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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 29, 2023 22:47:06 GMT -5
Oh he needs to lose around Mania at least 2-3 times to cause the full mental breakdown. I just mean people overreact when guys take losses sometimes. Roman is a big boy…he can take it. Just because it can happen, does not mean it would be prudent for the payoff for such long-term booking. Oh I don’t mean before Mania. Those losses need to start coming at Mania.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 30, 2023 0:13:18 GMT -5
I will be cool with Sami winning the belts of Roman but, oddly, I see arguments elsewhere that act like Cody Rhodes is 2014 Batista (post rumble return) regarding his overness. Cody is extremely over and a megastar. I don't think this is a decision of right or wrong decision as there are strong arguments for either Sami or Cody. No need to downplay Cody to highlight how good of a job Sami is doing.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 30, 2023 0:14:49 GMT -5
Just because it can happen, does not mean it would be prudent for the payoff for such long-term booking. Oh I don’t mean before Mania. Those losses need to start coming at Mania. when I say "losses" I don't mean Roman eating pins, just him losing his cool more often and getting laid out in brawls (which we did see a bit of leading up to Royal Rumble). Just signs that this dominant all-encompassing force has some cracks in the armor that will be readily exploited by the faces.
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Post by schma on Jan 30, 2023 0:45:50 GMT -5
If I learned one thing after the Bloodline story, it's that some of you will never be happy with anything WWE does. This was magnificent storytelling over a year plus, an arc that was visible but still loaded with anticipation. The heat Roman is getting is legit hatred heat, not "why is this dude in the main event again?" heat. The pop when Sami hit him......the reactions by Heyman, Jey, Roman. Literally perfect professional wrestling storytelling. It was awesome and I think most recognize that. At the same time there were a lot of lulls in the story. Keep in mind the bloodline has been going more than a year. I think of it like a TV show I enjoy where they have a great season long arc, but some of the episodes in that season are slogs to get through. That said, I think the vast majority loved last night and want the rest to live up to it.
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Post by avenger on Jan 30, 2023 3:08:53 GMT -5
You don't have that ending to a Royal Rumble PPV, as the start of the Road to Wrestlemania, and not have the climax to that storyline as the main event of the whole thing. You don't have that ending to a Royal Rumble PPV, where commentary have started pushing that Roman has not been pinned for three years, and have him beaten for a title (the WWE title at that!) before Wrestlemania. Cody's going to have to pull a John Cena from 2008 - come out to the ring, say that his months out have taught him that anything can happen, and he doesn't want to wait for Wrestlemania. He wants Roman at Elimination Chamber. You can have Roman win by whataver shenanigans needed to push the story - even have him win by countout as he confronts a still conflicted Jey Uso in the aisle. Cody's time will come. It's just not now. Your scenario Lex Luger’s Cody. Respectfully, I really, really hope it doesn’t happen. Apples and oranges. Everything was thrown at Luger, and he was supposed to get the Wrestlemania coronation, but the fans never took to him. That was because he was a terrible wrestler, and a worse actor, because he was positioned at the top from the start of his career, was given opportunity after opportunity because of his look, and had no interest in improving, because he had no passion for wrestling. McMahon only got cold feet over him because the fans cooled, and the double winner ending was done to test whether Luger was more over than Bret (he wasn't), and Bret got the win. Cody is the complete opposite. He's continually reinvented himself, he's dedicated himself to improving himself, and where Luger left WCW for the easy life of McMahon's World Bodybuilding Federation knowing he wouldn't be allowed to wrestle for a year, Cody took the risk of leaving the WWE to work the indies and ended up helping create AEW. Whatever criticisms people may have over Cody, you can't criticise his passion for the business.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jan 30, 2023 7:50:09 GMT -5
Been a long old time since I commented on anything wrestling related so forgive me if I'm out of touch.
But with Elimination Chamber coming up next month in Montreal, they have to give Sami a sniff at the belt at least?
Personally I'd be looking to split the belts at that PPV and stick say the Universal Title on Sami, even just for a brief run. Plus if they're going to shoehorn Rocky into the equation to fight Roman at some point, what better way than to have him run interference and cost Roman the belt. Keeps him out of a Mania match at least.
