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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:03:03 GMT -5
Not naming names, but there are person(s) in this thread complaining about how people always have to be right that are among the most guilty. Can we not do this? Literally I've had to ask twice not to finger point and not naming names doesn't bypass that. I find this not much different than the piling-on being complained about. What does it achieve? I don't know. What does any of this thread achieve? My point in mentioning it is in the hopes that mods are paying attention. The fact that certain people are unaware they are even contributing to the problem is clearly part of the issue. And yes, I see the irony that you think posts just like these are part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:17:10 GMT -5
Can we not do this? Literally I've had to ask twice not to finger point and not naming names doesn't bypass that. I find this not much different than the piling-on being complained about. What does it achieve? I don't know. What does any of this thread achieve? My point in mentioning it is in the hopes that mods are paying attention. The fact that certain people are unaware they are even contributing to the problem is clearly part of the issue. And yes, I see the irony that you think posts just like these are part of the problem. The mods have alluded to repeatedly trying to handle things at a lower level, but have indicated multiple times in this thread that they likely won't do anything more. Which, imo, is kind of a cop out. It's an issue. It's seriously annoying, unfair to the user base, and the "can we not?" and "technically they're not breaking any rules, just ignore them" responses feel like borderline gaslighting. Clearly a huge number of users are on the same page, and have been very civil and patient in politely painting a very simple picture, but if nothing gets done about it that's a simple failing of laissez faire leadership. I definitely don't blame people when they blow up. Pretty understandable when what may as well be savant level trolling is tolerated and given free reign to dominate the board because "well, actually"
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Post by King Boo on Mar 8, 2023 19:31:19 GMT -5
I don't know. What does any of this thread achieve? My point in mentioning it is in the hopes that mods are paying attention. The fact that certain people are unaware they are even contributing to the problem is clearly part of the issue. And yes, I see the irony that you think posts just like these are part of the problem. The mods have alluded to repeatedly trying to handle things at a lower level, but have indicated multiple times in this thread that they likely won't do anything more. Which, imo, is kind of a cop out. It's an issue. It's seriously annoying, unfair to the user base, and the "can we not?" and "technically they're not breaking any rules, just ignore them" responses feel like borderline gaslighting. Clearly a huge number of users are on the same page, and have been very civil and patient in politely painting a very simple picture, but if nothing gets done about it that's a simple failing of laissez faire leadership. I definitely don't blame people when they blow up. Pretty understandable when what may as well be savant level trolling is tolerated and given free reign to dominate the board because "well, actually" Us: explain things from our vantage point clearly and maturely, while expressing that we've been trying to figure stuff out in an objective way This post: yeah, but what I want isn't getting done how I want, when I want, so they're playing favorites and doing nothing. Why, exactly, would I want to keep continuing any kind of discourse, let alone strive to find a way to keep things fun and fair, when stuff like this happens? Oh, I forgot, you're paying us all 100k a year. You want to know what the REAL answer is here? You all need to police yourselves like the adults you are and not get bent out of shape because someone likes or hates something you do or don't. Block someone, use self-restraint, work on keeping a level head over ultimately unimportant shit like I do all the time around here. But you all don't like that answer, and demand action be taken. I look forward to, when the action is ultimately taken, being called unfair tyrants. There, now you've gotten me not writing a thoughtful and objective post about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:48:44 GMT -5
The mods have alluded to repeatedly trying to handle things at a lower level, but have indicated multiple times in this thread that they likely won't do anything more. Which, imo, is kind of a cop out. It's an issue. It's seriously annoying, unfair to the user base, and the "can we not?" and "technically they're not breaking any rules, just ignore them" responses feel like borderline gaslighting. Clearly a huge number of users are on the same page, and have been very civil and patient in politely painting a very simple picture, but if nothing gets done about it that's a simple failing of laissez faire leadership. I definitely don't blame people when they blow up. Pretty understandable when what may as well be savant level trolling is tolerated and given free reign to dominate the board because "well, actually" Us: explain things from our vantage point clearly and maturely, while expressing that we've been trying to figure stuff out in an objective way This post: yeah, but what I want isn't getting done how I want, when I want, so they're playing favorites and doing nothing. Why, exactly, would I want to keep continuing any kind of discourse, let alone strive to find a way to keep things fun and fair, when stuff like this happens? Oh, I forgot, you're paying us all 100k a year. You want to know what the REAL answer is here? You all need to police yourselves like the adults you are and not get bent out of shape because someone likes or hates something you do or don't. Block someone, use self-restraint, work on keeping a level head over ultimately unimportant shit like I do all the time around here. But you all don't like that answer, and demand action be taken. I look forward to, when the action is ultimately taken, being called unfair tyrants. There, now you've gotten me not writing a thoughtful and objective post about it. That's fine, you're really not saying anything new. I basically predicted exactly this in my post. You're three for three in directly giving me far more insulting responses (though I really dont care) when I've never even addressed you directly, by the way. I'm giving genuine, productive insight into the nature of peoples' frustration on here and this reaction is very telling. Things aren't "fun and lighthearted" because of exactly what I pointed out lol. The mod team has alluded to having heavily debated the exact issue I'm talking about, and the simple fact is that you're allowing a person(s) to shitp*st and annoy a lions share of users nonstop to the point that people snap. You've addressed the common denominator in the past but after the initial apology things are never better for more than 1 or 2 weeks. Sorry my honesty is upsetting, but hey I'm not breaking any rules right?
