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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 27, 2023 18:37:52 GMT -5
I have already said this but Sami winning just screws up alot of things and leave alot of people in kind of limbo. Sami winning well there goes KO going for the tag titles against the Uso's despite being securely teathered to Sami and the Bloodline story as much as the others are , so what do you do with him? and the Uso's are gonna do what exactly? fight profits again? because they aint no other teams they have not already run through. Cody's corination well that gets iced so what to do with him? Keeping Sami out of the rumble via Roman ordering him not to enter (thus negating any backlash) and Cody winning is IMO the correct and right move. But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 18:43:33 GMT -5
I have already said this but Sami winning just screws up alot of things and leave alot of people in kind of limbo. Sami winning well there goes KO going for the tag titles against the Uso's despite being securely teathered to Sami and the Bloodline story as much as the others are , so what do you do with him? and the Uso's are gonna do what exactly? fight profits again? because they aint no other teams they have not already run through. Cody's corination well that gets iced so what to do with him? Keeping Sami out of the rumble via Roman ordering him not to enter (thus negating any backlash) and Cody winning is IMO the correct and right move. But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one". Cody is 2002 HHH simple as that. And to reiterate a point Sami's story is and never has been about Roman it has been Sami and the Uso's which is exactly why it makes sense that he go for the tag titles...this is not to say he be boxed in and not get crowned at a later date but his story was made crystal clear on Monday IMO.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 27, 2023 18:46:03 GMT -5
I really don't see how on earth Sami's storyline ISN'T about Roman. Like yeah, the Usos are a significant part of it, but the Usos primarily exist as Roman's f***boys and the entire freaking story dynamic is about Sami being desperate to win Roman's favor and kiss up to him. It's only "not about Roman" in as much as Avatar: The Last Airbender "isn't about Ozai" because he only actually gets off his throne and does something in the last episode.
Hell, the segment on Raw, it was Roman making the decision whether or not Sami got to stay. Jey interjected, sure, but Roman's the one who wanted to hold the trial, who oversaw it, whose manager made the argument Sami should be kicked out, who's currently bitter toward Sami, and who made the ultimate decision. The Usos are extensions of his will and motivations, not the central threats here.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2023 18:58:09 GMT -5
I have already said this but Sami winning just screws up alot of things and leave alot of people in kind of limbo. Sami winning well there goes KO going for the tag titles against the Uso's despite being securely teathered to Sami and the Bloodline story as much as the others are , so what do you do with him? and the Uso's are gonna do what exactly? fight profits again? because they aint no other teams they have not already run through. Cody's corination well that gets iced so what to do with him? Keeping Sami out of the rumble via Roman ordering him not to enter (thus negating any backlash) and Cody winning is IMO the correct and right move. But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one". I’ve asked people to explain what Cody’s story is and best I got is “Dusty and Dustin never won the WWE championship, so Cody wants to” Which, isn’t a story. I’ve never won the championship either. Cody is likely winning the Rumble, then we live in the world where people are gonna get super, super pissed if WWE does it’s thing and holds the win off until SummerSlam.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 19:02:26 GMT -5
I really don't see how on earth Sami's storyline ISN'T about Roman. Like yeah, the Usos are a significant part of it, but the Usos primarily exist as Roman's f***boys and the entire freaking story dynamic is about Sami being desperate to win Roman's favor and kiss up to him. It's only "not about Roman" in as much as Avatar: The Last Airbender "isn't about Ozai" because he only actually gets off his throne and does something in the last episode. Hell, the segment on Raw, it was Roman making the decision whether or not Sami got to stay. Jey interjected, sure, but Roman's the one who wanted to hold the trial, who oversaw it, whose manager made the argument Sami should be kicked out, who's currently bitter toward Sami, and who made the ultimate decision. The Usos are extensions of his will and motivations, not the central threats here. All fair points. But how hasn't this entire thing been about Sami and the Uso's specifically Jey? from the beginning it was about Jey disproving , staying in chiefs ear about how Sami should not be trusted about how Sami is not family etc and Jimmy was the one embracing and accepting him into the family. The entire thing has been revolving around Jey and Sami...from the rocky start , to the whole being Ucey , to Jey supposedly finally embracing and aknowleding Sami as a brother and then they defended the freaking titles together. Sami may want the chiefs approval but so does the rest of the bloodline by falling in line...Sami's entire thing with Jey has been the central force of this entire thing because without it there is no Ucey , there is no disaproval and thus no tension, there is no tribal trial with Jey finally accepting him and delcaring him his brother in what was the stand out moment of that entire segment. Roman casts the shadow that everyone else is revolving around but without Jey uso IMO Sami is not in the position he is with many clammoring for him to win the rumble right now.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 27, 2023 19:08:01 GMT -5
But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one". I’ve asked people to explain what Cody’s story is and best I got is “Dusty and Dustin never won the WWE championship, so Cody wants to” Which, isn’t a story. I’ve never won the championship either. Cody is likely winning the Rumble, then we live in the world where people are gonna get super, super pissed if WWE does it’s thing and holds the win off until SummerSlam. Right. "Aww, shucks, I'd sure like to win it" isn't a story. That should be the default for every wrestler on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 19:09:26 GMT -5
I really think you need to have sami win it
just have cody win at elimination chamber for the other belt and this gives proper time to PROPERLY build up the cody story
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2023 19:20:41 GMT -5
I really think you need to have sami win it just have cody win at elimination chamber for the other belt and this gives proper time to PROPERLY build up the cody story Elimination Chamber needs something since the Usos can’t be there, so I imagine it’ll be Sami and KO winning the shot for the tags at Mania, but your idea is fine.
