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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 1:50:24 GMT -5
k. I joined these forums when I was a high school student. I've visited them through two tours in Iraq, and a decade of traveling all across the country for work. I've been a member here twice as long as I've known my husband. In my personal *opinion,* which people are free to discount, this situation is not improving and there's no visible effort to even really work on it. I sincerely apologize if I've given any of the mods any offense, I understand that you do this as volunteers, and I hope that my use of the word *leadership* showed something of how I truly feel. The fact is that I'm not having fun here anymore, I'm likely hindering others from having fun, and I'm probably not the best fit for this forum anymore, so I'll head out. Enjoy the rest of your respective weeks.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 9, 2023 3:13:53 GMT -5
I have to say that I think the mods get the balance right and I appreciate those that have written patient explanations. I couldn't do it, especially after hearing of those spurious reports.
I left another forum I once liked because the mods became so ban happy, basically anything against the zeitgeist could get a ban. I even got a ban for concern trolling only for the thing I was concerned about to happen a couple of days later (wasn't really concern just common sense it would happen).
We really don't want the equivalent here.
Also I remain baffled by the tribalism talk, not saying it never happens but generally having a preference isn't tribalism.
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Mar 9, 2023 4:14:17 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like the concept of this thread. Just opens up the opportunity to say, "well, I don't like X posters' attitude and quietly get likes in support and more importantly does nothing but potentially alienate people further. PMs are a thing. Maybe take a breath, wait a bit and PM and then discuss it privately. This just feels like an opportunity to semi-anonymously dunk on people without naming names. Not what the OP aims to do, but certainly opens up that for posters.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 9, 2023 7:45:31 GMT -5
I’d say not responding to every poster’s every criticism in every thread in a section would be a start.
Hard to police that as a mod of course because it’s not breaking a rule, so I understand why this subject is frustrating for mods.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 9, 2023 9:21:32 GMT -5
Personally, I just think a lot of us non-mods are frustrated in that we often are left unsure if our concerns are being heard or discussed. I’ve received reassurance that they are, but I am just one person. I understand mods having their own procedure and I apologize on behalf of the now-deleted poster as last nights exchange was very disrespectful and rude. However I also understand why many are discouraged. Up until last night, I thought we were handling things in a fair and civil way, but when concerns are seemingly dismissed that leads to people who typically don’t cause problems, to start. As was such last night. Again I want to reiterate that none of my concerns revolve around “AEW vs WWE,” it’s deeper than that. Someone wants to say one company sucks? Of course that’s something you just have to suck up. But, do you think things would have gotten this uncomfortable if it was just about that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 10:35:07 GMT -5
I have to say that I think the mods get the balance right and I appreciate those that have written patient explanations. I couldn't do it, especially after hearing of those spurious reports. I left another forum I once liked because the mods became so ban happy, basically anything against the zeitgeist could get a ban. I even got a ban for concern trolling only for the thing I was concerned about to happen a couple of days later (wasn't really concern just common sense it would happen). We really don't want the equivalent here. Also I remain baffled by the tribalism talk, not saying it never happens but generally having a preference isn't tribalism. I personally don't want anyone banned. Even the people that annoy me in the AEW section can be pretty cool in the other sections. I just want the mods to sort of "step in" a little more. Tell people to settle down with constantly quoting the same person several times to try to hammer their opinion into them. Maybe do suspensions a certain number of times as a warning so that the people who do need to be banned have fair warning. There's a middle ground here, but I feel like we can't reach it if the mods just want to give up because they aren't being paid.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 9, 2023 12:00:59 GMT -5
I have to say that I think the mods get the balance right and I appreciate those that have written patient explanations. I couldn't do it, especially after hearing of those spurious reports. I left another forum I once liked because the mods became so ban happy, basically anything against the zeitgeist could get a ban. I even got a ban for concern trolling only for the thing I was concerned about to happen a couple of days later (wasn't really concern just common sense it would happen). We really don't want the equivalent here. Also I remain baffled by the tribalism talk, not saying it never happens but generally having a preference isn't tribalism. I personally don't want anyone banned. Even the people that annoy me in the AEW section can be pretty cool in the other sections. I just want the mods to sort of "step in" a little more. Tell people to settle down with constantly quoting the same person several times to try to hammer their opinion into them. Maybe do suspensions a certain number of times as a warning so that the people who do need to be banned have fair warning. There's a middle ground here, but I feel like we can't reach it if the mods just want to give up because they aren't being paid. No that is completely fair. I don't want to ban anyone either which is the problem I have and we are constantly debating. It's hard for me to say someone needs to be banned or suspended for annoying some people. I get frustrated (and thus my lashing out post earlier) because it seems like there is a group that would rather try and get some people banned rather than actually try and deal with things. I almost think those people are just as big a problem and stop us from being able to do more. And it's not so much we give up because we're not being paid, it's that this is supposed to be a fun place where we just help things run when needed, not a job. That's what we mean when we talk about not being paid. We've got real lives, jobs, and other pressing issues that we come here to escape, to have fun and discuss things with other people but instead we bombarded by people that or at least in their 20s acting like children and we just end up going with the "act like the adults you're supposed to be" over the heavy handed wrath of God approach.
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 9, 2023 12:11:54 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 9, 2023 12:12:37 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. This helps nobody.
