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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 12:35:40 GMT -5
Who are these hypothetical kids reading comics?
I work at an after school program with about 100 kids. None of them read comics. They certainly watch movies and tv shows featuring comic book characters. They play video games and use coloring books of comic characters, wear shirts of comic characters, etc. No actual comic reading or collecting is done by these kids. Not to mention out of my 5 nephews and 4 nieces only one casually reads comics and he's 20.
We need to stop worrying about these hypothetical comic book reading kids that don't exist. No child is going to buy a collection of the origin story of Uncle Scrooge. Its something with an adult market.
As for this type of censorship in general, yes, we absolutely need to make sure that current stuff fits with current standards of society. I don't understand censoring the past. We certainly shouldn't "celebrate" problematic stuff from the past, but pretending it doesn't exist is ridiculous. It will only lead to people pirating the banned media that want it anyway.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 15, 2023 12:59:59 GMT -5
Who are these hypothetical kids reading comics? I work at an after school program with about 100 kids. None of them read comics. They certainly watch movies and tv shows featuring comic book characters. They play video games and use coloring books of comic characters, wear shirts of comic characters, etc. No actual comic reading or collecting is done by these kids. Not to mention out of my 5 nephews and 4 nieces only one casually reads comics and he's 20. We need to stop worrying about these hypothetical comic book reading kids that don't exist. No child is going to buy a collection of the origin story of Uncle Scrooge. Its something with an adult market. As for this type of censorship in general, yes, we absolutely need to make sure that current stuff fits with current standards of society. I don't understand censoring the past. We certainly shouldn't "celebrate" problematic stuff from the past, but pretending it doesn't exist is ridiculous. It will only lead to people pirating the banned media that want it anyway. My son just turned 6 and he looooves comics. Favorites so far include Hilda, Batman and Scooby Doo, Sonic, and My Little Pony. Hard copies and downloaded on Hoopla from the library. He is still just a beginning reader, so I need to read a lot of them still. But he'll sit and just leaf through them looking at the pictures and reading what he can for an hour at a time. But I agree that this particular book is likely an adult market, and also that my kid is probably weird.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 15, 2023 13:33:30 GMT -5
What's so bad about this particular comic that Disney is not going to include it in any collections going forward?
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Post by chrom on Feb 15, 2023 13:43:46 GMT -5
What's so bad about this particular comic that Disney is not going to include it in any collections going forward? Bombie The Zombie is in it.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 15, 2023 13:54:32 GMT -5
Is there a way they could recolor/redraw the artwork to be less offensive, or would that be too expensive?
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Post by Bam Neeley on Feb 15, 2023 13:58:03 GMT -5
What's so bad about this particular comic that Disney is not going to include it in any collections going forward? Middle aged Scrooge goes to Africa and tries to scam a local tribe from their land. They refuse so he gets some thugs to burn the entire village down. This was meant to be the low point of Scrooge's life as his family leaves him because how greedy he's gotten.
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Post by chrom on Feb 15, 2023 14:04:33 GMT -5
What's so bad about this particular comic that Disney is not going to include it in any collections going forward? Middle aged Scrooge goes to Africa and tries to scam a local tribe from their land. They refuse so he gets some thugs to burn the entire village down. This was meant to be the low point of Scrooge's life as his family leaves him because how greedy he's gotten. It's an important chapter as it's the one time Scrooge goes against everything he believed in.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 15, 2023 17:21:20 GMT -5
Do wonder how long has it been since that Life&Times story was in print in TPB or hardcover? It was released last year in an absolutely stunning oversized hardcover edition. I heard the news of the “ban” from Don Rosa yesterday morning and I cringed thinking of how this is going to play out. Some people are going to be upset that this story isn’t going to be scheduled for re-publication again in (at least) the near future. Since it just released a year or two ago, that was probably in the cards anyway. They’re going to go way overboard and blame cancel culture or woke Disney or snowflakes or whatever the buzzword of the moment rage-baiting YouTubers use these days. Then you’re gonna get all of these folks wound up and insisting that Bombie the Zombie is this cherished character that only a fool would find offensive. Go ahead and look up what Bombie the Zombie looks like, btw. It’s not exactly a stretch to see why the Disney Company wouldn’t want their name attached to him. But it’s the same thing that has played out a million times before and it’s going to end the same way. Life and Times is going to go out of print for awhile (as it has multiple times over the last 30 years) before a new edition is announced somewhere down the line and that new edition will have a disclaimer about “outdated insensitive racial stereotypes”. Because that’s how these things always work. That recent release of Life and Times is fantastic, btw. If you’re worried that this story will never be published again in your lifetime, it’s worth the steep cover price.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 17:52:13 GMT -5
