So.....what's Thunder Rosa's injury?

[Kalmia]

I'm not against interim titles but I do think AEW needs to set time limits on interim champs. If the full champ isn't back in 30/60/90 days, then the interim champ becomes recognized as the full champ. Leaving it open-ended and dragging on doesn't do anyone any favors. You can still run the match when the injured champ is back, it just becomes a regular title match instead of a unification match.

I feel for Toni because been doing a great job as the champ. I'd definitely give her the win when Rosa is back.

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Oct 17, 2022 7:04:38 GMT -5 champchumpchange said:

Didn’t Toni sort of insinuate that TR was faking her injury during that press conference? It obviously got lost in all of the Punk shenanigans but she said something like “Rosa is “injured” apparently (Toni did the air quotes) and when she decides she isn’t injured anymore, she can come back and lose to me…”

Yep that is what i was referring to earlier...That was pretty telling as it was the complete opposite of how their friendship was portrayed on screen

[Mid-Carder]

I like Rosa a lot but her title reign had run its course and Toni is having great match after great match. Whenever the unification happens hopefully Toni wins. Maybe a Rosa heel run after she loses?

[asuka007]

Interim Champs are a nice idea in theory.

But in practice, less so.

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I called TR having a back injury way back when she lost the PPV match with Britt only to win it at "the home crowd" show.

It's only because I have some severe back problems and know exactly what that pain looks like and how it affects your gait, how you walk, how you move, and everything you do.

Rosa's got a chip on her shoulder. I can't deny that and while I love her as a performer I can see her being a real pain in the ass to deal with.

Everyone saying that she pulled a Shawn and lost her smile though are kind of being dickheads.

[dreidemy]

If the interim champ reaches more days with the title than the champ just make it the official champ

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Although I understand the appeal of the interim thing, I really hate it too.

My main issue with it is what it does to title lineages.

So, is Toni champion, or not? Or just interim champion? Are they both champion? If Toni loses the unification match does that mean she was never champion? But if she was champion, what was Rosa during that time frame? How long was Rosa's reign? Does Toni's reign start the second she beats Rosa? If that's now a new reign, is she a two-time champion?

There may well be answers to some or all of the above questions, but I just think the whole thing makes the lineages complicated.

Also, for f***'s sake will someone stop AEW talent from publicly burying each other? We give WWE shit for that too, as we should then as well.

[markymark]

Meltzer said AEW has lately not been booking Thunder Rosa’s friends, which include KiLynn King (who seemed she was about to be elevated), Madi Wrenkowski and Jazmin Allure. He is not sure what the story is by the way

-On the Thunder Rosa thing, Dave also wrote that it was "noted to him". So it seems like whoever told him from AEW about that that there's a deeper story to it

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

KiLynn is the only one of those who is really notable. Jazmin hasn't been booked in a year and a half, and Madi had only gotten a spot here and there in that time.

[Schizo]

Oct 21, 2022 6:22:27 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Although I understand the appeal of the interim thing, I really hate it too.

My main issue with it is what it does to title lineages.

So, is Toni champion, or not? Or just interim champion? Are they both champion? If Toni loses the unification match does that mean she was never champion? But if she was champion, what was Rosa during that time frame? How long was Rosa's reign? Does Toni's reign start the second she beats Rosa? If that's now a new reign, is she a two-time champion?

“And where the hell was I?”


sorry, couldn’t help myself

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Oct 21, 2022 9:55:06 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Oct 21, 2022 6:22:27 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Although I understand the appeal of the interim thing, I really hate it too.

My main issue with it is what it does to title lineages.

So, is Toni champion, or not? Or just interim champion? Are they both champion? If Toni loses the unification match does that mean she was never champion? But if she was champion, what was Rosa during that time frame? How long was Rosa's reign? Does Toni's reign start the second she beats Rosa? If that's now a new reign, is she a two-time champion?

“And where the hell was I?”


sorry, couldn’t help myself

Why did I bring helium instead of air?

[markymark]

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Oct 21, 2022 9:34:31 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

KiLynn is the only one of those who is really notable. Jazmin hasn't been booked in a year and a half, and Madi had only gotten a spot here and there in that time.

OK, add-on that I can't think of a reason not to make: it's also really depressing if KiLynn King, a good hand at worst who was in AEW before Rosa was and was a trooper throughout the pandemic, who is now one of the most solid women's prospects on the indies, is perceived as only worth hiring as a nepotism hire, whether it be through Cody (as seemed to be the case before he left) or through Rosa.

