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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 21, 2022 13:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 14:00:15 GMT -5
I really just see absolutely no upside to the whole interim thing. You can always have the injured champion just get a title shot first thing when they return if you want to do that, and if you don't then it doesn't lock you into it and you can have them do something else away from the belt for a bit first. The only real argument in its favor seems to be, "Well, real sports do it!" and that argument just isn't good enough to me. Eh, interim/non-interim is all nonsense anyway, even in boxing and MMA. That part doesn't bother me |
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Post by Blade on Oct 21, 2022 14:17:22 GMT -5
I don't care if real sports do it either. Wrestling isn't a real sport.
What I actually said is that it's fodder for a storyline, just like stripping an injured champion is.
I have no problem recognising Toni Storm is the women's champion, and the crowd doesn't either. That particular angst appears to be limited to the navel-gazing corners of the IWC.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 21, 2022 14:50:24 GMT -5
I don't care if real sports do it either. Wrestling isn't a real sport. What I actually said is that it's fodder for a storyline, just like stripping an injured champion is. I have no problem recognising Toni Storm is the women's champion, and the crowd doesn't either. That particular angst appears to be limited to the navel-gazing corners of the IWC. I mean Toni herself expressed dislike of it too... yes, that could easily be a work but if it IS a work they feel enough people care about it to make it one. |
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Post by Blade on Oct 21, 2022 15:22:11 GMT -5
I don't care if real sports do it either. Wrestling isn't a real sport. What I actually said is that it's fodder for a storyline, just like stripping an injured champion is. I have no problem recognising Toni Storm is the women's champion, and the crowd doesn't either. That particular angst appears to be limited to the navel-gazing corners of the IWC. I mean Toni herself expressed dislike of it too... yes, that could easily be a work but if it IS a work they feel enough people care about it to make it one. Oh, it absolutely makes sense that any champion would express displeasure at not being the "real" one; Mox did the same thing. That's part of what makes it storyline fodder in the first place. |
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Oct 22, 2022 0:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by pinja on Oct 22, 2022 0:45:03 GMT -5
You become champion by cleanly winning a championship match. You stay champion by not being cleanly beaten in a championship match AND by not being beaten by your own health. So losing a title due to injury should be a definitive thing in most cases and not create this weird purgatory all the time.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2022 1:00:27 GMT -5
I find it basically almost indistinguishable from vacating the title, given returning champions who relinquished usually get title matches, anyway. This just gives us fewer "hyuck, Vacant is champ again!" jokes, which, eh.
My only complaint with it is I am not entirely sure how the title reign length is covered. CM Punk and Cody both lost to the interim champion. Did it then make Sammy and Moxley champion retroactively for the length of time they were interim? Or does it only begin when they have unified the belts? That is my only gripe, really, since everything else is almost exactly the same.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 22, 2022 6:36:35 GMT -5
Sigh. It's like she says something that's absolutely true and correct ("I didn't book myself to be champion") and then just doubles down on some of it in really weird, bitchy ways like calling out Toni like that. Toni started it first and it doesn't help that TKs shovel mouth unintentionally buried her too. Now she's getting flack from smarks and fans about a supposedly "fake" injury. I dont see the same call to respect her mental health like we do with Mox and Malakai. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 22, 2022 8:38:31 GMT -5
I do think that Toni shouldn't have brought it up in the way she did, but also it kind of feels like there's probably something to the idea that Thunder Rosa is difficult to work with when she's in pretty much a constant state of drama and everyone she works with seems to legit hate her.
