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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 16, 2022 18:15:47 GMT -5
Related to this, Kamiya straight nuked his Twitter account. Didn’t like Twitter putting him in timeout I guess.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 16, 2022 18:19:47 GMT -5
Related to this, Kamiya straight nuked his Twitter account. Didn’t like Twitter putting him in timeout I guess. He realized he tweeted in English, and true to his rules(he blocks anyone who doesn’t tweet in Japanese at him), he blocked himself. “A man needs to have principles.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 18:37:34 GMT -5
I actually wont surpised if they lowballed the voice actor because they dont have the funds to pay her due to the game being in development hell for the last couple years. Kind of doubt that's the case just because the replacement's Jennifer Hale and I'd have to imagine she'd be much more expensive. yeah there has to be a lot more to this Hale probably cost a ton
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2022 19:12:40 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the industry needs better conditions for all those who work in it but my opinion of this particular case really depends on how much work she is actually required to do as I have no idea how much time and effort it takes to record everything they need. About 16 hours over four sessions, based on her own interviews about recording for the first two games. Looking at Hellena's IMDb and official website, she's not had any notable credits since 2014 and Bayonetta is her only featured role, so offering something low but still above rate seems somewhat understandable from a business point of view. No doubt a bitter pill to swallow, given her history with the character, but as others have said, tearing down a fellow VA for accepting a job in an insanely competitive industry is the wrong way to react.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 19:36:18 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the industry needs better conditions for all those who work in it but my opinion of this particular case really depends on how much work she is actually required to do as I have no idea how much time and effort it takes to record everything they need. About 16 hours over four sessions, based on her own interviews about recording for the first two games. Looking at Hellena's IMDb and official website, she's not had any notable credits since 2014 and Bayonetta is her only featured role, so offering something low but still above rate seems somewhat understandable from a business point of view. No doubt a bitter pill to swallow, given her history with the character, but as others have said, tearing down a fellow VA for accepting a job in an insanely competitive industry is the wrong way to react. Sort of reminds me of Dimaggio situation with Futurama and voicing Bender with his whole "bendergate" situation. He told them no and was in a hold out for more money because he didn't think he was getting enough. Once fans got wind of this they got up the studios ass He admitted tho he didn't get the money he was looking for but got the respect of the studio knowing they couldn't just replace him
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Post by Facetious on Oct 16, 2022 21:21:03 GMT -5
While I don't like them doing her dirty like this, I hate the idea of boycotting a game that numerous people put long hours into because of one misdeed.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2022 22:02:23 GMT -5
While I don't like them doing her dirty like this, I hate the idea of boycotting a game that numerous people put long hours into because of one misdeed. I think it depends what it is. Like something like this, ehhh, I'm not interested in Bayonetta 3 anyway but it probably wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. Flipside of that though like hell am I dropping money on an Activision or an Ubisoft game.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Oct 16, 2022 22:05:01 GMT -5
She's a regular Eddie Mansfield. If she can't make money off this game. Nobody should.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 22:16:41 GMT -5
Since Bayonetta 3 and Call Of Duty MW2 is coming out on the same days, I do find it funny that there are some people on the internet that are going to boycott Bayonetta 3 by buying MW2 instead. Like congratulations on supporting a company that make Platinum studios look like saints.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 16, 2022 22:22:26 GMT -5
Jennifer Hale has been liking tweets that say she probably has an NDA, and didn't know about the situation before she signed up.
I'm assuming this is all she can do
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 16, 2022 22:24:48 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the industry needs better conditions for all those who work in it but my opinion of this particular case really depends on how much work she is actually required to do as I have no idea how much time and effort it takes to record everything they need. About 16 hours over four sessions, based on her own interviews about recording for the first two games. Looking at Hellena's IMDb and official website, she's not had any notable credits since 2014 and Bayonetta is her only featured role, so offering something low but still above rate seems somewhat understandable from a business point of view. No doubt a bitter pill to swallow, given her history with the character, but as others have said, tearing down a fellow VA for accepting a job in an insanely competitive industry is the wrong way to react. Gotta say I’m not feeling that sorry for her. Yes, they probably could have offered her a better deal but at a time when people are struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes, I’m not going to feel that bad for someone who “only” gets 4 grand for sixteen hours of what is basically talking into a microphone.
