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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 3, 2022 14:06:29 GMT -5
My hold thing is if it DIDN'T happen and as wildly spread this story or conspiracy this as been for years. You think Stephanie would said it didn't happen at some point. With the millions of media interviews she has done. His own brother also kicking around the question instead of a flat out no. That what making me lean over to the did happen side and Vince found out later. Or they are adults who dont want to comment on dirty internet rumors. In any of those millions of media interviews has anyone ever directly asked whether it happened? If not would you expect her to bring it up to deny it? No she was a vice president (or whatever) at a billion dollar company. She could care less about some gossip that even the “dirtrags” generally dont even give credence to. But that story isn't just a dirty internet rumor. Its been everywhere for years and a ton of wrestling personalities have spoken about it. Also Macho Man had a videos out from around when be a Man came out 2002ish. Where he said "He was going to B*tch slap HHH and take his girlfriend Stephanie McMahon." Still found on youtube. These rumors where out back than. They will talk about everything else but always hush hush about this.
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Post by XIII on Dec 3, 2022 14:22:14 GMT -5
Or they are adults who dont want to comment on dirty internet rumors. In any of those millions of media interviews has anyone ever directly asked whether it happened? If not would you expect her to bring it up to deny it? No she was a vice president (or whatever) at a billion dollar company. She could care less about some gossip that even the “dirtrags” generally dont even give credence to. But that story isn't just a dirty internet rumor. Its been everywhere for years and a ton of wrestling personalities have spoken about it. Also Macho Man had a videos out from around when be a Man came out 2002ish. Where he said "He was going to B*tch slap HHH and take his girlfriend Stephanie McMahon." Still found on youtube. These rumors where out back than. They will talk about everything else but always hush hush about this. But it pretty much is an internet rumor in that if you’re not a wrestling fan on the internet there’s a 99% chance that you’ve never heard it. Secondly it’s not like Stephanie and HHH are out there doing shoot interviews, Steph only does things directly pertaining to the business side of the WWE. Is she supposed to open an earnings report with a denial of this nonsense that no one really cares about? The entire thing is silly.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 3, 2022 14:28:12 GMT -5
Or they are adults who dont want to comment on dirty internet rumors. In any of those millions of media interviews has anyone ever directly asked whether it happened? If not would you expect her to bring it up to deny it? No she was a vice president (or whatever) at a billion dollar company. She could care less about some gossip that even the “dirtrags” generally dont even give credence to. But that story isn't just a dirty internet rumor. Its been everywhere for years and a ton of wrestling personalities have spoken about it. Also Macho Man had a videos out from around when be a Man came out 2002ish. Where he said "He was going to B*tch slap HHH and take his girlfriend Stephanie McMahon." Still found on youtube. These rumors where out back than. They will talk about everything else but always hush hush about this. Everywhere for years? So I missed the 20/20 where they talked about it? Or those jokes in Jay Lenos monologues? It is a dirty internet rumor. And WWE feels they are so far above that level that it is not worth their notice. And honestly they are correct. No one has ever unearthed any legitimate bit of evidence. Just because some wrestlers choose to comment on it or Macho hinted at it to promote his album does not make it any more credible than any other stupid thing morons on the internet made up.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 3, 2022 14:42:14 GMT -5
But that story isn't just a dirty internet rumor. Its been everywhere for years and a ton of wrestling personalities have spoken about it. Also Macho Man had a videos out from around when be a Man came out 2002ish. Where he said "He was going to B*tch slap HHH and take his girlfriend Stephanie McMahon." Still found on youtube. These rumors where out back than. They will talk about everything else but always hush hush about this. But it pretty much is an internet rumor in that if you’re not a wrestling fan on the internet there’s a 99% chance that you’ve never heard it. Secondly it’s not like Stephanie and HHH are out there doing shoot interviews, Steph only does things directly pertaining to the business side of the WWE. Is she supposed to open an earnings report with a denial of this nonsense that no one really cares about? The entire thing is silly. Yeah now. But just saying she was doing Howard Stern back than the same time Macho Man was doing his videos. Just saying. Never said anything about earning report calls and ext. If there was a time, that show would have been it. So point taken.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Dec 3, 2022 15:54:41 GMT -5