Or hell, it could just be that annoyingly characteristic TK booking thing where there was a plan for King that involved Rosa and therefore she's on ice until then.

But that comes with the caveat that I have no knowledge whatsoever of what the locker room situation looks like. There's no telling, from the fan side, what the situation is when you're dealing with the actual human beings involved rather than just watching on screen, as we've seen in more spectacular fashion than I would prefer lately.

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Oct 21, 2022 11:09:14 GMT -5 markymark said:

Sigh.

It's like she says something that's absolutely true and correct ("I didn't book myself to be champion") and then just doubles down on some of it in really weird, bitchy ways like calling out Toni like that.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Oct 21, 2022 11:09:14 GMT -5 markymark said:

She was so close. So close!

[Mid-Carder]

Oct 21, 2022 11:09:14 GMT -5 markymark said:

I agree with her about all of it though. Shes not booking herself and being injured and people openly doubting it must be really shitty.

I'm a big fan of Toni Storm and think she's been a way better champion than Rosa, but it was Toni who made the comment publicly first.

[Lizuka #BLM]

I really just see absolutely no upside to the whole interim thing. You can always have the injured champion just get a title shot first thing when they return if you want to do that, and if you don't then it doesn't lock you into it and you can have them do something else away from the belt for a bit first. The only real argument in its favor seems to be, "Well, real sports do it!" and that argument just isn't good enough to me.

[Blade]

Oct 21, 2022 12:54:33 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Sigh.

It's like she says something that's absolutely true and correct ("I didn't book myself to be champion") and then just doubles down on some of it in really weird, bitchy ways like calling out Toni like that.

If that was "weird and bitchy", then so was Toni for insinuating it in the first place.

Granted, if at this point there is not a hard and fast rule to not do shit like that, and if Toni was not told to apologise to Rosa, then Khan is a dumbass who deserves what he gets when the next locker room flareup causes a PR disaster or costs him more valuable workers.

[Blade]

Oct 21, 2022 13:05:17 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I really just see absolutely no upside to the whole interim thing. You can always have the injured champion just get a title shot first thing when they return if you want to do that, and if you don't then it doesn't lock you into it and you can have them do something else away from the belt for a bit first. The only real argument in its favor seems to be, "Well, real sports do it!" and that argument just isn't good enough to me.

I don't see a downside to it.

The problem is that AEW has done some bad things with it (and also had bad luck), but there's nothing inherently wrong with it as a standard practice. 

All rules in wrestling exist primarily to tell a story; there's lots of stories you can tell with this, just like there's lots of stories that can come out of injured champions being stripped of the belt. It also has the benefit of being pretty consistent, unlike WWE's practice of "strip the belt, unless we don't wanna".

[Schizo]

Oct 21, 2022 13:19:30 GMT -5 Blade said:

Oct 21, 2022 13:05:17 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I really just see absolutely no upside to the whole interim thing. You can always have the injured champion just get a title shot first thing when they return if you want to do that, and if you don't then it doesn't lock you into it and you can have them do something else away from the belt for a bit first. The only real argument in its favor seems to be, "Well, real sports do it!" and that argument just isn't good enough to me.

I don't see a downside to it.

The problem is that AEW has done some bad things with it (and also had bad luck), but there's nothing inherently wrong with it as a standard practice. 

All rules in wrestling exist primarily to tell a story; there's lots of stories you can tell with this, just like there's lots of stories that can come out of injured champions being stripped of the belt. It also has the benefit of being pretty consistent, unlike WWE's practice of "strip the belt, unless we don't wanna".

Honestly, I would rather have had them strip the belt off Rosa and just have Toni win the belt

I agree with Lizuka though, this whole “interim” thing is just absolutely ridiculous and just stupid. Calling Toni the Interim Champion just makes it sound like “not the real champion, just a placeholder until the real Champion gets back”. So its really hard for me to get invested in Toni Storms reign when they keep reminding you that she’s the “interim” Champion.

And it just raises a lot of unnecessary confusion among the interim Chanpion thing, no matter how AEW tried to explain it, it doesn’t answer anything, like are there two
woman’s Champions reigns going on right now? or how long will Toni continue to be the interim Champion if there’s no timetable for Rosa’s return? If someone else beats Toni for the title is the next champion still the interim champion? Does this count as Toni’s first AEW title reign?

Really just strip the injured champion of the title and make them first in line to contend for it when they come back, just drop the interim shit. And I. Don’t. Care. if real sports do it. Doesn’t mean AEW should