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Post by griti kitty on Nov 26, 2022 23:45:11 GMT -5
Man, it's tough being a Shotzi fan. I keep rooting for her and hoping she'll have a breakthrough singles match performance, but she keeps stinking it up. I still think she's fine in a tag team though and I'm gonna keep stanning! I'M NEVER GOING TO GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE JOHN CENA!!!!! Shotzi, had her breakthrough performance with Charlotte that even Cornette praised her performance in, but they turned her heel right after. The match with Sasha was perfectly fine too. She's never going to be the women's champ but she 100% can have a PPV quality match with a ring general.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 26, 2022 23:47:16 GMT -5
Man, it's tough being a Shotzi fan. I keep rooting for her and hoping she'll have a breakthrough singles match performance, but she keeps stinking it up. I still think she's fine in a tag team though and I'm gonna keep stanning! I'M NEVER GOING TO GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE JOHN CENA!!!!! Shotzi, had her breakthrough performance with Charlotte that even Cornette praised her performance in, but they turned her heel right after. The match with Sasha was perfectly fine too. She's never going to be the women's champ but she 100% can have a PPV quality match with a ring general. Yeah. Only problem is that neither Flair or Banks are there right now.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 26, 2022 23:47:16 GMT -5
The problem all boils down to Ronda basically never being allowed to lose decisively. It's the same problem RAW has, although Ronda's case is much more extreme since she has pretty much no upside now. There's two types of Ronda matches. Good Ronda matches, and Bad Ronda matches. Nothing in between. And considering Shotzi is not great...like at all in the ring, I'm leaning towards this being the bad type of Ronda match. I said it in the SD discussion thread, and I'll say it again here. Assuming Ronda is still gone after Wrestlemania next year, it's nothing but a net positive for the women there, as she won't be an anchor on the division anymore. As for the rest of the division, a lot of the women there just simply are not good at all in the ring or are poor on the mic. And there's no one in NXT right now who could be called up to shake up that division enough right now. Except there haven't been any good Ronda matches since she came back 10 months ago besides the I Quit with Charlotte. Everything else has completely stunk. And in her original run, she didn't really have any bad matches. So I'm not really sure where this good/bad thing is coming from but it doesn't exist. Her first run was very good in ring wise, this run absolutely sucks. Not really much more to it.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 26, 2022 23:47:45 GMT -5
Shotzi has a lot of physical charisma, energy and a great look. What she isn't though is that top-tier worker that you put in high-profile championship matches. At least not yet, it could come to her, it may never. Rousey isn't that top-tier worker either (anymore? Coulda sworn she was good in her first run), but they're all in on her for name value and a supposed endgame at WrestleMania, so the belt's kinda tied up with her for the interim period. Problem is, the SmackDown roster as it currently stands doesn't have that kind of worker to carry the match, at least any that are currently active. Mandy Rose improving as much she has in NXT gives me hope that it could happen for Shotzi someday, too. If not, they could always make her a manager or something. I think the difference is that Mandy I think had a better foundation as a worker then Shotzi. Like she's never going to be some workrate queen but she's a good athlete who is strong and with some explosiveness so it was just more of a case of figuring it mentally and just simply getting a chance to prove herself as she wasn't going to get that on the main roster. With Shotzi she's so limited I don't know if it's ever going to happen for her even if you send her back to NXT. I think she's someone who is probably going to have to find her niche as a tag specialist.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 26, 2022 23:47:47 GMT -5
Man, it's tough being a Shotzi fan. I keep rooting for her and hoping she'll have a breakthrough singles match performance, but she keeps stinking it up. I still think she's fine in a tag team though and I'm gonna keep stanning! I'M NEVER GOING TO GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE JOHN CENA!!!!! Shotzi, had her breakthrough performance with Charlotte that even Cornette praised her performance in, but they turned her heel right after. The match with Sasha was perfectly fine too. She's never going to be the women's champ but she 100% can have a PPV quality match with a ring general.
That heel turn was such bizarre timing, and having Sasha kick her butt at every corner killed her character.
