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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Dec 20, 2022 14:26:58 GMT -5
Seriously tho, putting dudes who need to be carried specifically athletically against The Miz almost never goes well and I wish that they'd stop doing it because this is literally Mizdow all over again but instead of Hot Summer the love interest is Hot Rock
Dexter vs. Miz III Winner Gets Bronson Reed's Affection
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 20, 2022 14:30:49 GMT -5
Seriously tho, putting dudes who need to be carried specifically athletically against The Miz almost never goes well and I wish that they'd stop doing it because this is literally Mizdow all over again but instead of Hot Summer the love interest is Hot Rock Dexter vs. Miz III Winner Gets Bronson Reed's Affection Oh I can’t wait for the Top Dolla/Miz feud next summer
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Post by Killah Ray on Dec 20, 2022 14:31:24 GMT -5
Man wants to provide a good living for his family doing what he loves with less of a travel hassle….mass hysteria at 11.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 20, 2022 14:32:24 GMT -5
Never blame the talent for taking money, period. Jonah's a huge guy, but while he's very talented and that talent won't go away, his size likely means he won't be saying the same about his knees by the time we get to 2030, go and get paid while you can. I also understand that if he's set up shop in the US that flying to Japan frequently can't be fun, and that has to be particularly pronounced for a guy his size.
That said, from a fan perspective it does suck; dude was being used well in NJPW, was clearly ticketed for some big stuff, and had a good thing going with TMDK as a mini-stable. I think there will be a legitimate argument over the next little while that he might have been better served by another year or two in Japan to further establish his aura and to get over even more as a monster, and that might've allowed him to negotiate a better stateside deal for himself. But hey, for all I know WWE made him an offer he couldn't refuse and that was that.
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 20, 2022 14:36:18 GMT -5
I am still in shock how they let that match go as long as it did, it was just too long and slow.
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Post by BlahBlah on Dec 20, 2022 14:42:00 GMT -5
Jonah went from beating Okada in the G1 to being The Miz's bodyguard. Paycheck aside, that's an insane downgrade. Or it's a massive upgrade if he's making the money he desires and is closer to family. This isn't that hard to grasp I'm genuinely surprised at all of the blowback to this. These dudes are entitled to do whatever they think is best for their livelihoods.
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 20, 2022 14:46:39 GMT -5
Or it's a massive upgrade if he's making the money he desires and is closer to family. This isn't that hard to grasp I'm genuinely surprised at all of the blowback to this. These dudes are entitled to do whatever they think is best for their livelihoods. And I'm entitled to think whatever I want about his career choices. Not sure why it would bother you whether or not I'm all "good for him, get that bag" after he jumped ship to the company I don't watch.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 20, 2022 14:54:30 GMT -5
You can really tell who’s actually a regular NJPW viewer and who casually checks in by the reaction to him going back. OH THEY PUT HIM OVER OKADA AND HE LEFT! Okada also lost to Yano and Lance Archer in that same G1, homie. lol. Foreigners get short runs and dip in and out all the time. JONAH was Okada's only loss in the last G1. If you're going to be condescending, at least be sure your facts are straight. Especially since you're supposedly laughing about people who "casually checks in" to NJPW.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2022 14:55:30 GMT -5
I think it's personally reasonable to be disappointed by him coming back to WWE, it just seems weird to me to view it like a personal betrayal or something.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 20, 2022 14:58:55 GMT -5
Right, let's move on from both acting like Bronson leaving New Japan is this massive betrayal and the obvious people who haven't research and just saying what they see from winding people up, yeah?
