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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 16, 2022 8:18:15 GMT -5
Every aspect of the videogame industry needs to unionise, coders, testers, artists, actors.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 16, 2022 8:25:30 GMT -5
Person thinks they should be paid more. More news at 11.
She's been paid for whatever contract she signed previously. Didn't want to do the work for the pay? Don't sign the contract. That's the free market.
Yes I think 4000 is very low. Perhaps they wanted to move on from her and this was their way of doing it like jerks.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 16, 2022 11:18:20 GMT -5
Being watching this on twitter, and I honestly don't get the outrage. A job came up she was offered, money was low so she passed. Someone else got the job and was (probably) paid more. Bit shit but move on to your next gig. It's not like she did the work and then they under paid her. Or am I missing something? You're not missing anything, but oferring 4000 to play the main character of a game that will rake in hundreds of millions is a bit scummy, and isn't just happening here. Video games are the hugest they've ever been financially, so hopefully this leds to a snowball effect.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 11:22:22 GMT -5
Being watching this on twitter, and I honestly don't get the outrage. A job came up she was offered, money was low so she passed. Someone else got the job and was (probably) paid more. Bit shit but move on to your next gig. It's not like she did the work and then they under paid her. Or am I missing something? You're not missing anything, but oferring 4000 to play the main character of a game that will rake in hundreds of millions is a bit scummy, and isn't just happening here. Video games are the hugest they've ever been financially, so hopefully this leds to a snowball effect. Right and the undertone is it is not like they went cheaper, they did get Jen Hale who def cost them a pretty penny so they had the money to spend but way undervalued her. Once you are a valued name you do see the pay but in such a competitive industry you're still going to see shit like this when they have no union or anything to fall back on
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Post by mrtuesday on Oct 16, 2022 11:58:29 GMT -5
It sounds like Platinum really just wanted Jennifer Hale, who kinda a big deal in the voice acting world. As others have said, she doesn't come cheap.
What likely happened is that, contractually, they had to offer the role to Hellena Taylor first. But they purposely low-balled her knowing she'd say no. Then moved on to who they really wanted.
It sucks, but the entertainment business be that way sometimes.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2022 12:26:56 GMT -5
In general it really sucks how wildly disrespected and undervalued VAs are. People think that voice acting is this glamorous job, but all but the most prolific ones in the field need a day job just to make ends meet.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 12:31:44 GMT -5
In general it really sucks how wildly disrespected and undervalued VAs are. People think that voice acting is this glamorous job, but all but the most prolific ones in the field need a day job just to make ends meet. Yeah, until you actually make it, you're always doing something whether it be auditions, recording etc... You're basically making your money off elsewhere and then even once you get a little name value you're making money off cons, appearances and such Your Troy Bakers, Johnny Yong Boschs, Jennifer Hales, etc are set because they can always find something in mind and even then they never are not busy doing something but just don't have to hustle as hard.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2022 13:15:04 GMT -5
People think that voice acting is this glamorous job, but all but the most prolific ones in the field need a day job just to make ends meet. Yeah, until you actually make it, you're always doing something whether it be auditions, recording etc... You're basically making your money off elsewhere and then even once you get a little name value you're making money off cons, appearances and such Your Troy Bakers, Johnny Yong Boschs, Jennifer Hales, etc are set because they can always find something in mind and even then they never are not busy doing something but just don't have to hustle as hard. I saw Steve Blum talk at a panel at an anime con, and he said the difference between being someone at his level and someone first starting out is that he "only" gets rejected for about half of his auditions instead of like almost all of them. I thought about wanting to be a voice actor, but I can't handle that much outright rejection.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 13:25:57 GMT -5
Yeah, until you actually make it, you're always doing something whether it be auditions, recording etc... You're basically making your money off elsewhere and then even once you get a little name value you're making money off cons, appearances and such Your Troy Bakers, Johnny Yong Boschs, Jennifer Hales, etc are set because they can always find something in mind and even then they never are not busy doing something but just don't have to hustle as hard. I saw Steve Blum talk at a panel at an anime con, and he said the difference between being someone at his level and someone first starting out is that he "only" gets rejected for about half of his auditions instead of like almost all of them. I thought about wanting to be a voice actor, but I can't handle that much outright rejection. Yeah, it is like a weird situation. You work hard to get known but then you may risk being type casted. Blum basically does voices for everything so I can only imagine how much rejection he has gone through. Studios love him but then on the flip side you are also looking some new cheap talent as I assume Blum has a nice little price tag attached to his name. You really can't win for losing. Just a matter of always staying busy. Add in that the medium for video games is becoming more visual so you do need to physically act for some which helps. If you're someone like JYB, that has helped him thrive since he can do both and has shown it in games like Devil May Cry and Mortal Kombat. Troy Baker same thing since he can stretch his voice so much as well as act out his characters It is an ever changing industry
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2022 15:52:16 GMT -5
She sounds like a bitter person over being lowballed because they didnt want to give her the job.