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Post by XIII on Nov 26, 2022 23:49:53 GMT -5
Shotzi is a wrestler that needs to be hidden on multi person and tag matches where she can do a big spot or take a big bump here or there without having to be ON for an entire match. She would have worked so much better in the war games match for instance. There’s a place for her it’s just not trying to have a good match with Ronda Rousey who also needs someone better than her to lead the way.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 27, 2022 0:46:30 GMT -5
I dunno if it's because she doesn't really care anymore, is just better in the ring as a face or what, but I do feel Ronda has regressed as a wrestler. She's way sloppier than she was in her first run.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 27, 2022 0:50:16 GMT -5
I dunno if it's because she doesn't really care anymore, is just better in the ring as a face or what, but I do feel Ronda has regressed as a wrestler. She's way sloppier than she was in her first run. I'm guessing it's the same thing that happened to her when it came to MMA. She got in her own head a bit, took some time off, and now coming back just can't find her footing again.
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Post by Stu on Nov 27, 2022 1:16:03 GMT -5
So tonight’s Tegan Nox reference a sign?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 27, 2022 1:17:23 GMT -5
So tonight’s Tegan Nox reference a sign? Hard to say given Cole also namedropped stuff like Apollo 55.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 27, 2022 1:19:56 GMT -5
So tonight’s Tegan Nox reference a sign? Hard to say given Cole also namedropped stuff like Apollo 55. Apollo (Crews) 55 is coming back to the main roster to feud with the Wyatt 6. How will the Wyatt 6 overcome #THENUMBERSGAME?
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Post by ElmerFudd on Nov 27, 2022 1:21:15 GMT -5
My guess is Ronda keeps the title till WrestleMania then loses to Becky and never comes back. Doesn't seem exciting to me I just think that's where it's headed.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 27, 2022 1:27:09 GMT -5
So tonight’s Tegan Nox reference a sign? Hard to say given Cole also namedropped stuff like Apollo 55. Ryusuke Taguchi to WWE confirmed.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 27, 2022 2:47:56 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to take an apron DDT, just say so in the back. Instead she just sandbags it and you could audibly hear the crowd grown.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 27, 2022 2:51:47 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to take an apron DDT, just say so in the back. Instead she just sandbags it and you could audibly hear the crowd grown. I wonder if she thought she was cool with it until it came time and she got cold feet.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 27, 2022 3:16:23 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to take an apron DDT, just say so in the back. Instead she just sandbags it and you could audibly hear the crowd grown. I wonder if she thought she was cool with it until it came time and she got cold feet. I remember when they were setting up for that spot and I knew it wasn't going to end well as it was obviously going to be something complicated that they weren't going to be able to pull off. At first I thought she was setting up for the Cesaro Suplex (or if you want to back further the Chris Kanyon Suplex) which I'm sure would've been an adventure as well.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 27, 2022 3:23:53 GMT -5
Who even challenges Rhonda next lol? I guess Raquel?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 27, 2022 3:32:45 GMT -5
Who even challenges Rhonda next lol? I guess Raquel? I'd assume so. Storytelling logic dictates that she should at least try for revenge for Rousey and Baszler injuring her arm, and honestly she's probably the most credible babyface opponent left that Rousey hasn't already feuded with in this run (taking out Morgan and Shotzi).
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2022 4:21:14 GMT -5
Who even challenges Rhonda next lol? I guess Raquel? I'd assume so. Storytelling logic dictates that she should at least try for revenge for Rousey and Baszler injuring her arm, and honestly she's probably the most credible babyface opponent left that Rousey hasn't already feuded with in this run (taking out Morgan and Shotzi).
Yeah, but given the injury storyline, that still leaves a few weeks of TV to fill first.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 27, 2022 4:27:12 GMT -5
I'd assume so. Storytelling logic dictates that she should at least try for revenge for Rousey and Baszler injuring her arm, and honestly she's probably the most credible babyface opponent left that Rousey hasn't already feuded with in this run (taking out Morgan and Shotzi). Yeah, but given the injury storyline, that still leaves a few weeks of TV to fill first.
It's not like Rousey's gonna be there every week, though. You'll probably get one more Shotzi v Baszler match for Baszler to get her win back from the other week, at least. And if they're desperate, they still have the kayfabe rights to book the tag champs Sky and Kai (although who they fight... That's a headscratcher).
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