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Post by mc74 on Jan 28, 2023 1:17:47 GMT -5
The only other logical choice would be Sami. The story is already there for you to build on, and we're talking about a story that has months of months of build behind it. Having Sami win the Rumble and dethrone Roman at Wrestlemania would be the ultimate payoff to it. The storytelling plays an important part in making a Wrestlemania main event feel special. Without it, it just makes the main event feel like another typical title match.
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Post by mc74 on Jan 28, 2023 1:23:48 GMT -5
If Austin turns them down, I wonder how far they will go with their former star picks. Will we finally see the return of Ken Shamrock? Not gonna lie, I'd watch Shamrock vs. Roman at Wrestlemania. Watch Vince have Brock win it.
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Post by XIII on Jan 28, 2023 1:38:45 GMT -5
It’s Sami or bust for me.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 28, 2023 1:45:46 GMT -5
What's annoying about this Roman title run is everything about it has logically set up someone from his group taking the belt from him. Literally almost every storyling involving them has been "Roman doesn't trust that 'x' is committed to the family, he tests them, and then they eventually prove their loyalty." First it was Jey, then it was Jimmy, then it might have been Paul Heyman somewhere in-between, then it was Jey again, then it was Sami, then it was... probably Jey again, and now it's Sami again. It's been the same thing on repeat for 2+ years.
Problem is that none of therse guys are positioned to actually be big time stars this company will push going forward in the long term which makes that potential result seem like a waste. Because if Cody comes in and beats him, that's all fine, but what was the point of the constant infighting during the long-ass title reign?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 28, 2023 3:37:27 GMT -5
Honestly, a bigger f*** up would be if somehow The Rock rumors were true and he ended up winning the Rumble.
Because you’d be screwing up two surefire things and even with Roman going on Fallon basically talking about the “Rock’s not ready” rumors, it’s not even something to 100% rule out until the Men’s Rumble match is over.
Like, the chances went from 1% to 0.5% but that isn’t 0%.
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Post by Andew9001 on Jan 28, 2023 4:44:25 GMT -5
If The Rock isn't in it then Cody wins it.
But
Depending on how the next few months go then i feel either a few things could happen.
Cody wins the rumble and beats Roman for the Undisputed title. Either the WWE and Universal titles officially merge or they then break up the titles and Cody loses one of them. KO and Sami get one or both sets of tag belts. The World title is then brought back.
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Cody AND Sami both win the rumble in a convoluted manner. Cody gets Roman for the WWE and Sami gets Roman for the Universal title and each match headlines a night. In that scenario Cody wins but Sami loses even though i'd want him to win.
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The same scenario happens. Triple threat instead in which Cody pins Sami cause gottsta keep Roman strong lol
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Post by deviljatt86 on Jan 28, 2023 8:50:33 GMT -5
So, I was thinking the other day about other possible winners that would be accepted by the fans and that also have a good storyline, and I thought about Big E. Now, I don't know the status of his injury and rehab, but since I couldn't find any recent updates about it, I figured that it could be kept secret for a surprise reveal. I think this would be a great story and play off the Survivor Series Match from 2021, and also that I think that Big E never got his rematch for losing the WWE Title. This leaves Sami to tag with KO and wrestle the USOs for the Tag Titles and I think Cody can wrestle almost main-eventer for a big match.