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Post by King Boo on Mar 8, 2023 19:55:28 GMT -5
Us: explain things from our vantage point clearly and maturely, while expressing that we've been trying to figure stuff out in an objective way This post: yeah, but what I want isn't getting done how I want, when I want, so they're playing favorites and doing nothing. Why, exactly, would I want to keep continuing any kind of discourse, let alone strive to find a way to keep things fun and fair, when stuff like this happens? Oh, I forgot, you're paying us all 100k a year. You want to know what the REAL answer is here? You all need to police yourselves like the adults you are and not get bent out of shape because someone likes or hates something you do or don't. Block someone, use self-restraint, work on keeping a level head over ultimately unimportant shit like I do all the time around here. But you all don't like that answer, and demand action be taken. I look forward to, when the action is ultimately taken, being called unfair tyrants. There, now you've gotten me not writing a thoughtful and objective post about it. That's fine, you're really not saying anything new. I basically predicted exactly this in my post. You're three for three in directly giving me far more insulting responses (though I really dont care) when I've never even addressed you directly, by the way. I'm giving genuine, productive insight into the nature of peoples' frustration on here and this reaction is very telling. Things aren't "fun and lighthearted" because of exactly what I pointed out lol. The mod team has alluded to having heavily debated the exact issue I'm talking about, and the simple fact is that you're allowing a person(s) to be shitp*st and annoy a lions share of users nonstop to the point that people snap. You've addressed the common denominator in the past but after the initial apology things are never better for more than 1 or 2 weeks. Sorry my honesty is upsetting, but hey I'm not breaking any rules right? Outside of my last post, I said nothing insulting. I said stuff that maybe you didn't like because it wasn't exactly what you wanted to hear, but I never said a single thing personal or out of line. When you said you didn't mean me - which, btw, that post WAS insulting, whether you want to think so or not - I took it back and moved on from that. It's not better for more than two weeks, in part, because you all engage with it. Sorry that you don't like that aspect to this whole situation, that part of the onus is on "your side" also, but that's the truth and that's what we're juggling. And no, you're not breaking any rules, since you were trying to give me cheek about it and all. I'm consistent and adult. Sorry if that honesty upsets you as well.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 8, 2023 19:58:46 GMT -5
I just wish people didn’t take this stuff so seriously. In both positive and negative ways. Yea sometimes I get really excited when great stuff happens or sad/mad when bad stuff happens. So everything is either the most amazing thing ever or this is the worst thing ever, no real middle ground, or the middle ground gets swallowed up and forgotten. But at the end of the day, it’s just wrestling. Hell, that stuff can be said for anything in the entertainment world. For some reason, this shit is serious business to its fans and thus chaos can ensue. Also this Tribalism is ass
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Post by sabretooth on Mar 8, 2023 20:09:22 GMT -5
My chicken nuggets had freezer burn.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 8, 2023 20:13:26 GMT -5
Can we not do this? Literally I've had to ask twice not to finger point and not naming names doesn't bypass that. I find this not much different than the piling-on being complained about. What does it achieve? I don't know. What does any of this thread achieve? My point in mentioning it is in the hopes that mods are paying attention. The fact that certain people are unaware they are even contributing to the problem is clearly part of the issue. And yes, I see the irony that you think posts just like these are part of the problem. I am not gonna comment on the people part of this but the “what does this thread achieve?” was kind of my point in asking “what now?” earlier on. It feels like we’ve aired all the thoughts we can without it getting too nasty and now it’s on people to self police and try to move on.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 8, 2023 20:15:34 GMT -5
My chicken nuggets had freezer burn. team four star got a new marketing deal?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 20:18:27 GMT -5
There are people on this board that I find annoying as hell, and I've had conversations privately about it just to check myself to make sure I'm not being the jerk in finding them annoying.