Who are these hypothetical kids reading comics? I work at an after school program with about 100 kids. None of them read comics. They certainly watch movies and tv shows featuring comic book characters. They play video games and use coloring books of comic characters, wear shirts of comic characters, etc. No actual comic reading or collecting is done by these kids. Not to mention out of my 5 nephews and 4 nieces only one casually reads comics and he's 20. We need to stop worrying about these hypothetical comic book reading kids that don't exist. No child is going to buy a collection of the origin story of Uncle Scrooge. Its something with an adult market. As for this type of censorship in general, yes, we absolutely need to make sure that current stuff fits with current standards of society. I don't understand censoring the past. We certainly shouldn't "celebrate" problematic stuff from the past, but pretending it doesn't exist is ridiculous. It will only lead to people pirating the banned media that want it anyway. My son just turned 6 and he looooves comics. Favorites so far include Hilda, Batman and Scooby Doo, Sonic, and My Little Pony. Hard copies and downloaded on Hoopla from the library. He is still just a beginning reader, so I need to read a lot of them still. But he'll sit and just leaf through them looking at the pictures and reading what he can for an hour at a time. But I agree that this particular book is likely an adult market, and also that my kid is probably weird. I knew the instant I clicked "create post" that at least one person would say "But I have a kid that reads comics" lol. Obviously there are always exceptions. I'm just saying the exceptions shouldn't determine what gets put on the market.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 15, 2023 23:34:17 GMT -5
Do wonder how long has it been since that Life&Times story was in print in TPB or hardcover? But it’s the same thing that has played out a million times before and it’s going to end the same way. Life and Times is going to go out of print for awhile (as it has multiple times over the last 30 years) before a new edition is announced somewhere down the line and that new edition will have a disclaimer about “outdated insensitive racial stereotypes”. Because that’s how these things always work. Except not all "banned" things have come back. While some people have been brought back in some form or fashion, such as Benoit and Hogan specific to wrestling, you have some forms of entertainment that haven't. Episodes of various TV shows have been removed by various streaming services, with no idea when or even if they may be reinstated. And specific to Disney, Song of the South has NEVER returned in any form or fashion.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 15, 2023 23:44:38 GMT -5
But it’s the same thing that has played out a million times before and it’s going to end the same way. Life and Times is going to go out of print for awhile (as it has multiple times over the last 30 years) before a new edition is announced somewhere down the line and that new edition will have a disclaimer about “outdated insensitive racial stereotypes”. Because that’s how these things always work. Except not all "banned" things have come back. While some people have been brought back in some form or fashion, such as Benoit and Hogan specific to wrestling, you have some forms of entertainment that haven't. Episodes of various TV shows have been removed by various streaming services, with no idea when or even if they may be reinstated. And specific to Disney, Song of the South has NEVER returned in any form or fashion. You don't know what media is lost, because it's lost.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 16, 2023 0:26:17 GMT -5
Except not all "banned" things have come back. While some people have been brought back in some form or fashion, such as Benoit and Hogan specific to wrestling, you have some forms of entertainment that haven't. Episodes of various TV shows have been removed by various streaming services, with no idea when or even if they may be reinstated. And specific to Disney, Song of the South has NEVER returned in any form or fashion. You don't know what media is lost, because it's lost. *trapped in the phantom zone by your logic* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 16, 2023 0:50:29 GMT -5
I mean...this isn't censorship as much as it's just Disney not selling specific comic books anymore. It's not like it's being treated as an illegal substance. It's not actually banned.
That being said, it's whatever. I guess I'm just at a point in which I'm not seeing the net positives of outrage culture. I look at something like Looney Tunes where the Censored Eleven have far more attention on them as opposed to some of their best cartoons, simply because of curiosity. I'm not saying that "leaving something alone" is the right answer, but many times anymore we attract the wrong kind of attention. In this case, did Disney announce this? Seems like they're trying to stir up their own "moral interest".
I'm actually amazed that Disney hasn't started editing Simpsons episodes with Homer's drinking, swearing or even removing sections involving Itchy and Scratchy. Sooner or later, there will probably be a push by someone and we'll see where that goes.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2023 1:10:32 GMT -5
Funny thing is Bombie got updated for DuckTales 2017 minus the problematic appearance. I can understand this sort of thing maybe happening in one of Carl Barks old books but what was Don Rosa’s excuse in 1994?