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 9, 2023 12:14:00 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. This helps nobody. What do you want me to say? It's true.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 9, 2023 12:15:18 GMT -5
I personally don't want anyone banned. Even the people that annoy me in the AEW section can be pretty cool in the other sections. I just want the mods to sort of "step in" a little more. Tell people to settle down with constantly quoting the same person several times to try to hammer their opinion into them. Maybe do suspensions a certain number of times as a warning so that the people who do need to be banned have fair warning. There's a middle ground here, but I feel like we can't reach it if the mods just want to give up because they aren't being paid. No that is completely fair. I don't want to ban anyone either which is the problem I have and we are constantly debating. It's hard for me to say someone needs to be banned or suspended for annoying some people. I get frustrated (and thus my lashing out post earlier) because it seems like there is a group that would rather try and get some people banned rather than actually try and deal with things. I almost think those people are just as big a problem and stop us from being able to do more. And it's not so much we give up because we're not being paid, it's that this is supposed to be a fun place where we just help things run when needed, not a job. That's what we mean when we talk about not being paid. We've got real lives, jobs, and other pressing issues that we come here to escape, to have fun and discuss things with other people but instead we bombarded by people that or at least in their 20s acting like children and we just end up going with the "act like the adults you're supposed to be" over the heavy handed wrath of God approach. Hey, I just wanted to say thanks. I've been here for like 15 years (with a stretch where I wasn't posting as much) and I genuinely love this place. I know a lot of it is because it's mostly moderated well. I get the frustrations on both sides and ultimately think y'all are doing the best you can. My last word on this thread - if anyone has been upset by me chiming in or dismissing an opinion, I'm sorry. Be well, gang.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 9, 2023 12:23:44 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. It's odd you enjoyed the WWE board back in the day as there was a time where it was way, way, wayyyyyyy more analytical than this board will ever be. This board is as tame as a wrestling board will get as far as that. And again, saying it for the last time, THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR CALLING OUT.
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 9, 2023 12:27:19 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. It's odd you enjoyed the WWE board back in the day as there was a time where it was way, way, wayyyyyyy more analytical than this board will ever be. This board is as tame as a wrestling board will get as far as that. And again, saying it for the last time, THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR CALLING OUT. I'm not calling anybody specifically out. I'm just making an observation like I thought this thread was for. I don't know anywhere else to say what I said.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 9, 2023 13:05:11 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. This place would be a boring echo chamber if posters didn’t analyze and dissect things they didn’t like, and just changed the channel instead.
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 9, 2023 13:06:13 GMT -5
I'm starting to see that even this forum that I used to come on years ago is becoming way too overly analytical. I used to love coming on here when WWE was truly the only game in town, but I guess you can't get that anywhere on the internet anymore. Some of y'all whine and bitch too much when all you gotta do is change the channel. It's that simple. This place would be a boring echo chamber if posters didn’t analyze and dissect things they didn’t like, and just changed the channel instead. I just think people would do themselves better if they did that instead of hating on everything like a lot of people on the internet do.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 9, 2023 13:17:24 GMT -5
Nobody wants anyone banned, just more aware of what’s respectful and what’s disrespectful to post. In my experience I’ve seen people talked down too and vilified (myself included) for posting an unpopular opinion, but people who get personal and snarky and attack the poster and not the opinion seemingly get to do so freely. Only the opinion in of itself should be critiqued or slammed. Not the poster.
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Post by King Boo on Mar 9, 2023 13:17:26 GMT -5
I stepped away last night to stop things from escalating and have just caught up now. I'm not personally going to elaborate or contribute further, but I just wanted to say thank you to those of you that have been understanding, patient and kind with your posts. It probably sounds corny or lame, but I really do appreciate them. It can be easy to forget that there are people like you guys in the middle of emotional chaos.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 9, 2023 13:34:22 GMT -5
It's odd you enjoyed the WWE board back in the day as there was a time where it was way, way, wayyyyyyy more analytical than this board will ever be. This board is as tame as a wrestling board will get as far as that. And again, saying it for the last time, THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR CALLING OUT. I'm not calling anybody specifically out. I'm just making an observation like I thought this thread was for. I don't know anywhere else to say what I said. I suppose I didn't word the original post as well as I could have. Basically it was intended as a spin-off of a previous, similar thread that just broke-down into people venting frustrations with both other posters and the moderation here. This thread was my way of saying "try again without that shit" in an attempt to restore some peace here, but obviously the allure of drive-by "IT'S THESE PEOPLE" posts is too strong. I dunno, I can't see either side changing at this rate.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Mar 9, 2023 13:34:24 GMT -5
I think that, collectively, we probably need to take about 30 steps back and recognize the fact that we're voluntarily coming onto an anonymous online forum to discuss scripted fisticuffs. This is a niche of a niche of a niche, and it's not that serious.
Obviously, I don't think that a niche discussion board is really a good place to be if you don't want to discuss that niche. While recognizing that because the subject matter of this board is so niche, there are going to be some people around who are really passionate about defending it. Certain people scrutinizing every single post that is critical of AEW (or WWE, as the case may be) is annoying, to be certain, but it's kind of to be expected in an environment like this.
If it gets to a point where people disagreeing with you starts to cause you actual, real-life anguish, then I think that taking a break from the forum is probably the answer. I definitely had that experience on Reddit discussing wrestling, so I came here. At the end of the day, there's like maybe 50 regular posters here, and most all of them seem like pretty chill people. It's crazy to me that this thread is still ongoing because, seriously, things aren't that bad here.
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Post by pinja on Mar 9, 2023 13:38:03 GMT -5
I'm also not a fan of bans. And I'm no fan of the block function. Both on a technical level and a level of meaning. It's a final decision and one I personally wouldn't make because even if I busted heads with someone multiple times, I don't believe it makes for an irredemable relationship or even a bad one to begin with. But then it seems to be impossible to see if someone blocked you, so efforts to communicate are in vain and you don't know it. It plays into what I believe is the biggest problem, which has been stated a few times already: Not giving users the benefit of the doubt. It's very hard to tell sometimes if a reaction is meant as harsh as it seems or if it's the way of the internet and actually no big deal. Of course, if the block function helps someone's mental health, then go for it. But it's essentially to the detriment of another party.
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