As I said, I'm probably way out of touch.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 30, 2023 7:55:23 GMT -5
Your scenario Lex Luger’s Cody. Respectfully, I really, really hope it doesn’t happen. Apples and oranges. Everything was thrown at Luger, and he was supposed to get the Wrestlemania coronation, but the fans never took to him. That was because he was a terrible wrestler, and a worse actor, because he was positioned at the top from the start of his career, was given opportunity after opportunity because of his look, and had no interest in improving, because he had no passion for wrestling. McMahon only got cold feet over him because the fans cooled, and the double winner ending was done to test whether Luger was more over than Bret (he wasn't), and Bret got the win. Cody is the complete opposite. He's continually reinvented himself, he's dedicated himself to improving himself, and where Luger left WCW for the easy life of McMahon's World Bodybuilding Federation knowing he wouldn't be allowed to wrestle for a year, Cody took the risk of leaving the WWE to work the indies and ended up helping create AEW. Whatever criticisms people may have over Cody, you can't criticise his passion for the business. There’s just been projection of “Latter Days in AEW” Cody, who couldn’t get cheered even if he threw himself through a burning table for this WWE run. To Cody’s credit, he’s been cheered unanimously this time around and looks like the babyface he was meant to be.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 30, 2023 8:49:54 GMT -5
I will be cool with Sami winning the belts of Roman but, oddly, I see arguments elsewhere that act like Cody Rhodes is 2014 Batista (post rumble return) regarding his overness. Cody is extremely over and a megastar. I don't think this is a decision of right or wrong decision as there are strong arguments for either Sami or Cody. No need to downplay Cody to highlight how good of a job Sami is doing. Again, Cody merch was selling out in San Antonio during Rumble weekend. If Batista merch was doing the same when he won the 2014 Rumble, we’d be telling a different story but as far as I could tell, it really didn’t. That’s the key difference.
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Post by Legion on Jan 30, 2023 9:32:40 GMT -5
Sami is in the Mankind spot from early '99.
He isnt mean to be in the main event and there was meant to be a slightly different story, but the crowd has captured something organically and now want to see it.
The problem is, with the way Roman has been booked, and the way titles arent hot potatoed these days, there is no transitional run space for Sami. WWE isnt going to pivot off the Cody story for Sami, outside of him getting a title match and losing, which isnt going to be satisfying. There is a risk the crowd turns on Cody cos they wont get that moment they want, like the '99 crowd did.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 30, 2023 9:45:48 GMT -5
Sami is in the Mankind spot from early '99. He isnt mean to be in the main event and there was meant to be a slightly different story, but the crowd has captured something organically and now want to see it. The problem is, with the way Roman has been booked, and the way titles arent hot potatoed these days, there is no transitional run space for Sami. WWE isnt going to pivot off the Cody story for Sami, outside of him getting a title match and losing, which isnt going to be satisfying. There is a risk the crowd turns on Cody cos they wont get that moment they want, like the '99 crowd did. The difference here is Sami isn’t just gonna get shoved down to the bottom after Elimination Chamber. He’s likely gonna get a Mania moment with Owens as they win the tag titles, which is just as important, imo.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 30, 2023 9:46:57 GMT -5
Meltzer confirmed in his daily update that Roman will face Sami in Montreal at Elimination Chamber (which does leave the question open as to what the men's chamber is for - probably either the US/Intercontinental titles).
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Jan 30, 2023 9:50:25 GMT -5
Meltzer confirmed in his daily update that Roman will face Sami in Montreal at Elimination Chamber (which does leave the question open as to what the men's chamber is for - probably either the US/Intercontinental titles). My guess is the IC title
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 30, 2023 9:55:41 GMT -5
Your scenario Lex Luger’s Cody. Respectfully, I really, really hope it doesn’t happen. Apples and oranges. Everything was thrown at Luger, and he was supposed to get the Wrestlemania coronation, but the fans never took to him. That was because he was a terrible wrestler, and a worse actor, because he was positioned at the top from the start of his career, was given opportunity after opportunity because of his look, and had no interest in improving, because he had no passion for wrestling. McMahon only got cold feet over him because the fans cooled, and the double winner ending was done to test whether Luger was more over than Bret (he wasn't), and Bret got the win. Cody is the complete opposite. He's continually reinvented himself, he's dedicated himself to improving himself, and where Luger left WCW for the easy life of McMahon's World Bodybuilding Federation knowing he wouldn't be allowed to wrestle for a year, Cody took the risk of leaving the WWE to work the indies and ended up helping create AEW. Whatever criticisms people may have over Cody, you can't criticise his passion for the business. I know. My point is that they've built this up enough that if you have him lose at Chamber only to see Sami beat Roman at Mania, you're kind of making him look like a shmuck. I just think they need to stay the course. Based on what Meltzer's saying about Sami/Roman at EC, that might be the case.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 30, 2023 10:05:02 GMT -5
If I learned one thing after the Bloodline story, it's that some of you will never be happy with anything WWE does. This was magnificent storytelling over a year plus, an arc that was visible but still loaded with anticipation. The heat Roman is getting is legit hatred heat, not "why is this dude in the main event again?" heat. The pop when Sami hit him......the reactions by Heyman, Jey, Roman. Literally perfect professional wrestling storytelling. Except there were things on the Rumble show I enjoyed while this wasn't one of them, but go ahead and generalize some more about your opinion being the only one that matters. I recognize Roman's over, I recognize this story's got tons of people invested, I recognize this is going down super well with a lot of people. Doesn't change that I just flat out don't enjoy the dude's work, think this title reign sucks ass and think the show would be better if it weren't about him, and none of that stuff it has going for it invalidates that perspective, and it doesn't mean that WWE can do no right by me because there is other stuff going on at the same time I'm into.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 30, 2023 13:07:25 GMT -5
I haven't kept up with the thread. Do we have an option where Sami wins one of the titles so we can split the belts up?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 30, 2023 13:23:30 GMT -5
Meltzer confirmed in his daily update that Roman will face Sami in Montreal at Elimination Chamber (which does leave the question open as to what the men's chamber is for - probably either the US/Intercontinental titles). There doesn't necessarily have to be a men's chamber. I could see there just being one chamber match and it being to determine who challenges the Women's champion that Rhea isn't facing. Also, hopefully that night Roman gets a Cena ONS 2006 reaction from start to finish. I don't think you can quite get to that level in a 50-80,000 seat stadium show but in a crammed Bell Centre they might boo him worse than they did HBK in the same building during that famous 2005 promo.