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Oct 22, 2022 18:31:08 GMT -5
I find it basically almost indistinguishable from vacating the title, given returning champions who relinquished usually get title matches, anyway. This just gives us fewer "hyuck, Vacant is champ again!" jokes, which, eh. My only complaint with it is I am not entirely sure how the title reign length is covered. CM Punk and Cody both lost to the interim champion. Did it then make Sammy and Moxley champion retroactively for the length of time they were interim? Or does it only begin when they have unified the belts? That is my only gripe, really, since everything else is almost exactly the same. If the interim champ beats the returning champ, their reign counts as being started from the time they won the interim belt |
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2022 20:53:21 GMT -5
I do think that Toni shouldn't have brought it up in the way she did, but also it kind of feels like there's probably something to the idea that Thunder Rosa is difficult to work with when she's in pretty much a constant state of drama and everyone she works with seems to legit hate her. Hate's probably a strong word, but yeah, Rosa's got a strong personality. I do wonder if some of this is connected, if the injuries plus her taking on so much shit at the same time, like running her own promotion and training school while being a fulltime wrestler, is making what would have not been a big deal more and more of a big deal. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 22, 2022 21:29:12 GMT -5
I do think that Toni shouldn't have brought it up in the way she did, but also it kind of feels like there's probably something to the idea that Thunder Rosa is difficult to work with when she's in pretty much a constant state of drama and everyone she works with seems to legit hate her. Hate's probably a strong word, but yeah, Rosa's got a strong personality. I do wonder if some of this is connected, if the injuries plus her taking on so much shit at the same time, like running her own promotion and training school while being a fulltime wrestler, is making what would have not been a big deal more and more of a big deal. To go full speculation...it does seem like the thing that ties together all of what's come out about Rosa: she is trying way too hard. Trying to push through injury, trying to be a leader, trying to be a trainer, trying to be spectacular in the ring. I remember an interview where her answer to a question about how she uses her free time was "sleep." I really think most of the issues with her ringwork come down to that workaholic spirit, whether that's working in every jobber's signature spot or working stiff or dominating a match too much. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 22, 2022 23:34:24 GMT -5
Hate's probably a strong word, but yeah, Rosa's got a strong personality. I do wonder if some of this is connected, if the injuries plus her taking on so much shit at the same time, like running her own promotion and training school while being a fulltime wrestler, is making what would have not been a big deal more and more of a big deal. To go full speculation...it does seem like the thing that ties together all of what's come out about Rosa: she is trying way too hard. Trying to push through injury, trying to be a leader, trying to be a trainer, trying to be spectacular in the ring. I remember an interview where her answer to a question about how she uses her free time was "sleep." I really think most of the issues with her ringwork come down to that workaholic spirit, whether that's working in every jobber's signature spot or working stiff or dominating a match too much. I think Rosa has good intentions but I think it's a case of you gotta let things happen naturally when it comes to being a leader. But if half the rumors are true as well, it's kind of like stuff with Sammy, where if you are constantly involved in passing people off maybe you need to evaluate yourself. From all accounts Rosa is great to fans and has been a great part of the community outreach for AEW. But something is just off with the locker room |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 23, 2022 11:08:18 GMT -5
So Shawn Dean (who is part of the AEW office) too umbridge with Meltzer's latest report
Swerve also liked the tweet. So kind of backs my opinion I posted in the Punk thread that Meltz isn't in good standing with AEW right now.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 23, 2022 14:38:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Rosa is frustrated that Toni has been on TV every week since her win wrestling, whereas Rosa did not get nearly as much TV time as champion?
Frankly if the champ is gonna be out for months, vacate the belt. But then say that when they come back, they automatically get a title shot against the new champion.
That makes the most sense to me.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 23, 2022 17:34:28 GMT -5
Rosa was apparently working hurt before she won against Baker. If anything, she shouldn't have won the title in the first place. But then you would still be stuck in Baker purgatory until you can build up someone else credible to beat her.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 23, 2022 18:22:27 GMT -5
Rosa was apparently working hurt before she won against Baker. If anything, she shouldn't have won the title in the first place. But then you would still be stuck in Baker purgatory until you can build up someone else credible to beat her. They could have had Statlander do it. |
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Post by champchumpchange on Oct 23, 2022 19:13:24 GMT -5
Rosa was apparently working hurt before she won against Baker. If anything, she shouldn't have won the title in the first place. But then you would still be stuck in Baker purgatory until you can build up someone else credible to beat her. Storm, Hayter, Shida |
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 24, 2022 12:29:30 GMT -5
Interim champions seemed like a decent idea when it was introduced with Cody & Sammy. Then it started happening way too often as the company was dealing with a bunch of injuries. Thunder Rosa happens to have a platform on Busted Open and she's spoken out about being the real champion multiple times there.
If she or any wrestler, any athlete for that matter need to heal injuries, then that's that. If their employer/team isn't regularly communicating with the athlete's medical team, then that is terrible business. If Thunder Rosa is out until January, then book Toni Storm as a strong champion and give her a great feud to get to January.
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