The Rumor always was that Vince found out about later. He gave that Speech but at that point he didn't knew about it, i mean even Lanny never said it didn't happened so it's really weird. I don't think he would have ever been in the HOF had the Rumor been true, but then again who knows there must have been something that pissed Vince of. My hold thing is if it DIDN'T happen and as wildly spread this story or conspiracy this as been for years. You think Stephanie would said it didn't happen at some point. With the millions of media interviews she has done. His own brother also kicking around the question instead of a flat out no. That what making me lean over to the did happen side and Vince found out later. Sometimes you shouldn't comment on rumors because it makes them seem true in a way. I mean this rumor wasn't even a thing before Savage made that Video of saying he would slap HHH around and take his girl Stephanie around the block wasn't it? The Rumor is probably around since 03/04 also there was a side were people posted the weirdest urban legends and mabye this was the whole origin of the Savage/Stephanie conspiracy, it mabye took a life of it's own from then. Basically everyone knows it and even some High-up People according to Dave Meltzer in a 2009 Interview, said they believe it. Vince even put Warrior in the HOF before he died and they had some real bad blood. So the Rumor absolutely can be REAL.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 3, 2022 16:05:43 GMT -5
My hold thing is if it DIDN'T happen and as wildly spread this story or conspiracy this as been for years. You think Stephanie would said it didn't happen at some point. With the millions of media interviews she has done. His own brother also kicking around the question instead of a flat out no. That what making me lean over to the did happen side and Vince found out later. Sometimes you shouldn't comment on rumors because it makes them seem true in a way. I mean this rumor wasn't even a thing before Savage made that Video of saying he would slap HHH around and take his girl Stephanie around the block wasn't it? The Rumor is probably around since 03/04 also there was a side were people posted the weirdest urban legends and mabye this was the whole origin of the Savage/Stephanie conspiracy The wildest thing is the person who started that wrestling sleaze/conspiracy theory thread in the early 2000s was one Tony Khan. So almost 20 years before most wrestling fans even knew who he was he helped create something that would be talked about within the IWC to this day.
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 3, 2022 16:38:19 GMT -5
Sometimes you shouldn't comment on rumors because it makes them seem true in a way. I mean this rumor wasn't even a thing before Savage made that Video of saying he would slap HHH around and take his girl Stephanie around the block wasn't it? The Rumor is probably around since 03/04 also there was a side were people posted the weirdest urban legends and mabye this was the whole origin of the Savage/Stephanie conspiracy The wildest thing is the person who started that wrestling sleaze/conspiracy theory thread in the early 2000s was one Tony Khan. So almost 20 years before most wrestling fans even knew who he was he helped create something that would be talked about within the IWC to this day. Uhh...what?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 3, 2022 16:56:38 GMT -5
The wildest thing is the person who started that wrestling sleaze/conspiracy theory thread in the early 2000s was one Tony Khan. So almost 20 years before most wrestling fans even knew who he was he helped create something that would be talked about within the IWC to this day. Uhh...what? TK was the OP on the original DVDVR thread that spawned the wrestling sleeze list. He's confirmed it.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Dec 3, 2022 17:08:25 GMT -5
TK was the OP on the original DVDVR thread that spawned the wrestling sleeze list. He's confirmed it. Wait really? Didn't knew that.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 3, 2022 17:17:59 GMT -5
My personal favorite is "WCW altered merchandizing UPCs to have everything come up as Hogan because they had no other way to pay his salary." Pretty sure Nash recently confirmed it without confirming it by saying he got a 7 figure payout from Turner when he sued over backpay from merch in exchange for an NDA Jericho also claimed that at one point when you bought his figure (WCW Toybiz era I think) that the receipts would all say Hogan, leading to Hogan getting paid some from the sale.. Except that isn't how retail works. But that would mean Jericho is talking shit for attention and that simply cannot be
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 3, 2022 22:39:43 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior was meant to just be a placeholder champion. Hogan was still getting all the hype even after losing the belt while Warrior was put in feuds against Rude (who he had beaten before) and Demolition. He was given the Savage feud later in his run, but that was likely so they could set up Savage costing Warrior the belt so they could get it off of him. Warrior wasnt even designed to be the next big thing, he was just a face to keep the belt warm (I think the same thing about Savage's 1988 run to be honest).
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 4, 2022 8:39:24 GMT -5
I'd be more inclined to believe the Savage rumours if both he and Vince weren't both incredibly weird, temperamental guys who can and will care grudges over nonsense for decades. If there was something to it, someone in the locker room with him would have confirmed it or hearing it from sources other than shoot video interviewers. Like the Jarrett feud people insisted was a massive thing, I'm more inclined to believe there was no reconciliation because neither party wanted it needed it at the time, and Savage died before there could be one.
