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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 27, 2022 7:10:15 GMT -5
I still love Ronda just as much as ever but that was rough. She needs carried to a good match, and there's nothing wrong with that, but Shotzi is not that person. I hate that they continue to have her do terrible promos when "legitimate martial arts Olympian badass with an ego" is as simple as it gets.
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Post by mistery on Nov 27, 2022 7:27:26 GMT -5
Gonna be a hot take but if Ronda leaves after Mania, absolutely nothing of value will be lost. She is a terrible person, she is very easily gotten to, and she has severely regressed in the ring. And was never any good on the mic. It would also presumably free up a spot on the top of the card for another woman, likely Rhea.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 27, 2022 7:32:17 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem like Rondas heart is in it.
And Shayna looks like a f***ing goober as her sidekick
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 27, 2022 8:31:10 GMT -5
Mandy Rose improving as much she has in NXT gives me hope that it could happen for Shotzi someday, too. If not, they could always make her a manager or something. I think the difference is that Mandy I think had a better foundation as a worker then Shotzi. Like she's never going to be some workrate queen but she's a good athlete who is strong and with some explosiveness so it was just more of a case of figuring it mentally and just simply getting a chance to prove herself as she wasn't going to get that on the main roster. With Shotzi she's so limited I don't know if it's ever going to happen for her even if you send her back to NXT. I think she's someone who is probably going to have to find her niche as a tag specialist. Mandy was also pretty much thrown right onto the main roster after a brief spell in NXT the first time around. Her current NXT run is the training/“figure it out” period she didn’t get the first time. Shotzi was on the indies for several years before coming to WWE. She just might be someone whose desire to be a wrestler far outstrips her abilities.
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Post by mistery on Nov 27, 2022 10:03:00 GMT -5
I saw it posted elsewhere, but this is a pretty good point. If Bianca and Becky end up stepping away for whatever reason, and Ronda is gone, the women's divisions on both brands are going to crater, because WWE isn't bothering to build up anyone else as a threat (and anyone who people want to see as a star was already fed to Bianca with their credibility completely destroyed in the process). Rhea is a possibility, but that's only one person.
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Post by XIII on Nov 27, 2022 10:18:32 GMT -5
I saw it posted elsewhere, but this is a pretty good point. If Bianca and Becky end up stepping away for whatever reason, and Ronda is gone, the women's divisions on both brands are going to crater, because WWE isn't bothering to build up anyone else as a threat (and anyone who people want to see as a star was already fed to Bianca with their credibility completely destroyed in the process). Rhea is a possibility, but that's only one person. When in doubt actually use Asuka as a world beater is what would happen.
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Post by cornettesracket on Nov 27, 2022 12:20:37 GMT -5
Ronda needs to just finish up her current contract and go home.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 27, 2022 12:22:15 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem like Rondas heart is in it. And Shayna looks like a f***ing goober as her sidekick Shayna is a solid worker but I don't think she ever got the presentation aspect of wrestling. She doesn't seem to get how to carry herself as a star or find a persona that can take her to the next level.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2022 12:38:20 GMT -5
That match last night was an abomination on an otherwise great show.
Shotzi is likeable and I want her to succeed but she's just not it for that kind of role. Keep her in a tag-team to hide her weaknesses. She shouldn't be getting long world title matches on major PPVs.
And Ronda is absolutely ice cold right now. Becky is going to have to work magic to get live crowds into Ronda promos and matches if that's the big planned feud for Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 12:44:45 GMT -5
Ronda gave very little to Shotzi lastnight...that apron DDT being the most notable spot.
The match lay out was not made to help Shotzi but to reiterate how strong and badass Ronda is.
It is a thing that I notice is becoming more and more obvious in the current division...there are some women who have a great give and go match where both look great but then you get other matches where one woman gets all the heat but she gives next to nothing back.
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Post by cornettesracket on Nov 27, 2022 13:01:37 GMT -5
I still love Ronda just as much as ever but that was rough. She needs carried to a good match, and there's nothing wrong with that, but Shotzi is not that person. I hate that they continue to have her do terrible promos when "legitimate martial arts Olympian badass with an ego" is as simple as it gets. Yeah it’s why I think that her match at mania was a blessing and a curse as it allowed her to shine and look amazing, but it was because she was in there with angle and HHH who are two of the best of their generation, and that match was a bit smoke and mirrors and when that went away I think Ronda was exposed a bit, but her first run while it tappered off towards the end, she seemed motivated, whereas imo in her second run she’s just checking off time and doesn’t seem to care, so why should fans care ?
