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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 29, 2023 13:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by johncasey on Jan 29, 2023 14:55:51 GMT -5
I was going to watch it live in The UK as I was psyched for it but got tired so I watched it today, it was the right decision as apparently there was 60 minutes of non wrestling.
When announcing the rules of The Rumble, they should add, anyone can be eliminated by someone in the match, a previously eliminated opponent or by someone not in the match.
Certainly better Rumbles than recent, worthy winners, Cody hasn't done anything wrong but I get the Sami thing.
As mentioned in a previous thread, why was The Bloodline allowed to continue the attack but Adam Pearce and Company came down to deal with Brock and then Edge and Judgement Day.
Wrestlemania should be the endgame for The Bloodline, it can't end with Roman with the belts even if it's a new incarnation of The Bloodline
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2023 15:16:49 GMT -5
Rhea needs to be the one to finally beat Bianca.
Hopefully they don’t squander Liv’s performance here and actually COMMIT to using her better going forward.
This Becky vs. Damage Dorks feud isn’t working.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2023 15:19:07 GMT -5
Rhea needs to be the one to finally beat Bianca. Hopefully they don’t squander Liv’s performance here and actually COMMIT to using her better going forward. This Becky vs. Damage Dorks feud isn’t working. What did Liv do tho besides stick around?
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2023 15:28:49 GMT -5
Rhea needs to be the one to finally beat Bianca. Hopefully they don’t squander Liv’s performance here and actually COMMIT to using her better going forward. This Becky vs. Damage Dorks feud isn’t working. What did Liv do tho besides stick around? She lasted for over an hour. You can count on one hand the number of people who have done that ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 15:39:12 GMT -5
Rhea needs to be the one to finally beat Bianca. Hopefully they don’t squander Liv’s performance here and actually COMMIT to using her better going forward. This Becky vs. Damage Dorks feud isn’t working. I think the Becky Vs Dmg Cntrl stuff has gotten progressively better ,not saying their is any brilliance going on here but I think how this started with Becky just beating them 3 on 1 to DC actually getting strong booking is positive IMO. But two things need to happen. Becky needs to interact more directly with IYO and Dakota including wrestling both which she has not done in this feud yet even if the central feud is with Bayley. and secondly this feud needs a big moment and the only one that comes to mind is IYO and Dakota turning on Bayley and Bayley going back babyface teaming with Becky to face IYO and Dakota for the womens tag titles at Mania.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2023 15:53:15 GMT -5
The issue is, Damage CTRL still aren’t getting great reactions.
And now they’re just cooling Becky off by, really not depicting her as that big a deal?
Something needs to change SOON!
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 29, 2023 16:06:46 GMT -5
Scott Keith ratings:
Men's Rumble: ****1/2 Mountain Dew Pitch Black: *1/2 Raw Women's: * Women's Rumble: *** Undisputed Universal: ***
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Post by mj0mn0m on Jan 29, 2023 16:16:18 GMT -5
Rhea needs to be the one to finally beat Bianca. Hopefully they don’t squander Liv’s performance here and actually COMMIT to using her better going forward. This Becky vs. Damage Dorks feud isn’t working. What did Liv do tho besides stick around? Finished off DMG CTRL for good by eliminating Bayley. 👆 + Nikkeh
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2023 21:09:35 GMT -5
What did Liv do tho besides stick around? She lasted for over an hour. You can count on one hand the number of people who have done that ever. A lot of people including Rhea who did more than she did but also sat in the corner a lot as well
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2023 21:10:47 GMT -5
What did Liv do tho besides stick around? Finished off DMG CTRL for good by eliminating Bayley. 👆 + Nikkeh So she eliminated a scrub and Bayley ass weight is what dragged her down more than Liv
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Post by schma on Jan 30, 2023 0:50:51 GMT -5
I legit forgot Liv was in the Rumble at one point because her nap in the corner was so long. I get that you can't go 100 for the full hour but it was noticeable the difference between Rhea and Liv.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 30, 2023 4:24:23 GMT -5
IDK maybe I have to watch again but I didn't really notice Liv "napping" or "laying around" much. She didn't have that many eliminations and wasn't given as many spotlight spots as someone like Rhea was so it did seem like she was more in the background for stretches but at the same time it seemed to me she was at least always working and doing something whether it be feeding offense or taking the fight to someone. I thought her bump on the finish was really good too. I think my problem with her performance was more the lack of variety in her offense with the constant spamming of codebreakers. After like the fifth or sixth one it was like "ok can you please do anything else?"