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Post by BRV on Jan 30, 2023 14:17:09 GMT -5
I haven't kept up with the thread. Do we have an option where Sami wins one of the titles so we can split the belts up? The more I think about it, the more I've come to dislike the idea of splitting the belts over WrestleMania weekend. There's positive and negative to it, sure. The positive being that Cody Rhodes completes his quest to fulfill his family legacy and win the WWE Championship, which his father never won, while Sami Zayn could win the Universal Championship on night two, thus driving Roman Reigns mad that he's now left with nothing and no one around him any more. That being said, it'll almost feel like watering down the significance of Roman Reigns' first championship loss in nearly 1,000 days and his first loss period since December 2019, if you're going to have him just lose twice in back-to-back nights - because let's be honest, if he's losing Saturday night, he's losing both nights. I still think the natural progression of this story is for Sami Zayn to call on Kevin Owens and go after the Usos for the Tag Team Championships. That's what they've been telling for months now. It's never been about Sami versus Roman. It's been about Sami's fight for acceptance and his realization that the one person who's always accepted him has been there this whole time. By no means is it a demotion - sure, anything that isn't a world championship match is considered a step down - but as I've said a million times before, Zayn/Owens vs. The Usos for the tag team titles is a legitimate night one WrestleMania main event. It elevates the importance of the titles, it makes all four competitors in the ring legitimate main eventers, and it continues the Bloodline story toward its (potential) conclusion on WrestleMania Sunday.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 30, 2023 14:21:36 GMT -5
FYI in advance I'm gonna f***ing ugly cry when Sami has a big climactic match in this storyline and gets Worlds Apart back
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 30, 2023 15:33:45 GMT -5
I haven't kept up with the thread. Do we have an option where Sami wins one of the titles so we can split the belts up? The more I think about it, the more I've come to dislike the idea of splitting the belts over WrestleMania weekend. There's positive and negative to it, sure. The positive being that Cody Rhodes completes his quest to fulfill his family legacy and win the WWE Championship, which his father never won, while Sami Zayn could win the Universal Championship on night two, thus driving Roman Reigns mad that he's now left with nothing and no one around him any more. That being said, it'll almost feel like watering down the significance of Roman Reigns' first championship loss in nearly 1,000 days and his first loss period since December 2019, if you're going to have him just lose twice in back-to-back nights - because let's be honest, if he's losing Saturday night, he's losing both nights. I still think the natural progression of this story is for Sami Zayn to call on Kevin Owens and go after the Usos for the Tag Team Championships. That's what they've been telling for months now. It's never been about Sami versus Roman. It's been about Sami's fight for acceptance and his realization that the one person who's always accepted him has been there this whole time. By no means is it a demotion - sure, anything that isn't a world championship match is considered a step down - but as I've said a million times before, Zayn/Owens vs. The Usos for the tag team titles is a legitimate night one WrestleMania main event. It elevates the importance of the titles, it makes all four competitors in the ring legitimate main eventers, and it continues the Bloodline story toward its (potential) conclusion on WrestleMania Sunday. You bring up great points, and I thought about how Roman losing at any point could cheapen a Mania loss. Sami and Owens dethroning the Usos at Mania works too. We're just in that weird spot where they may be very close to painting themselves in a corner. Every week counts now more than ever to put everyone in the right position.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 30, 2023 15:36:14 GMT -5
FYI in advance I'm gonna f***ing ugly cry when Sami has a big climactic match in this storyline and gets Worlds Apart back I think even if he eventually gets a new theme because of all the CFO$ stuff, he's 100% walking into Elimination Chamber with World's Apart. I'd be stunned if it didn't happen.
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