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Post by Breadville on Oct 16, 2022 23:13:26 GMT -5
About 16 hours over four sessions, based on her own interviews about recording for the first two games. Looking at Hellena's IMDb and official website, she's not had any notable credits since 2014 and Bayonetta is her only featured role, so offering something low but still above rate seems somewhat understandable from a business point of view. No doubt a bitter pill to swallow, given her history with the character, but as others have said, tearing down a fellow VA for accepting a job in an insanely competitive industry is the wrong way to react. Gotta say I’m not feeling that sorry for her. Yes, they probably could have offered her a better deal but at a time when people are struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes, I’m not going to feel that bad for someone who “only” gets 4 grand for sixteen hours of what is basically talking into a microphone. I feel for her, but yeah, on a selfish level, my pity isn't exactly overflowing. My wife and I teach and bring home a little over 4K/month COMBINED. Maybe it is because I grew up dirt poor, but when I hear her talking about 'only' making 4K, I am thinking about how I would jump all over that for $4,000.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 17, 2022 1:27:42 GMT -5
About 16 hours over four sessions, based on her own interviews about recording for the first two games. Looking at Hellena's IMDb and official website, she's not had any notable credits since 2014 and Bayonetta is her only featured role, so offering something low but still above rate seems somewhat understandable from a business point of view. No doubt a bitter pill to swallow, given her history with the character, but as others have said, tearing down a fellow VA for accepting a job in an insanely competitive industry is the wrong way to react. Gotta say I’m not feeling that sorry for her. Yes, they probably could have offered her a better deal but at a time when people are struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes, I’m not going to feel that bad for someone who “only” gets 4 grand for sixteen hours of what is basically talking into a microphone. Its not as easy as it looks
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 17, 2022 1:33:36 GMT -5
Gotta say I’m not feeling that sorry for her. Yes, they probably could have offered her a better deal but at a time when people are struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes, I’m not going to feel that bad for someone who “only” gets 4 grand for sixteen hours of what is basically talking into a microphone. Its not as easy as it looks Never said it looked easy. But I’m still sure there are many people with jobs far more exhausting both mentally and physically that pay a hell of a lot less.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 17, 2022 1:40:11 GMT -5
Its not as easy as it looks Never said it looked easy. But I’m still sure there are many people with jobs far more exhausting both mentally and physically that pay a hell of a lot less. VAs especially indy ones get shortchanged a lot. Very few are making big bucks and get shortchanged by studios. Even fewer get paid by studios and have to rely on studios. And just because other jobs are shittier dont make bad business practices less worse. It semi sounds like you're invalidating peoples struggles. Which I dont think you are
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 17, 2022 2:03:38 GMT -5
Never said it looked easy. But I’m still sure there are many people with jobs far more exhausting both mentally and physically that pay a hell of a lot less. VAs especially indy ones get shortchanged a lot. Very few are making big bucks and get shortchanged by studios. Even fewer get paid by studios and have to rely on studios. And just because other jobs are shittier dont make bad business practices less worse. It semi sounds like you're invalidating peoples struggles. Which I dont think you are Not invalidating it at all, I even said that they could have given her a better offer. But when I see people struggling to feed a family and having to use food banks because the cost of living is so high, it’s hard for me to feel that sorry for someone who earned more in two days work than most people make in two months.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 17, 2022 2:08:56 GMT -5
VAs especially indy ones get shortchanged a lot. Very few are making big bucks and get shortchanged by studios. Even fewer get paid by studios and have to rely on studios. And just because other jobs are shittier dont make bad business practices less worse. It semi sounds like you're invalidating peoples struggles. Which I dont think you are Not invalidating it at all, I even said that they could have given her a better offer. But when I see people struggling to feed a family and having to use food banks because the cost of living is so high, it’s hard for me to feel that sorry for someone who earned more in two days work than most people make in two months. I mean you should, its essentially a corporation deeming someone replaceable. Most VAs aren't union affiliated and aren't given the same protection as union actors. I used to have the same views on acting too but its a very taxing job emotionally and physically. All the money in the world can't compensate for the damage being done to vocal cords
