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Post by tekkenguy on Jan 7, 2023 7:21:12 GMT -5
What was your biggest problem with the way Vince booked the company?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 7, 2023 7:28:53 GMT -5
The boxed in nature of everything. Vince eventually became so formulaic and so stubborn about the overall brand being presented a certain way, that so many TV shows became repetitive. People point to 2021 as a low point, but there was an odd monotony setting in as far back as the Supershow era in 2013. The build to PPV's especially constantly fell in the pattern of a type of angle being set up the first week, and then the next month being endless variations of that rather than actual development of stories/builds.
Someone does a dive and Raw going to a commercial break with Michael Cole saying "as Raw rolls on" being a constant weekly event demonstrates just how much the shows became TV dinners where you always knew what you were getting regardless of context.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jan 7, 2023 7:34:11 GMT -5
The fact he couldn’t just book the simplest thing.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 7, 2023 7:57:05 GMT -5
Setting up interesting stories with no plans on how they'll progress before he eventually abandons them without a proper conclusion. Makes it pointless to emotionally invest in anything.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 7, 2023 8:27:30 GMT -5
The boxed in nature of everything. Vince eventually became so formulaic and so stubborn about the overall brand being presented a certain way, that so many TV shows became repetitive. People point to 2021 as a low point, but there was an odd monotony setting in as far back as the Supershow era in 2013. The build to PPV's especially constantly fell in the pattern of a type of angle being set up the first week, and then the next month being endless variations of that rather than actual development of stories/builds. Someone does a dive and Raw going to a commercial break with Michael Cole saying "as Raw rolls on" being a constant weekly event demonstrates just how much the shows became TV dinners where you always knew what you were getting regardless of context.
Repetition and general filler, really, like the cavalcade-of-rollups that was the 24/7 division. There's the 'maybe it's someone's first time watching' argument, but it was so dull that it was hardly an advertisement for the product anyway.
Also, stuff designed to appeal to Vince's puerile sense of humour.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 7, 2023 8:34:03 GMT -5
Oh, let me count the ways:
1. Odd obsession with not mentioning that the world outside of WWE exists. 2. Stubborn, wouldn't ever adjust his booking on the fly unless people really, really fought him on it like they did Daniel Bryan. 3. Screaming at his commentators to act like robots. 4. Juvenile humor that sucks. 5. His inability to book a top babyface. Well, his inability to really book anybody. It's not a coincidence that most top guys actually FEEL like top guys now, and only now. 6. Championships matter more. 7. Events matter more. 8. Women matter more.
It can't be understated - Vince coming back would be catastrophic for the WWE product. Maybe investors won't care, but people will tune out.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jan 7, 2023 9:24:23 GMT -5
This might sound hyperbolic, but just f***ing EVERYTHING. He's so bad at booking/writing a wrestling show that anything he touched immediately was awful.
From commentary, to NXT callups, to booking babyfaces/heels, to his stupid ass quirks/"humor", to the way he treated talent and employees. He's atrociously horrible at his job.
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Post by knightboat on Jan 7, 2023 10:49:12 GMT -5
The spite. You can't convince me he didn't book multiple angles/matches a certain way out of pure spite for his paying audience.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 7, 2023 11:08:33 GMT -5
Even when WWE was “bad” pre 2013-14 or so, you still felt that something could happen and you didn’t want to miss it. Everything for close to a decade has been cookie cutter and paint by numbers
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 7, 2023 11:20:32 GMT -5
The stop/start nature of all the pushes and angles. It just made it so hard to get emotionally invested in anything knowing that it could all go away at any moment.
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Post by Ozman on Jan 7, 2023 11:22:42 GMT -5
Putting Goldberg in title matches. Using a legend like Goldberg for a special attraction is fine, but he shouldn’t have been competing in championship matches during this last run.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 7, 2023 11:24:03 GMT -5
The Misery Booking.
Vince seemed to get off on making the audience miserable.
There are like two times I thought it was funny (especially when it led to Rey Mysterio getting booed as if Joseph Goebbels had just walked through the curtain), but by and large it was pure misery.
The other thing I really hated is that Vince had this weird f***ing idea in his head that "Short Person = Literal Child".
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Post by ssdrivin on Jan 7, 2023 11:26:00 GMT -5
Lots of good points here already, but the top 5 that come to mind (in no particular order): - Endless heel-heavy misery booking
- Disdain for pretty much anything fans actually organically liked (and I guess by extension the whole "booking for an audience of 1" thing)
- Go-nowhere angles (and even talent) that just fall off planet Earth like they never even existed because they didn't make a billion dollars overnight
- Refusal to allow any talent to be "bigger than the company" and constraining any potential breakout talent within a sandbox (and having them recite stupid promos instead of letting them act like themselves turned up to 11)
- Bland repetition
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 11:30:00 GMT -5
No long term booking. It was like he was making it up as he went along.
Also, he never recognized the past. For example, two guys who hated each other would randomly be teaming together just because they're both heels or faces.
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Post by government mule on Jan 7, 2023 11:42:43 GMT -5
The careers he has destroyed by small perceived slights or because he suddenly got bored with them for no justifiable reason.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 7, 2023 11:53:50 GMT -5
The copy and paste layout of TV shows. All shows must start with a 20 min promo and never a match and ext.
It got to the point the last couple years (Not even including the pandemic shows.) The shows felt like well isn't this the show we saw last week? Most of the time same matches or combos. Most of it pointless because it wasn't good the first time. The burial of talent they happen to get more over than the talent HE picks to be the face of the company. See Rusev, Ryder, and ext. if they where not in his plans but get over. How dare they. Angles and storylines that just keep going for ever with no direction. Than later just forgotten with no clear ending and nobody involve gained anything from it. Breaking up tag teams (Men and woman) Just to put them in different tag teams. Nobody that turns gain anything from it. His stupid idea of being a company about wrestling but how dare anybody use the term wrestling or wrestler.
A lot what said above.
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Post by XIII on Jan 7, 2023 12:17:31 GMT -5
He was terrible like 99% of the time only to fall ass backwards into something that caught on and then pretend like that was his plan all along. No, it wasn't because you've been an awful booker way more than you've been a good booker.
Kind of makes me wonder how much guys like Patterson were coming up with back in the day because I find it hard to believe that Vince fell off that hard.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 7, 2023 12:32:40 GMT -5
He was terrible like 99% of the time only to fall ass backwards into something that caught on and then pretend like that was his plan all along. No, it wasn't because you've been an awful booker way more than you've been a good booker. Kind of makes me wonder how much guys like Patterson were coming up with back in the day because I find it hard to believe that Vince fell off that hard. The revisionism to try make Yesslemania seem like a cogent plan in the years following have been borderline tragic. It's especially galling considering just about everyone involved in Daniel Bryan's ascent have been pretty forthcoming about the fact the company had no such plans for him until the audience pretty much just took over the show and demanded it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 7, 2023 13:02:45 GMT -5
Hometown misery booking. Why go out of the way to piss off fans in a wrestler’s hometown by booking them to be beat up?
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 7, 2023 13:08:21 GMT -5
the way everyone talked the same way, as if they were robots reading a thesaurus - ffs no one says medical facility or words like Eviscerates or knocks off
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