It's a Miz feud that's gone on for a bajillion years at this point, it's really not worth all this fuss.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 20, 2022 15:05:33 GMT -5
I think it's personally reasonable to be disappointed by him coming back to WWE, it just seems weird to me to view it like a personal betrayal or something. That said, it’s kinda disappointing they’ve paired Jonah with Miz for whatever reason.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Dec 20, 2022 15:19:55 GMT -5
You seem to be taking this weirdly personally. I don’t like when talents act like they’re happy somewhere else and then f***off after they were given everything by a company. He probably wasn't acting. He probably was genuinely happy in NJPW. He was probably also happy in WWE before he was released. He had two companies in which he'd be happy and chose the one which made him a better offer. It's a buisiness decision. I'm sure the doors are open for him to come in if things don't end up working out in WWE for him. This is how he earns his living. By your logic somebody should ust stay at a job because the company's been good to them, when they get an offer that would double their salary. I legitimately think you are the only person who is genuinely upset about this.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 20, 2022 15:58:32 GMT -5
Lumis is a character. He needs a constant stream of storytelling to keep him interesting because that is what largely got him over in NXT...it damn sure was not his wrestling which he is perfectly fine at but his bread and butter is character work , vingettes etc. It is difficult to pull it off with not only larger but weekly different audiences who may or may not like his schtick or even understand it. But wrestling long matches like he did lastnight is not to his favor...or maybe it was because the Miz is also not someone that should be in a 1 on 1 ladder match as his ability for anti-gravity everything is almost on par with Becky. There's a reason why Samuel Shaw, by and large, failed and Dexter Lumis succeeded, and something like a ladder match ain't playing to the strengths of what got him over.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 20, 2022 16:18:22 GMT -5
I wonder if he's putting in a good word for the other TMDK guys. I know we've firmly established that yeah, Reed's free to look out for himself and his own interests, but the rest of those guys just saw their market value chopped in half. Both are likely on the list as previous cuts, Thorne likely more so than Nicholls, but both are also 37 and had 3-4 year runs in WWE already and did nothing. Dunno how likely they get a call is. Besides, Nicholls left earlier to spend more time with his family, that might still hold true. Does Thorne live in the US, though? His fiancee is with Smosh... But yeah, holy f*** Bronson signing with WWE isn't this top 10 anime betrayal. I like the dude and support him getting the bag, he doesn't owe us better booking and matches.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2022 16:23:19 GMT -5
Mixed in with all this I'm kind of wondering what the hell happened behind the scenes with Gargano. Brought back for a promo that framed him as a major deal, got into an immediate feud with Theory that positioned him pretty prominently, then that just kind of petered out without really reaching a climax and now he hasn't won a match since and is just kind of Lumis's personal cheerleader now.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Dec 20, 2022 16:28:33 GMT -5
Both are likely on the list as previous cuts, Thorne likely more so than Nicholls, but both are also 37 and had 3-4 year runs in WWE already and did nothing. Dunno how likely they get a call is. Besides, Nicholls left earlier to spend more time with his family, that might still hold true. Does Thorne live in the US, though? His fiancee is with Smosh... But yeah, holy f*** Bronson signing with WWE isn't this top 10 anime betrayal. I like the dude and support him getting the bag, he doesn't owe us better booking and matches. Slapjack's fiance being a part of Smosh is absolutely cursed information thank you
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 20, 2022 16:40:01 GMT -5
Mixed in with all this I'm kind of wondering what the hell happened behind the scenes with Gargano. Brought back for a promo that framed him as a major deal, got into an immediate feud with Theory that positioned him pretty prominently, then that just kind of petered out without really reaching a climax and now he hasn't won a match since and is just kind of Lumis's personal cheerleader now. Let’s all sit back and think about how much better a Gargano/Miz feud would have been.
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Post by Gremlin on Dec 20, 2022 17:08:30 GMT -5
That match was about as exciting as a Dino Bravo/Hacksaw Duggan extended chinlock sequence Throw in a couple of arm wringers and a half dozen hammer blows and now we’re talking!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 19:36:22 GMT -5
So JONAH wants to be a directionless bodyguard instead of wrestling Okada. HHH must have the persuasion skills of Satan in the Garden of Eden. Eat shit, JONAH. Enjoy midcard hell. I agree. Does everyone have to be motivated by money? No! They need to work for free, dammit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 19:39:17 GMT -5
Let’s be clear about one thing. Miz was saddled with Lumis, that’s very clear after last night. Miz did everything he could, and so has Gargano. Even they can’t work miracles. Like I said earlier, you pair someone up with Miz because he's gonna get his opponent over. But a ladder match is not something Dexter can really work in People have expectations for a ladder match. Either you perform a lot of acrobatics to get the audience excited or you beat and bloody someone to an inch of their life for the sake of telling a story. Neither happened. I don't blame them for working like a regular Monday but why have a ladder match?
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