P.S. Regarding Cody, I don't like ruining the comebacks of people from injury by announcing their return. It takes away from the genuine reaction of the return in my opinion. For example, look at Edge's return in the Royal Rumble in 2020 and how wild the crowd went. It would have been great to see Cody get that kind of reaction too. It makes sense if there are two returns from injury, in my opinion.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 28, 2023 8:57:12 GMT -5
So, I was thinking the other day about other possible winners that would be accepted by the fans and that also have a good storyline, and I thought about Big E. Now, I don't know the status of his injury and rehab, but since I couldn't find any recent updates about it, I figured that it could be kept secret for a surprise reveal. I think this would be a great story and play off the Survivor Series Match from 2021, and also that I think that Big E never got his rematch for losing the WWE Title. This leaves Sami to tag with KO and wrestle the USOs for the Tag Titles and I think Cody can wrestle almost main-eventer for a big match. P.S. Regarding Cody, I don't like ruining the comebacks of people from injury by announcing their return. It takes away from the genuine reaction of the return in my opinion. For example, look at Edge's return in the Royal Rumble in 2020 and how wild the crowd went. It would have been great to see Cody get that kind of reaction too. It makes sense if there are two returns from injury, in my opinion. Big E’s not happening. He’s gotta have his one year evaluation on his recovering neck, and there’ll be no way he’s getting cleared before that happens.
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Post by Marvelous1LUFC on Jan 28, 2023 12:09:15 GMT -5
Sami Or Riddle
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Post by BlahBlah on Jan 28, 2023 12:13:22 GMT -5
I have already said this but Sami winning just screws up alot of things and leave alot of people in kind of limbo. Sami winning well there goes KO going for the tag titles against the Uso's despite being securely teathered to Sami and the Bloodline story as much as the others are , so what do you do with him? and the Uso's are gonna do what exactly? fight profits again? because they aint no other teams they have not already run through. Cody's corination well that gets iced so what to do with him? Keeping Sami out of the rumble via Roman ordering him not to enter (thus negating any backlash) and Cody winning is IMO the correct and right move. But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one". Cody cut that initial promo outlining why he was back and it was ultra compelling and infinitely more than just I've been gone a long time. I say this as somebody who's not a huge fan of Cody at all. He should be the one to win it and dethrone Reigns, he's a pure babyface it makes all the sense in the world. Zayn/Owens would make excellent tag team champs and pay off the Uso story perfectly.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 28, 2023 12:17:08 GMT -5
But again, what is Cody's story in this other than "I've been gone a long time and now I'm back"? Sami's worked his butt off to become the most over guy right now, that needs to be rewarded, and with more than just "Welp, here's the tag titles, enjoy feuding with Top Dolla and the other one". Cody cut that initial promo outlining why he was back and it was ultra compelling and infinitely more than just I've been gone a long time. I say this as somebody who's not a huge fan of Cody at all. He should be the one to win it and dethrone Reigns, he's a pure babyface it makes all the sense in the world. Zayn/Owens would make excellent tag team champs and pay off the Uso story perfectly. Again, "My dad didn't win it, so I want to" isn't a story. Zayn's story builds organically up to him stepping up to Roman, and not having to settle for the....f***, the tag team championship isn't even "silver" medal, it's like....the tin medal, in the WWE?
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Post by XIII on Jan 28, 2023 12:21:45 GMT -5
I really dislike the idea of Roman having two defenses at Mania. He's had a long-assed title reign and one person should beat him for both titles and they can split them from there somehow if they want or just officially unify them and the new guy can work both Raw and SD.
I think that the right choice is Sami as he makes the most sense storywise and he's over.
Cody is over but doesn't really make much sense storywise.
The Rock should be the final boss of Bloodline activities and 100% shouldn't have a title involved. I'd be down for a Tribal Death Match between the Rock and Roman with the Tribal Elders looking on.
So all of that said: I'd have Sami win the Runble and beat Roman for the titles perhaps with Rock running out to chase the Bloodline off. Sami can then relinquish one of the belts which can then be won in a tournament by Cody(since the E loves tournaments lately) and the main event of Summerslam is Rock/Roman in the final act of the Bloodline(Roman will have taken some time off after Mania).
Hopefully it's something interesting and with a good story and not just Cody being injured and now he's back and oh yeah my dad was a bigger legend than your dad or something equally as lame.
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