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 16, 2023 4:32:40 GMT -5
Funny thing is Bombie got updated for DuckTales 2017 minus the problematic appearance. I can understand this sort of thing maybe happening in one of Carl Barks old books but what was Don Rosa’s excuse in 1994? That’s something I can answer. Don Rosa has something of an OCD-like obsession with not contradicting *anything* established in Carl Barks original stories. Especially when it came to LTS, he adhered to what was written by Barks as if they were ancient religious texts. That included the problematic bits. Though, to Rosa’s credit, his stuff did seek to minimize and/or try to contextualize it in a way that steered away from 40s-era racism. So, as a Scrooge fan in general (and a LTS fan in particular) it sucks that acquiring physical copies of this story will be harder to do for fans in the future. But as a semi-reasonable adult, I do get what the problem is with Bombie. It really sucks for Don Rosa, since he won’t benefit financially from future collections. I see the rage-baiters are already hard at work mining this for clicks. And that genuinely upsets me since “Uncle Scrooge” was like the only hobby I have that wasn’t already taken over by those dork-ass losers.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2023 8:45:49 GMT -5
Funny thing is Bombie got updated for DuckTales 2017 minus the problematic appearance. I can understand this sort of thing maybe happening in one of Carl Barks old books but what was Don Rosa’s excuse in 1994? That’s something I can answer. Don Rosa has something of an OCD-like obsession with not contradicting *anything* established in Carl Barks original stories. Especially when it came to LTS, he adhered to what was written by Barks as if they were ancient religious texts. That included the problematic bits. Though, to Rosa’s credit, his stuff did seek to minimize and/or try to contextualize it in a way that steered away from 40s-era racism. So, as a Scrooge fan in general (and a LTS fan in particular) it sucks that acquiring physical copies of this story will be harder to do for fans in the future. But as a semi-reasonable adult, I do get what the problem is with Bombie. It really sucks for Don Rosa, since he won’t benefit financially from future collections. I see the rage-baiters are already hard at work mining this for clicks. And that genuinely upsets me since “Uncle Scrooge” was like the only hobby I have that wasn’t already taken over by those dork-ass losers. I collected a lot of the Ducks books as a kid right before this all originally came out so I didn’t get to read it. I just have a feeling it’s the time frame that killed it from being rereleased with a disclaimer. Just weird it took them 18 years to have a problem with it.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 16, 2023 8:50:23 GMT -5
That’s something I can answer. Don Rosa has something of an OCD-like obsession with not contradicting *anything* established in Carl Barks original stories. Especially when it came to LTS, he adhered to what was written by Barks as if they were ancient religious texts. That included the problematic bits. Though, to Rosa’s credit, his stuff did seek to minimize and/or try to contextualize it in a way that steered away from 40s-era racism. So, as a Scrooge fan in general (and a LTS fan in particular) it sucks that acquiring physical copies of this story will be harder to do for fans in the future. But as a semi-reasonable adult, I do get what the problem is with Bombie. It really sucks for Don Rosa, since he won’t benefit financially from future collections. I see the rage-baiters are already hard at work mining this for clicks. And that genuinely upsets me since “Uncle Scrooge” was like the only hobby I have that wasn’t already taken over by those dork-ass losers. I collected a lot of the Ducks books as a kid right before this all originally came out so I didn’t get to read it. I just have a feeling it’s the time frame that killed it from being rereleased with a disclaimer. Just weird it took them 18 years to have a problem with it. I wonder if perhaps it was all the attention that fairly-recent Fantagraphics deluxe edition (that I can’t stop raving about) received that finally got it on the company’s radar.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2023 8:53:40 GMT -5
I collected a lot of the Ducks books as a kid right before this all originally came out so I didn’t get to read it. I just have a feeling it’s the time frame that killed it from being rereleased with a disclaimer. Just weird it took them 18 years to have a problem with it. I wonder if perhaps it was all the attention that fairly-recent Fantagraphics deluxe edition (that I can’t stop raving about) received that finally got it on the company’s radar. Has to be. Like I said…he was reimagined for DuckTales so it’s not like Disney didn’t know the character existed. They had to get permission to use a lot of those characters.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2023 9:07:54 GMT -5
Banning sounds harsher than what they're doing in just not re-publishing them anymore.
Still lame? Yeah kinda, but if there was a recent re-release with them in it, just get that one
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 16, 2023 9:13:19 GMT -5
People won't like it either, but could they redraw Bombie?
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