"Annoying" is a subjective feeling, though, and there is no way to moderate or police that unless you want King Boo , EoE: Well There's Your Problem , and all the other mods to start treating this place like Survivor where you can get voted off the proverbial island, because that would TOTALLY help the tribalism problem as it relates to silly-ass professional wrestling.
Anyway, this thread ebbs and flows between genuine discussion and heated back and forth and it's more the latter at the moment, so I'm just gonna back off now.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 8, 2023 20:22:47 GMT -5
Us: explain things from our vantage point clearly and maturely, while expressing that we've been trying to figure stuff out in an objective way This post: yeah, but what I want isn't getting done how I want, when I want, so they're playing favorites and doing nothing. Why, exactly, would I want to keep continuing any kind of discourse, let alone strive to find a way to keep things fun and fair, when stuff like this happens? Oh, I forgot, you're paying us all 100k a year. You want to know what the REAL answer is here? You all need to police yourselves like the adults you are and not get bent out of shape because someone likes or hates something you do or don't. Block someone, use self-restraint, work on keeping a level head over ultimately unimportant shit like I do all the time around here. But you all don't like that answer, and demand action be taken. I look forward to, when the action is ultimately taken, being called unfair tyrants. There, now you've gotten me not writing a thoughtful and objective post about it. That's fine, you're really not saying anything new. I basically predicted exactly this in my post. You're three for three in directly giving me far more insulting responses (though I really dont care) when I've never even addressed you directly, by the way. I'm giving genuine, productive insight into the nature of peoples' frustration on here and this reaction is very telling. Things aren't "fun and lighthearted" because of exactly what I pointed out lol. The mod team has alluded to having heavily debated the exact issue I'm talking about, and the simple fact is that you're allowing a person(s) to shitp*st and annoy a lions share of users nonstop to the point that people snap. You've addressed the common denominator in the past but after the initial apology things are never better for more than 1 or 2 weeks. Sorry my honesty is upsetting, but hey I'm not breaking any rules right? I agree with your POV in all of this, but this ain't it man. We're lucky Roxie is even posting in this and that's mainly because someone took the time to reach out to her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 20:25:13 GMT -5
Yes, lets police ourselves.
I'm sure that will go smoothly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 20:30:09 GMT -5
That's fine, you're really not saying anything new. I basically predicted exactly this in my post. You're three for three in directly giving me far more insulting responses (though I really dont care) when I've never even addressed you directly, by the way. I'm giving genuine, productive insight into the nature of peoples' frustration on here and this reaction is very telling. Things aren't "fun and lighthearted" because of exactly what I pointed out lol. The mod team has alluded to having heavily debated the exact issue I'm talking about, and the simple fact is that you're allowing a person(s) to shitp*st and annoy a lions share of users nonstop to the point that people snap. You've addressed the common denominator in the past but after the initial apology things are never better for more than 1 or 2 weeks. Sorry my honesty is upsetting, but hey I'm not breaking any rules right? I agree with your POV in all of this, but this ain't it man. We're lucky Roxie is even posting in this and that's mainly because someone took the time to reach out to her. Respectfully, I disagree. If nothing's going to change I don't need the same exact explanation from the same handful of moderators over and over. We've reached an impasse and I accept that, but if we're going to receive the exact same advice of "police yourselves" when they know damn well that the main offender(s) won't, I feel wholly justified in naming that for laissez faire leadership. I do regret my "cheek" at the end, but the increasingly frustrated responses to my posts got to me.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 8, 2023 21:44:22 GMT -5
If you want me to start banning people that are annoying and can't be ignored that is fine, you just won't see many people here.