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 30, 2023 4:49:06 GMT -5
I only watched the Rumbles and the post match stuff in the main event. I thought it was funny how much the men's Rumble was catered to the IWC. Gunther getting a Jesus push. Gargano getting a long run. Miz, Kross, Corbin, and Omos all getting trash showings. Thought Dominik was great with his cowardly heel schtick. I thought him lasting as long as he did was surprising but also fits with his character in that he's such a cockroach it makes sense that he would survive. Didn't like Logan Paul eliminating Seth but that spot with Ricochet was amazing I have to give him that. Cody coming in at #30 was a little much. I get wanting to ease him back in and not put too much on him coming back from an injury but why couldn't he come out at like #28 or something like that. Also it was kind of ass backwards booking having it come down to him against Gunther who was #1 in that it made the heel come off like the underdog and the hero face won because he had the easiest path.
I thought the Women's Rumble was good too. Really liked the finish when it got down to Rhea, Liv, and Asuka. Liv getting such a strong showing was a pleasant surprise as she hasn't been featured much on TV lately. Rhea winning was the right choice. Didn't understand why her and Liv had to go coast to coast though. Especially after Gunther and Sheamus both had super long runs after starting the men's Rumble. When people keep constantly doing well from those positions it takes away from the luck of the draw aspect. It doesn't make getting those numbers that daunting of a challenge when so many people who get those numbers either win or come close to winning. I thought with Becky and Bayley getting eliminated half way through they should've had Becky come in early and had Liv and Rhea both come in more in the middle.
Speaking of Becky I thought how they used her was the biggest miss in the match and also continued the strange deemphasizing of her in general since she's come back with her continuously getting bitched out seemingly every week by Damage CTRL who are a pretty cool act themselves right now after getting trucked by Bianca. They had her take a nap spot outside the ring immediately after Damage CTRL beat her up. I don't know why they thought this was necessary with how little actual work in the ring they had planned for her. Then after like ten minutes finally gets back in the ring and dumps the two lackies before Bayley gets the better of her again and dumps her after about a minute. It's like you cool Damage CTRL off immediately but then decide for some reason to sacrifice Becky and diminish her star power by constantly coming off like a chump at their expense. Like it's almost starting to remind of Ryback against the Shield at this point only difference being the Shield were white hot as act and hadn't been jobbed out to some other face before hand. Unless Becky is on the way out or something it just seems like very strange booking.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 30, 2023 5:14:50 GMT -5
Two months ago, Lynch won the WarGames match and we were like “Well, that’s really the end of Damage CTRL as a threat, they lost to the other big star”. She’s spent the time since putting them over constantly and now it’s like “She’s lost too much to them and doesn’t feel like a big star anymore”. Just comes off a bit damned if you do, damned if you don’t to me. Especially within the greater context of the demand for new stars and all clean finishes.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 30, 2023 5:38:27 GMT -5
Two months ago, Lynch won the WarGames match and we were like “Well, that’s really the end of Damage CTRL as a threat, they lost to the other big star”. She’s spent the time since putting them over constantly and now it’s like “She’s lost too much to them and doesn’t feel like a big star anymore”. Just comes off a bit damned if you do, damned if you don’t to me. Especially within the greater context of the demand for new stars and all clean finishes. I know they couldn't because Becky got injured so it was beyond their control but if they had booked it where Damage CTRL runs over Becky first before getting fed to Bianca then it would've made more sense and flowed better. And maybe that was the plan. However either way it's felt really ass backwards in that they fed Damage CTRL to Bianca right away but yet are feeding arguably their biggest star to a damaged act and are making her look like basically a glorified midcarder. I mean I guess maybe Becky gets her heat back on them at some point but right now it just feels like they are doing a lot unnecessary damage to her to put over a stable that doesn't have much of a ceiling anymore. Like what does Bayley really get out of it? She already lost to Bianca and isn't in the title feud anymore so as a result her beating Becky all the time can't really set her up for anything. Also at this point it's looking this feud is getting a Mania match as I don't know where any of them else fit. I really don't know what else they can do with this feud for the next two months as Becky constantly getting her ass kicked by them has gotten repetitive enough as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 11:33:24 GMT -5
It is exactly a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.
