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Post by agent817 on Jan 14, 2023 18:02:47 GMT -5
I haven't done threads like this in a while. At the turn of the year, actually on New Year's Eve, I watched the first four Terminator films. Now bear with me on this, the first two movies are classics and still hold up now. I watched the third film for the first time and I see how divisive it can be. I mean, it's not a good film, but I had fun with some of the action scenes and cheesy attempts at comedy (something about Arnold saying "Talk to the hand" made me chuckle).
Then I watched Terminator Salvation and enjoyed it more than I did the last time I watched it. I liked the premise of it taking place during the "future war," so it didn't need to have the same plot of a terminator going back to the past to assassinate someone. Of course, being that it came out during the tail-end of the 2000s, there was that writers strike going on, so there were some issues with the writing of Salvation. While I didn't love the movie, I enjoyed it more than before.
Then you have the two Terminator films of the 2010s, which I have heard mixed things about. Were Genisys and Dark Fate that bad?
However, I have heard good things about "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Should I watch that show?
Where do you stand on the franchise after Terminator 2: Judgment Day? I know a lot of people like to pretend that the series ended at the second film. Fair enough, but regarding the third and fourth films, I am more like "I could watch them again."
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Post by ace on Jan 14, 2023 18:14:41 GMT -5
1. I loved the Sarah Conner Chronicles. Just be prepared to be angry at where it stops.
2. I don’t care what people say…Dark Fate was a fun movie.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 14, 2023 18:16:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen Dark Fate, so I can't comment on it.
Genisys is just dumb, and not in a fun way. It's aggravating and feels like they just grabbed Emilia Clarke and made her Sarah Conner so they could pull in Game of Thrones fans while pushing John off into a dark little corner when the whole f***ing series was always supposed to be about him.
No plot spoilers, but John gets done dirty to an eye rolling degree.
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Post by Moppy on Jan 14, 2023 18:20:53 GMT -5
I always enjoyed T3, though I was 13 years old when it came out, so, of course I was going to love it.
Only caught Salvation last year when it popped up on Netflix. Found it quite enjoyable, very different feel to the others in the franchise, the least in-keeping with Terminator tropes. So while it's quite refreshing in that regard you could probably strip out the Terminator elements and make a straight futuristic sci-fi out of basically the same movie.
Genisys, I mean, what do you even say. We came out of the cinema in hysterics saying what the f*** did any of that mean, so, we had some semblance of fun I guess.
Sorry to say I found Dark Fate quite, well, boring. Which is arguably the worst sin to commit when you're making a Terminator movie.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 14, 2023 18:28:57 GMT -5
Your levity is good. It relieves tension, and the fear of death.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 14, 2023 19:17:47 GMT -5
I quite liked Salvation. It's not on par with the first two but I was pleasantly surprised by it and thought it was better than the reviews at the time suggested.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 14, 2023 19:28:18 GMT -5
T2 was my first Terminator movie. But now the only Terminator film I ever watch is 1. It was a perfect story and a closed time loop. Never needed anything else to be complete.
I may watch T2 if I want to see some amazing action scenes. But anything else I would never bother with.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 14, 2023 19:40:46 GMT -5
T3 is a great romp of a movie, just bogged down by being an unnecessary sequel to perhaps the best sequel of all time. But, yes, still a really fun movie. Haven't seen te rest and quite frankly, I'm in no rush to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 20:06:27 GMT -5
Between the four post T2 films there’s like one and half great movies if you compiled them all together
Three was dumb fun. I don’t really understand how the new female terminator was upgrade over Robert Patrick. Badass ending.
Salvation was cool, got dumb towards to the end… so instead of just killing John Connor when they had a chance their plan was they just let him come inside a huge Skynet base just so they could have a naked Arnold kill him because reasons and post apocalyptic heart surgery?
Genasys oof that was really dumb, I did have some cool moments and neat ideas (the twist was okay I think?) and Emile is always a treat, but what a poor film overall. Why did they have a meat head like Jai play John Reese. My head hurts thinking of the time travel and what a terrible use of Matt Smith.
Dark Fate. It was great to see Sarah back but i didn’t care about either of the two new characters. I enjoyed the ghost rider guy as the new terminator. Genasy was probably a worse film but at least it was trying to be fun. This was just a slog. The new John Connor type character her big moment to rally people felt like it was some collage girl protesting not enough vegetarian choices in the cafeteria.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 14, 2023 21:47:22 GMT -5
T3 wasn't a great movie, but it was solid and I do think it did a good job wrapping up the Terminator story in general, at least a better job then any subsequent attempts did. I would've been personally happy if this was where the franchise ended.
Salvation is a fun popcorn flick, the kind of thing you watch on basic cable late at night, mostly enjoy, but completely forget about the next morning. Although I still eye roll at the ending where a trained veterinarian somehow manages to perform successful heart transplant surgery in a grimy, outdoor field triage hospital in the middle of the desert.
Genisys just sucked, which is a shame because out of all the post T2 movies I really felt this one had the best concept for re-invigorating the franchise. Just openly acknowledging that time travel from both sides has left the timeline a mess and nobody is sure who's winning, what winning even means anymore or how to fix it. Could've been a really interesting movie if put in better hands.
Dark Fate was an ok movie I guess, but just so completely unnecessary. Between that and the fact that I was just so done with this franchise made it impossible for me to make any kind of emotional investment in it.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 14, 2023 21:54:12 GMT -5
At least Salvation tried something different outside the standard time travel plot. Then Genisys was just a mess and Dark Fate just felt like checking off the "greatest hits" of the first two films. {Spoiler}It's like shake things up by killing off John Connor, okay. Risky but it's means your not bound to the messiah figure trope and can branch out. But then you replace John Connor with an entirely different messiah figure and rehash the plot of the first Terminator with parts of T2 sprinkled in.