She called the other voice actor a betrayer , the call to boycott a game over feeling insulted is ridiculous.
Add the fact that, hasnt had a voice acting job since 2014 and from what I read has acted bad for being replaced before(hellsing ultimate).
She sounds like a person that people dont enjoy to be around.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2022 15:53:53 GMT -5
That's f***ed she got so little However, someone correct me if I am wrong. Aren't they VA's paid upfront and the studio basically owns their voice when doing that game. They don't get residuals on game sales or anything like that right? It sucks she got so shortchanged She didnt get paid that little, its what they offered her, she was being lowballed. In fact they hired an uniozed voice actor in the role ,which is very respect and no doubt charged much more They simply didnt want her.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 15:55:09 GMT -5
She sounds like a bitter person over being lowballed because they didnt want to give her the job. She called the other voice actor a betrayer , the call to boycott a game over feeling insulted is ridiculous. That is where it will backfire on her Hale is a very good VA with a shit ton of fans and followings. When you call for a boycott of a game, that is going to be a tough sell. I feel for her that she got lowballed but pleading and talking about what a game stands for is not really going to work
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 15:56:38 GMT -5
That's f***ed she got so little However, someone correct me if I am wrong. Aren't they VA's paid upfront and the studio basically owns their voice when doing that game. They don't get residuals on game sales or anything like that right? It sucks she got so shortchanged She didnt get paid that little, its what they offered her, she was being lowballed. In fact they hired an uniozed voice actor in the role ,which is very respect and no doubt charged much more They simply didnt want her. That's what I meant by got, they short changed her like I said They def lowballed an offer knowing they didn't want her and went higher profile
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2022 15:56:54 GMT -5
She sounds like a bitter person over being lowballed because they didnt want to give her the job. She called the other voice actor a betrayer , the call to boycott a game over feeling insulted is ridiculous. That is where it will backfire on her Hale is a very good VA with a shit ton of fans and followings. When you call for a boycott of a game, that is going to be a tough sell. I feel for her that she got lowballed but pleading and talking about what a game stands for is not really going to work IMO, this is where people show what they stand for. If she has just spoke about her experience I think a lot of people would be behind her. The fact she is claiming to be "the one voice" of Bayonetta just seems like she is being petty and vindictive.Plus she had years to come out with all this and just now before the release? That is purely to hurt then.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 16, 2022 16:01:11 GMT -5
Related to this, Kamiya straight nuked his Twitter account. Didn’t like Twitter putting him in timeout I guess.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 16:13:36 GMT -5
That is where it will backfire on her Hale is a very good VA with a shit ton of fans and followings. When you call for a boycott of a game, that is going to be a tough sell. I feel for her that she got lowballed but pleading and talking about what a game stands for is not really going to work IMO, this is where people show what they stand for. If she has just spoke about her experience I think a lot of people would be behind her. The fact she is claiming to be "the one voice" of Bayonetta just seems like she is being petty and vindictive.Plus she had years to come out with all this and just now before the release? That is purely to hurt then. Oh no doubt this is def her being a little salty which can work in her benefit but rarely does. Like, I get her plight and feel for her but when you try to tear someone else down to make your point you come across bad. If roles were reversed she would would not like this done to her with the way she has described herself being out of work and her mindset It's a competitive industry and shit happens. You don't want to tear down your colleagues. You're still going to make money at the cons as the original Bayonetta VA. It is just shitty all around because the industry is shitty and a grind and something should be done about these lowball offers but it is something they should do as a unit and get together to figure it out. F*** Hideki Kamiya tho
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2022 17:01:21 GMT -5
Related to this, Kamiya straight nuked his Twitter account. Didn’t like Twitter putting him in timeout I guess. Score one for the insects.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 16, 2022 17:18:40 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the industry needs better conditions for all those who work in it but my opinion of this particular case really depends on how much work she is actually required to do as I have no idea how much time and effort it takes to record everything they need.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 16, 2022 17:26:03 GMT -5
Someone said she hasn't got a VA credit since 2014, so I imagine she's probably got a normal job the past 8 years and hasn't starved to death or living in a cardboard box. With a stunt like this I can't imagine a rush for anyone to use her for anything. Perhaps a ploy to raise her own profile?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 17:26:44 GMT -5
Let's not mince words here, Nintendo has a hell of a lot of money in the bank for titles and between development and marketing costs, its clear a lot has gone into the game for a while. A small budget raise for actors would hardly be that much to ask for if either they or Platinum actually cared. Nintendo only provides additional funding to the games for exchange of console exclusive rights. Their not involved in the development of the games. That falls on SEGA, who own the rights to Bayonetta and Platinum studios, who made the game.
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