Dmg Cntrl were geting clowned just by Bianca alone and people were writing them off as complete failure turtles...and more so when Becky DID clown them all on her ownas well.
Now that they are actually getting decently strong booking , it is a case of boooo Becky should not be slumming it with these losers even though this is exactly what someone of her star power and longevity should be doing as it only helps the division IMO because again she is teflon...she is gonna go against Rhea at some point and no one is even gonna look back on this.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 30, 2023 11:39:43 GMT -5
I think the issue with Damage CTRL still more than anything is just that the act itself sucks. They've done a decent job of late making them more threatening but that hasn't translated into them being interesting.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 30, 2023 11:42:35 GMT -5
I only watched the Rumbles and the post match stuff in the main event. I thought it was funny how much the men's Rumble was catered to the IWC. Gunther getting a Jesus push. Gargano getting a long run. Miz, Kross, Corbin, and Omos all getting trash showings. Thought Dominik was great with his cowardly heel schtick. I thought him lasting as long as he did was surprising but also fits with his character in that he's such a cockroach it makes sense that he would survive. Didn't like Logan Paul eliminating Seth but that spot with Ricochet was amazing I have to give him that. Cody coming in at #30 was a little much. I get wanting to ease him back in and not put too much on him coming back from an injury but why couldn't he come out at like #28 or something like that. Also it was kind of ass backwards booking having it come down to him against Gunther who was #1 in that it made the heel come off like the underdog and the hero face won because he had the easiest path. I thought the Women's Rumble was good too. Really liked the finish when it got down to Rhea, Liv, and Asuka. Liv getting such a strong showing was a pleasant surprise as she hasn't been featured much on TV lately. Rhea winning was the right choice. Didn't understand why her and Liv had to go coast to coast though. Especially after Gunther and Sheamus both had super long runs after starting the men's Rumble. When people keep constantly doing well from those positions it takes away from the luck of the draw aspect. It doesn't make getting those numbers that daunting of a challenge when so many people who get those numbers either win or come close to winning. I thought with Becky and Bayley getting eliminated half way through they should've had Becky come in early and had Liv and Rhea both come in more in the middle. Speaking of Becky I thought how they used her was the biggest miss in the match and also continued the strange deemphasizing of her in general since she's come back with her continuously getting bitched out seemingly every week by Damage CTRL who are a pretty cool act themselves right now after getting trucked by Bianca. They had her take a nap spot outside the ring immediately after Damage CTRL beat her up. I don't know why they thought this was necessary with how little actual work in the ring they had planned for her. Then after like ten minutes finally gets back in the ring and dumps the two lackies before Bayley gets the better of her again and dumps her after about a minute. It's like you cool Damage CTRL off immediately but then decide for some reason to sacrifice Becky and diminish her star power by constantly coming off like a chump at their expense. Like it's almost starting to remind of Ryback against the Shield at this point only difference being the Shield were white hot as act and hadn't been jobbed out to some other face before hand. Unless Becky is on the way out or something it just seems like very strange booking.
Becky was only in the ring for about three minutes of her 11-minute stint, interestingly. I personally liked the structure with Rhea/Liv coming in early as it helped create that element of doubt wondering when Beth Phoenix was going to show up to finish the job, as well as the pattern of Rhea taking big bumps for most of the women she encountered, but there was a notable lull between the first two entrances and Roxanne at #8 where it probably would have helped having another star in there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 11:53:28 GMT -5
I think the issue with Damage CTRL still more than anything is just that the act itself sucks. They've done a decent job of late making them more threatening but that hasn't translated into them being interesting. This goes to a thought of mine I have had in the past. When the focus is on Bayley the group Dynamic isn't very fun I guess....but notice when Kai and Sky take the lead the group feels more lively. Like go back to when IYO was goin in on Asuka and they had that back and forth Baka/Bitch promo and how well recieved it was. I get the central story right now is Becky and Bayley but let Becky get some time with the others because I think there is strong chemistry waiting to just be tapped and they are fresh match ups for Becky.
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