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Post by ace on Jan 14, 2023 22:47:04 GMT -5
At least Salvation tried something different outside the standard time travel plot. Then Genisys was just a mess and Dark Fate just felt like checking off the "greatest hits" of the first two films. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's like shake things up by killing off John Connor, okay. Risky but it's means your not bound to the messiah figure trope and can branch out. But then you replace John Connor with an entirely different messiah figure and rehash the plot of the first Terminator with parts of T2 sprinkled in. Doesn’t that conceptually make total sense…and moreso provide an interesting take on the central conceit of the franchise. While also saying something good about humanity’s chances in general? For all these movies the mission of the machines was to stop John Connor from leading the rebellion. They, and we, never bothered to consider someone else would just step up to do it in his stead if they were to succeed. it undoes the messiah figure trope you don’t like in the best way and replaces it with a better mythology. One where someone will always rise up to stand in their way
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jan 15, 2023 1:19:53 GMT -5
T3 was aright at best.
Everything after that has been godawful.
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Post by thechase on Jan 15, 2023 6:53:54 GMT -5
Dark Fate I feel had the best potential out of all the post-T2 movies, but the threat wasn't any more unique.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 15, 2023 6:56:13 GMT -5
Really the whole core premise of trying to continue from Terminator 2 just wrecks what works about it? Like the whole point is averting the bad future, you can't really make sequels to it that feel like it without just retreading the same ground and undermining it in the process. If they want to keep trying to milk this series they really should probably just reboot it and this time structure it in a way more conductive to sequels.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 15, 2023 8:12:23 GMT -5
Really the whole core premise of trying to continue from Terminator 2 just wrecks what works about it? Like the whole point is averting the bad future, you can't really make sequels to it that feel like it without just retreading the same ground and undermining it in the process. If they want to keep trying to milk this series they really should probably just reboot it and this time structure it in a way more conductive to sequels. Exactly. I prefer T1 only because of the time loop. But T2 just posits that the loop can be broken and Skynet averted which is not my preference but its fine. Once you get to T3 and people saying judgement day is inevitable and destiny then you completely lose me.
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Post by Fade on Jan 15, 2023 15:40:34 GMT -5
I haven't done threads like this in a while. At the turn of the year, actually on New Year's Eve, I watched the first four Terminator films. Now bear with me on this, the first two movies are classics and still hold up now. I watched the third film for the first time and I see how divisive it can be. I mean, it's not a good film, but I had fun with some of the action scenes and cheesy attempts at comedy (something about Arnold saying "Talk to the hand" made me chuckle). Then I watched Terminator Salvation and enjoyed it more than I did the last time I watched it. I liked the premise of it taking place during the "future war," so it didn't need to have the same plot of a terminator going back to the past to assassinate someone. Of course, being that it came out during the tail-end of the 2000s, there was that writers strike going on, so there were some issues with the writing of Salvation. While I didn't love the movie, I enjoyed it more than before. Then you have the two Terminator films of the 2010s, which I have heard mixed things about. Were Genisys and Dark Fate that bad? However, I have heard good things about "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Should I watch that show? Where do you stand on the franchise after Terminator 2: Judgment Day? I know a lot of people like to pretend that the series ended at the second film. Fair enough, but regarding the third and fourth films, I am more like "I could watch them again." Pretty much agree. Genisys had cool ideas but didn’t work. Same with Dark Fate. Solid direction too. But the franchise is dead.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 15, 2023 16:20:49 GMT -5
saw T2 in the cinema in TWO double-bills ... one with silence of the lambs, the other with the totally and completely successful highlander 2! the original is bona fido classic T3 ... it took a bit of getting used too, especially THAT scene ... but nonetheless it was fun, with an astounding chase sequence with all those emergency vehicles and crane ... and a VERY dark ending! salvation's first part is a mess, but it get's up onto his feet LIKE A SOLDIER DOES, and gets to it's end ... still the worst one for me though genIsys as I always call it is wonderfully subversive, with how they used john conner in it, and how they mashed up many ideas from the previous ... and you can't not love emilia in it, well i can't not ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) dark fate was okay i guess, might have to give it another go to fully appreciate it sarah conner chronicles was awesome, a fully realised terminator series, or two, that really dug deep into the story, alas like so many others ... it got ... *sigh* ... terminated too soon! didn't read any of the comics or graphic novels about it, never was one of those types it's interesting to see how the overall story develops, because this is about TIME TRAVEL, and as you know, it's never the same story twice ... i think ...
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 15, 2023 16:27:00 GMT -5
I always thought you could do something interesting with a post T2 film where the there was a quasi apocalyptic event, but the machines never rose. Essentially you have a road picture of John and Sarah in a devastated (but not destroyed) United States and the whole thing is basically a character piece of the two of them trying to find their place in a future that's neither quite peace nor war. John especially would be someone struggling with wondering how much difference his actions really made and with humanity too divided to have a leader, not knowing what he's meant to do. Heck have a few makeshift machine units being used as couriers/transportation by the civilizations that are left; like a cosmic joke on the Connors that the once powerful AI forces in another timeline are now glorified mailmen not worth fighting in this one.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 15, 2023 20:02:50 GMT -5
T2 was my first Terminator movie. But now the only Terminator film I ever watch is 1. It was a perfect story and a closed time loop. Never needed anything else to be complete. I may watch T2 if I want to see some amazing action scenes. But anything else I would never bother with. Since I saw it in theaters I haven't like T2. Too many flaws in it's logic,with how time travel works. But I do like 3,4,5,6 and the TV show. Hell the novels set after t2 are good. The comics from NOW and Dark Horse are good. But
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