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Post by champchumpchange on Oct 17, 2022 8:12:09 GMT -5
She comes off as so self-entitled in the last three videos of the four...
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Post by poodoojenkins on Oct 17, 2022 9:29:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who suspects her attitude might have something to do with her being replaced?
I mean, the woman is trying to make herself a martyr for being offered a pretty good sum of money for something that takes a few hours. This is after she turned down work after years of having basically no credits to her name.
I'd put my money on her not being worth the trouble, so they threw an amount out and let her hang herself.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 17, 2022 10:56:54 GMT -5
Not invalidating it at all, I even said that they could have given her a better offer. But when I see people struggling to feed a family and having to use food banks because the cost of living is so high, it’s hard for me to feel that sorry for someone who earned more in two days work than most people make in two months. I mean you should, its essentially a corporation deeming someone replaceable. Most VAs aren't union affiliated and aren't given the same protection as union actors. I used to have the same views on acting too but its a very taxing job emotionally and physically. All the money in the world can't compensate for the damage being done to vocal cords Yeah, a lot of video game voice acting especially is lots of yelling, screaming, grunting, and other "action noises." That's murder on the vocal chords. Worst case scenario, you develop polyps and need surgery to remove them. Even disregarding the cost of the actual procedure, it puts you on the shelf and barely able to even talk for a few months.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Oct 17, 2022 11:15:09 GMT -5
Just remember, even Queen replaced Freddie Mercury... Yes, well, there was a pretty good reason for that.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 17, 2022 12:08:50 GMT -5
Better example...
If the Simpsons can replace their voice actors...
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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Oct 17, 2022 12:59:24 GMT -5
I kindly ask that people please not belittle my entire industry with "it's just talking into a microphone" comments. Were it so simple, anyone would be able to do it at a high level.
There are lots of people working very hard and underpaid in all kinds of professions, but this doesn't mean she must be complacent with her situation.
A lot of the time is spent working on and recording auditions, and being readily available to do so and accept bookings on very short notice. What she's requesting may seem like a huge amount, but keep in mind that the vast majority of VAs are NOT swimming in money. Far from it. Despite constantly auditioning, that might be her only decently paying role in the span of several months, as is the case for many.
And I absolutely believe that programmers and artists SHOULD be paid more and are often taken advantage of as well.
An actor in Zelda: Breath of the Wild noted that he made significantly more money from the indie game Freedom Planet, because it actually offered a small share of revenue to its performers.
I'll also note that there's no way Jennifer Hale knew what she was auditioning for and the story behind it. Games like this are always auditioned under codenames.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 17, 2022 13:15:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope there's no-one turning against Jennifer Hale for this as it doesn't seem like she did anything wrong.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 17, 2022 13:31:30 GMT -5
I kindly ask that people please not belittle my entire industry with "it's just talking into a microphone" comments. Were it so simple, anyone would be able to do it at a high level. There are lots of people working very hard and underpaid in all kinds of professions, but this doesn't mean she must be complacent with her situation. A lot of the time is spent working on and recording auditions, and being readily available to do so and accept bookings on very short notice. What she's requesting may seem like a huge amount, but keep in mind that the vast majority of VAs are NOT swimming in money. Far from it. Despite constantly auditioning, that might be her only decently paying role in the span of several months, as is the case for many. And I absolutely believe that programmers and artists SHOULD be paid more and are often taken advantage of as well. An actor in Zelda: Breath of the Wild noted that he made significantly more money from the indie game Freedom Planet, because it actually offered a small share of revenue to its performers. I'll also note that there's no way Jennifer Hale knew what she was auditioning for and the story behind it. Games like this are always auditioned under codenames. Exactly what I was trying to explain
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 17, 2022 13:55:16 GMT -5
Is that like being a tracer in comics?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 17, 2022 17:36:33 GMT -5
"why is she mad about only being offered $4000?"
Because the last Bayonetta sold over a million copies and made people probably a collective $40 million
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 17, 2022 17:41:23 GMT -5
Is that like being a tracer in comics?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Oct 17, 2022 18:21:41 GMT -5
Being watching this on twitter, and I honestly don't get the outrage. A job came up she was offered, money was low so she passed. Someone else got the job and was (probably) paid more. Bit shit but move on to your next gig. It's not like she did the work and then they under paid her. Or am I missing something? Agreed, I think she hurt her case warning Jennifer Hale not to sign her name as Bayonetta. That's just sour grapes. Keep Jennifer Hale out of this. There's a discussion to be had about money for voice actors in the gaming industry, but calling out Jennifer is bs.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Oct 17, 2022 19:44:38 GMT -5
What the heck is she on about in the betrayal and (Hale) better not sign her name as Bayonetta bit? Woman walked her argument off a cliff.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 17, 2022 20:12:08 GMT -5
What the heck is she on about in the betrayal and (Hale) better not sign her name as Bayonetta bit? Woman walked her argument off a cliff. I only think she says that because Hale spoke out about how the VA should get more respect and not be replaced in long term roles
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 17, 2022 20:35:13 GMT -5
Yeah, Hale deserves zero blame here. As mentioned above by our friendly local voice actor, a lot of auditions are done with codenames. She likely also wasn't told the story (or told one very much biased in the game publisher's favor) of why the original VA wasn't coming back.
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on Oct 18, 2022 14:16:52 GMT -5
According to a Bloomberg article, Taylor wasn't offered 4,000 for the whole game, but 3-4,000 per session with an expectation of at least five sessions. Taylor's counteroffer was 100,000+ along with residuals.
That...changes things a bit.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 18, 2022 14:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 18, 2022 16:20:49 GMT -5
Alright, this ended up not being a good look for Taylor. Some less-than-savory things about her (which go against Board Rule #1) have also come to light.
But just because she's being milkshake ducked doesn't invalidate all the struggles voice actors outside of the creme of the crop go through otherwise.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Oct 18, 2022 16:25:03 GMT -5
So she lied by omission at best, and just straight up lied at worst.
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Post by chrom on Oct 18, 2022 16:28:06 GMT -5
So it turns out she was lying through her teeth the entire time.
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