You want me to be dead honest, I am more inclined to toss those bitching about how things aren't going how they want and come complaining about the same persons over and over again, acting like spoiled kids. At this point it seems more of you are pissed you're not getting your way and are trying your best to force something to happen rather than learning to live with shit you don't like.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 8, 2023 21:53:53 GMT -5
modding is like walking a tightrope. we over moderate everything we're the fun police and no one is allowed to enjoy themselves and posters are afraid to express themselves in any way in fear of getting instabanned into the sun, we under moderate and the entire board becomes a shit filled dumpster fire.
in the early days of this version of the board, the moderating team were often accused of being "power hungry nazis" (and that is an actual quote that I personally have seen used to describe the mods here at that time.) by people who were banned from here because they couldn't or wouldn't follow the rules, and I know there are people who have been removed from here still claim to have done nothing wrong despite having a list of warnings longer than this post is, and probably more recent banned people have described the current mod team in similar ways. the mod team back then were a hell of a lot stricter on how the boards were run then as the rules were a lot stricter then, you couldn't say the word "shit" without it being filtered for example.
it's not that long since there was a stickied thread at the top of this section of the board asking and then telling everyone who posts in this section to behave like adults and since that was removed it's like all common sense in this section went with it.
we get people reporting posts because they disagree with what is said in the post claiming it to be "flame baiting/flaming" when it isn't, we get people reporting posts they disagree with demanding we do something about it then go on to cause arguments with the poster they reported, we get people reporting posts as "flame baiting/flaming" just because the post is there or the day ended in a Y, people reporting posts as the post dares say something negative about the company as flame baiting and reported posts that are genuine issues that need sorting like the troll the other day who devolved into slinging insults you expect from a 10 year old.
I'll be honest the simplest answer is people accept responsibility for what and how they post, treat each other with respect and not fall into petty and stupid arguments over discussing the stupidity that is professional wrestling and remember that a differing opinion isnt flame bait or someone trying to pick a fight, take a few extra seconds to re-read what you're about to post and think about how it comes across to other posters. not a single mod forces you to post the way some of you have done in this section since a.e.w. started, only the current owner of twitter wants to implant mind control chips into people.
the mods both active and not as active do not want to go heavy handed with warnings/bannings as that isnt healthy for the entire board as the fear of getting warned/banned for minor infractions carries over into the rest of the boards, (for example you pick up two warnings in the aew section then puts you at risk of a ban for a simple slip up in the rest of the board) and reduces the board populace and reputation of the boards elsewhere as people either get banned or leave due to the place being over moderated to a ridiculous level.
it's now 2:53am, i'm off to bed.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 8, 2023 22:21:48 GMT -5
If you want me to start banning people that are annoying and can't be ignored that is fine, you just won't see many people here. You want me to be dead honest, I am more inclined to toss those bitching about how things aren't going how they want and come complaining about the same persons over and over again, acting like spoiled kids. At this point it seems more of you are pissed you're not getting your way and are trying your best to force something to happen rather than learning to live with shit you don't like. After reading some posts, I can see why your angry and just over all this. If you'd like my PM box is open if you'd like to hear "what we want" in a more civil and calm manner. I can't speak for everybody but I don't think "our way" is very extreme and not quite what you might think.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 9, 2023 0:35:27 GMT -5
Eh. I tried.
May as well lock the thread because it's becoming bitching about the other side and the mods (which btw screw that, they do an amazing job).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 9, 2023 1:14:55 GMT -5
Eh. I tried. May as well lock the thread because it's becoming bitching about the other side and the mods (which btw screw that, they do an amazing job). Yeah, this ultimately starting to boil down to "Well the mods simply won't do their jobs the way I want them to" is really not the vibe this thread should have taken. I said it before but I'll reiterate it, I think the mods do a great job here, and if they weren't here or just stopped caring, it'd be a million times worse And honestly, if anyone wants things to get better or positive here, if telling other users to be polite or re-evaluate themselves is something you want to throw out there, getting snide and into arguments with Mods to the point OP is asking for the thread to get locked because it's a lost cause is definitely something you probably don't want to be doing either... but I do thank you for trying Ichi, regardless.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Mar 9, 2023 1:24:13 GMT -5
My chicken nuggets had freezer burn. Because of your avatar, I read that in Daffy's voice.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 9, 2023 1:36:29 GMT -5
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