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Post by Fade on Nov 27, 2022 13:11:20 GMT -5
That match last night was an abomination on an otherwise great show. Shotzi is likeable and I want her to succeed but she's just not it for that kind of role. Keep her in a tag-team to hide her weaknesses. She shouldn't be getting long world title matches on major PPVs. And Ronda is absolutely ice cold right now. Becky is going to have to work magic to get live crowds into Ronda promos and matches if that's the big planned feud for Wrestlemania.Becky comes off like such an uber star right now. Elevated Bianca, got a bit of the edge of her heel character but is face now and has the crowd on her side. She’s on fire and I keep thinking “she’s gotta have a huge match at WM”. Ronda seems like the obvious choice but boy is all that booty and a step down for Becky. I wonder if something with Bianca or Charlotte wouldn’t be a better idea and yea, I know, they’ve been overdone.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2022 13:12:19 GMT -5
I still love Ronda just as much as ever but that was rough. She needs carried to a good match, and there's nothing wrong with that, but Shotzi is not that person. I hate that they continue to have her do terrible promos when "legitimate martial arts Olympian badass with an ego" is as simple as it gets. Yeah it’s why I think that her match at mania was a blessing and a curse as it allowed her to shine and look amazing, but it was because she was in there with angle and HHH who are two of the best of their generation, and that match was a bit smoke and mirrors and when that went away I think Ronda was exposed a bit, but her first run while it tappered off towards the end, she seemed motivated, whereas imo in her second run she’s just checking off time and doesn’t seem to care, so why should fans care ? Stephanie was also excellent in that Mania 34 match.
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Post by XIII on Nov 27, 2022 13:12:25 GMT -5
IF Becky/Ronda happens at WM, Becky has to tap her out and send her ass out of here or what are we even doing?
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 27, 2022 14:03:27 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem like Rondas heart is in it. And Shayna looks like a f***ing goober as her sidekick Shayna is a solid worker but I don't think she ever got the presentation aspect of wrestling. She doesn't seem to get how to carry herself as a star or find a persona that can take her to the next level. They haven't tried her as a face yet. I'd like to see how she'd do in that role.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Nov 27, 2022 14:22:28 GMT -5
Doesn't help that fans want to cheer Rhonda but she's been slotted into a You People heel. I'm glad Liv got a run but it didn't necessitate Rhonda heeling it up the more it went on. Her natural goofiness makes better for a face than ... whatever this is.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Nov 27, 2022 15:19:09 GMT -5
Doesn't help that fans want to cheer Rhonda but she's been slotted into a You People heel. I'm glad Liv got a run but it didn't necessitate Rhonda heeling it up the more it went on. Her natural goofiness makes better for a face than ... whatever this is. I don't agree with this at all. She didn't work as a face for a long time and the fans were fairly often turning on her. They finally turned her heel, and its not really working either, but the reason for that is because Ronda sucks. But if she has to be on the roster, she's better as a heel, mostly because she's a heel irl.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2022 19:34:23 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem like Rondas heart is in it. And Shayna looks like a f***ing goober as her sidekick Shayna is a solid worker but I don't think she ever got the presentation aspect of wrestling. She doesn't seem to get how to carry herself as a star or find a persona that can take her to the next level.
It's hard because she had opportunities in late 2019/early 2020, but each time they got almost immediately undercut. She beat Bayley/Becky in the (quite underwhelming) Survivor Series 2019 main event, but Becky beat her up after the match to get the 'Hogan must pose' moment. She got eight eliminations in the 2020 Rumble in no time, but got tossed by Charlotte. She beat everyone at Elimination Chamber 2020, but the match structure was poor. She did the 'biting Becky' moment but Becky was then fine enough to steal a truck and cut a promo on her in the same episode.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 28, 2022 6:18:45 GMT -5
Shayna seems like a pretty cool person in real life. If they'd let her be more like herself, they could have a Damian Priest-style face (before he woke up THE DAMIAN SIDE) in the women's division.
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Post by mistery on Nov 28, 2022 19:33:18 GMT -5
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