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 17, 2022 3:04:23 GMT -5
Not invalidating it at all, I even said that they could have given her a better offer. But when I see people struggling to feed a family and having to use food banks because the cost of living is so high, it’s hard for me to feel that sorry for someone who earned more in two days work than most people make in two months. I mean you should, its essentially a corporation deeming someone replaceable. Most VAs aren't union affiliated and aren't given the same protection as union actors. I used to have the same views on acting too but its a very taxing job emotionally and physically. All the money in the world can't compensate for the damage being done to vocal cords Again, I’m not saying I have no sympathy for her. I’ve worked jobs that didn’t have Unions affiliated with them and have done more work in a week than the powers that be do in a year and I obviously got paid a fraction of what they did. Is it a perfect system, of course not but that’s how business works and will continue to work forever and a day. The people in charge here seem worse than the usual bunch of CEOs but they did offer her a job. She declined that job, so of course they replaced her. I agree with her that there are people all over the world who don’t get paid enough for what they do but when you compare yourself to people like UK Nurses, who have been especially under strain the last few years, that’s when my sympathy starts to decrease. I’m not saying her health issues are any less important than others but I will personally sympathise more with a Nurse than her. That doesn’t mean her complaint isn’t valid, it just means I personally feel less sympathy. The boycott will make no difference. We’ve all heard the horror stories of how programmers were working 120 hour weeks in the lead-up to a massive release. I (and I do think most people) sympathised with them. But did it stop people in any significant number from buying them? No. If Bayonetta 3 doesn’t sell well, I think it’s more to do with there just not being the mass interest in that game. I own the first two games and they were both decent but IMO overrated.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 17, 2022 3:09:02 GMT -5
Isn't this like those massive corporations that make billions but pay their workers peanuts (not gonna mention names)? Except I wouldn't call 4 grand for half a weeks work peanuts.
Just remember, even Queen replaced Freddie Mercury...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 5:42:20 GMT -5
I mean you should, its essentially a corporation deeming someone replaceable. Most VAs aren't union affiliated and aren't given the same protection as union actors. I used to have the same views on acting too but its a very taxing job emotionally and physically. All the money in the world can't compensate for the damage being done to vocal cords Again, I’m not saying I have no sympathy for her. I’ve worked jobs that didn’t have Unions affiliated with them and have done more work in a week than the powers that be do in a year and I obviously got paid a fraction of what they did. Is it a perfect system, of course not but that’s how business works and will continue to work forever and a day. The people in charge here seem worse than the usual bunch of CEOs but they did offer her a job. She declined that job, so of course they replaced her. I agree with her that there are people all over the world who don’t get paid enough for what they do but when you compare yourself to people like UK Nurses, who have been especially under strain the last few years, that’s when my sympathy starts to decrease. I’m not saying her health issues are any less important than others but I will personally sympathise more with a Nurse than her. That doesn’t mean her complaint isn’t valid, it just means I personally feel less sympathy. The boycott will make no difference. We’ve all heard the horror stories of how programmers were working 120 hour weeks in the lead-up to a massive release. I (and I do think most people) sympathised with them. But did it stop people in any significant number from buying them? No. If Bayonetta 3 doesn’t sell well, I think it’s more to do with there just not being the mass interest in that game. I own the first two games and they were both decent but IMO overrated. Our nurses are hugely underpaid. She's also being arguably underpaid. Can have sympathy for both. Tbh I respect her for putting her foot down and fighting her corner. The system sucks, as you say so massive credit to her for doing what little she can do against it. I haven't played a Bayonetta game so don't have that connection to it. But the futurama example is good. Know your worth and don't accept anything else.
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