I will also point out, after Savage's death, Hulk Hogan did a long, sit down interview and shat all over Savage the person to such an extent Warrior did his own series of shoot videos airing out Hulk's dirty laundry in retaliation. Despite the petty grave dancing, the Stephanie claims never came up.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 4, 2022 8:59:11 GMT -5
WCW didn't lose $65 million by themselves. Turner moved some of their expenses from other parts of the corporation to WCW. Also, there was some screwy things with other accounting as well if I’m not mistaken. Didn’t the PPV and ad revenue go directly to Turner and didn’t show up on WCW’s P&L sheet?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 4, 2022 9:03:51 GMT -5
I don't believe the sexual relationship part of it but I fully believe in some kind of midlife crisis way Vince was infatuated with HBK in the mid 90s and living vicariously through this young guy who was a rebel and broke all the rules and that's why despite him not really being a big draw at the time Vince still let him get away with all the stuff he did. I always saw it as analogous to George Costanza and Tony the Himbo. Shawn was a cool dude and Vince... wasnt so he just badly wanted Shawn to like him and think he was cool out of some weird hope for validation.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 4, 2022 9:38:43 GMT -5
I will also point out, after Savage's death, Hulk Hogan did a long, sit down interview and shat all over Savage the person to such an extent Warrior did his own series of shoot videos airing out Hulk's dirty laundry in retaliation. Despite the petty grave dancing, the Stephanie claims never came up. Stephanie is still around to sue for them. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I could see someone on the back nine of their career who doesn't pending litigation costing them opportunities deciding that discretion is the better part of valor.
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Post by karl100589 on Dec 4, 2022 9:49:17 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior was meant to just be a placeholder champion. Hogan was still getting all the hype even after losing the belt while Warrior was put in feuds against Rude (who he had beaten before) and Demolition. He was given the Savage feud later in his run, but that was likely so they could set up Savage costing Warrior the belt so they could get it off of him. Warrior wasnt even designed to be the next big thing, he was just a face to keep the belt warm (I think the same thing about Savage's 1988 run to be honest). I can see some merit to that. Hogan needed time off to film Suburban Commando so it made sense to put the belt on another babyface in his absence. While Vince was willing to let Hogan hold the belt hostage in 1993 (to film Mr Nanny) he wouldn’t have when business was so healthy and Hogan had less leverage. Hogan comes back = Warrior drops the belt and Hogan gets it back at Mania Hogan goes to Hollywood = Run with Warrior as top guy.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 4, 2022 10:24:47 GMT -5
I will also point out, after Savage's death, Hulk Hogan did a long, sit down interview and shat all over Savage the person to such an extent Warrior did his own series of shoot videos airing out Hulk's dirty laundry in retaliation. Despite the petty grave dancing, the Stephanie claims never came up. Stephanie is still around to sue for them. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I could see someone on the back nine of their career who doesn't pending litigation costing them opportunities deciding that discretion is the better part of valor. Except it's Hulk Hogan, who had zero issues with any of his other lies or the legal action he spent a decade embroiled in against various entities, from surgeons to gawker. Plus the past decade has seen Hogsn say all kinds of moronic things that cost him opportunities, even beyond the racism tapes, man has no filter.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 4, 2022 11:41:07 GMT -5
My personal favorite is "WCW altered merchandizing UPCs to have everything come up as Hogan because they had no other way to pay his salary." Pretty sure Nash recently confirmed it without confirming it by saying he got a 7 figure payout from Turner when he sued over backpay from merch in exchange for an NDA Jericho also claimed that at one point when you bought his figure (WCW Toybiz era I think) that the receipts would all say Hogan, leading to Hogan getting paid some from the sale.. Except that isn't how retail works. From reading between the lines, what I think happened was that WCW/Turner were tracking certain merch lines as being for Hogan when they weren't supposed to be because Hogan was a) getting so much of the merch profits and b) Turner's books were a nightmare until the merger and going public. Nash apparently got a 7 figure settlement out of them just by threatening to take it public.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 4, 2022 11:52:25 GMT -5
Stephanie is still around to sue for them. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I could see someone on the back nine of their career who doesn't pending litigation costing them opportunities deciding that discretion is the better part of valor. Except it's Hulk Hogan, who had zero issues with any of his other lies or the legal action he spent a decade embroiled in against various entities, from surgeons to gawker. Plus the past decade has seen Hogsn say all kinds of moronic things that cost him opportunities, even beyond the racism tapes, man has no filter. While true. But would you really take a chance on being sued by the company to pretty much owns your entire wrestling career library? And can do whatever that want with it? We seen what they did with Warrior before they "buried" the bad blood. Hogan is a moron a lot ways s but is that stupid?
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Post by ANuclearError on Dec 4, 2022 12:19:53 GMT -5
The "Okada's return at Wrestle Kingdom was intentionally awkward and a bit shit to set up the shock against Tanahashi" is a fun one, I'd say I'm 50/50 on it though.
Just look at him!
If you've not seen his Rainmaker from this match, it's equally as flat and hilarious.
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