby, and I’ve already made the decision not to go. Money, travel and timing do not factor into it - I am just less interested in the company at this point as opposed to a year ago. Punk not being there is not a factor either, as I thought his return run was not great overall (and I have no interest in seeing him wrestle ever again because of it). The Elite potentially not being there does factor in a bit. Things could change, but I’d have to think at least some people feel the same way. At this time last year, you had all these big acquisitions showing up and Hangman's obvious coronation at Full Gear just around the corner. It was a car running downhill. Compared to now, when one of the wheels has fallen off. For sure, a night and day difference in momentum between then and now. It's not that the product has been bad, but it sure as hell hasn't been great either IMO. It's very repetitive. Mox wins the title. Jade squash. Hook squash. Eddie fights the JAS. Wardlow squash. Rinse, repeat. |
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Post by jimmycon on Oct 1, 2022 3:39:12 GMT -5
Can only speak for myself, but an upcoming event will be nearby, and I’ve already made the decision not to go. Money, travel and timing do not factor into it - I am just less interested in the company at this point as opposed to a year ago. Punk not being there is not a factor either, as I thought his return run was not great overall (and I have no interest in seeing him wrestle ever again because of it). The Elite potentially not being there does factor in a bit. Things could change, but I’d have to think at least some people feel the same way. At this time last year, you had all these big acquisitions showing up and Hangman's obvious coronation at Full Gear just around the corner. It was a car running downhill. Compared to now, when one of the wheels has fallen off. For sure, a night and day difference in momentum between then and now. It's not that the product has been bad, but it sure as hell hasn't been great either IMO. It's very repetitive. Mox wins the title. Jade squash. Hook squash. Eddie fights the JAS. Wardlow squash. Rinse, repeat. Yes, all of this. I’ve been a huge AEW fan and will stick with it, but for me what’s missing right now is that none of the character seem to be mid-story arc, aside from Daniel Garcia I guess, everybody else just seems to be doing stuff. The matches are still great but I’m less invested, compared with the early days where many (not all) characters seemed to be on an interesting journey of some sort. I know their plans have been derailed but that doesn’t make the show any more appealing, it just gives it a reason. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 1, 2022 3:55:03 GMT -5
... but for me what’s missing right now is that none of the character seem to be mid-story arc, aside from Daniel Garcia I guess, everybody else just seems to be doing stuff. Literally the only upside to AEW's creative structure is that Bryan Danielson and Chris Jericho can constantly be booking their own angles to get talented kids over, all the time. |
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Post by markymark on Oct 1, 2022 12:01:10 GMT -5
Ticket sales for next week shows so far: Dynamite 2975, Rampage 2548, the last time they were on DC Dynamite did 3700 and Rampage 3000.
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Post by Fade on Oct 1, 2022 12:10:39 GMT -5
At this time last year, you had all these big acquisitions showing up and Hangman's obvious coronation at Full Gear just around the corner. It was a car running downhill. Compared to now, when one of the wheels has fallen off. For sure, a night and day difference in momentum between then and now. It's not that the product has been bad, but it sure as hell hasn't been great either IMO. It's very repetitive. Mox wins the title. Jade squash. Hook squash. Eddie fights the JAS. Wardlow squash. Rinse, repeat. Yes, all of this. I’ve been a huge AEW fan and will stick with it, but for me what’s missing right now is that none of the character seem to be mid-story arc, aside from Daniel Garcia I guess, everybody else just seems to be doing stuff. The matches are still great but I’m less invested, compared with the early days where many (not all) characters seemed to be on an interesting journey of some sort.I know their plans have been derailed but that doesn’t make the show any more appealing, it just gives it a reason. I feel that 200%. Take Toni as an example: She’s been killing it as champ in the ring but where’s the story? Or when there is one, let’s say Christian-JungleBoy, it’s less than inspiring. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 1, 2022 12:14:34 GMT -5
I can kinda understand. Stories have been in crazy flux with injuries and then the Punk stuff happened and now 4 of your biggest stars are nowhere to be seen for the foreseeable future.
It just makes sense that stuff would dip. Hopefully they just stay the course and don’t hot shot things to hell. They should be ok
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 1, 2022 12:23:13 GMT -5
I get a lot of the points but I feel we are kind of putting a little much into the dates that are in NOV. Thats still a month from now and a lot can and will change. As they get closer and we see what is going on. I know the WWE stains have had a field say with it.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 1, 2022 12:36:21 GMT -5
I get a lot of the points but I feel we are kind of putting a little much into the dates that are in NOV. Thats still a month from now and a lot can and will change. As they get closer and we see what is going on. I know the WWE stains have had a field say with it. I agree. Fatalism towards AEW is trendy right now. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 1, 2022 12:38:02 GMT -5
I get a lot of the points but I feel we are kind of putting a little much into the dates that are in NOV. Thats still a month from now and a lot can and will change. As they get closer and we see what is going on. I know the WWE stains have had a field say with it. This is also a factor. Will they still ultimately be down? Yes and the Atlantic City number is especially bad. But the trend over the past year has shifted. AEW would sell 90% of its tickets on the first day. The second and third time they've come to town, more and more fans wait to buy because they want to know what's on the card first. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 1, 2022 13:02:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised with the TV ratings being so good but there's a huge difference between watching on TV and buying a ticket, maybe a hotel room, paying for travel etc. Plus as others have mentioned, if they're doing the same cities over and over, how many could feasibly go every time?
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