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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 18:13:32 GMT -5
Unless you have actual evidence and can back it up, please, for the love of God, stop stating your opinions as inarguable facts. I think that provokes more arguments than anything else. In some cases actual data and numbers have been presented in arguments just for the response "Well that doesn't prove anything" or "Well I don't care my argument's still valid because x isn't y" when the numbers are literally right in front of them... at that point you just have to walk away imo.
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 7, 2023 18:14:25 GMT -5
...er, oh boy, right. I'ma gonna listen to some Hawkwind for a while, get Crewe promoted to the Championship in Footy Manager.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 18:32:00 GMT -5
I just wish we'd all agree that this is all about silly-ass playfighting at the end of the day, and that getting into sniping arguments online about it is just lame.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 18:34:55 GMT -5
I just wish we'd all agree that this is all about silly-ass playfighting at the end of the day, and that getting into sniping arguments online about it is just lame. I agree I honestly thought there was some unneeded sniping at the end of RAW last night, but it was quickly circumvented by the FAMILY SHIT meme Like that's in the end what it's all about. I love FAN for the sillyness, I love it for the memes, discussions are whatever, I enjoy debates, but FAN kept me here because of how fun it is I will take a thousand threads of MS Paint or Madlibs watching shows over one debate thread about if something's working or not.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2023 18:35:56 GMT -5
I don't post much here, but if I may... I don't think this is just an AEW section concern. Although this place is mostly civil, tribalism exists here. Yes we aren't anywhere near the levels of douchery found on places like twitter and reddit, but it exist here. It's just the nature of wrestling fandom. That being said, my two cents is simple. If you are on one side, please post in a way that you would like to see others from the other side post. Like in other words, if you don't like something one company does, don't get mad at a post from someone critiquing something from the company that you like, that is similar in tone to what you posted. To me it's all about limiting hypocrisy and presenting opinions as facts. In fact, just using the term "IMO" more often than not goes a long way in keeping things more civil. Also, as long as the posts are respectful, don't vilify anyone for not agreeing with you. It just makes people feel unwelcomed and causes the whole issue of declaring double standards to happen. IMO, this Bears repeating. I'm very upset on how this sentiment seemingly is getting ignored.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2023 19:01:53 GMT -5
What the hell did I miss?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 19:06:41 GMT -5
What the hell did I miss? The MJF Water thread took several harsh turns, and it resulted in many deleted posts and Negan leaving the board.
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Post by Billie Gein on Mar 7, 2023 21:11:41 GMT -5
I think, in my experience of various online communities, the sense of community is tough to maintain when users get in the habit of assuming the worst about other users. That can show up in so many different ways like accusations and implications that others are posting in bad-faith/playing a gimmick, calling people's opinions 'hot takes', suggesting you can judge that person's entire personality offline based on a few posts on a message board, calling people fanboys/diehards because they're enthusiastic about something, etc. I know that wider cultural trends have made this more common and I have been guilty of it myself too so I'm not trying to act 'above it all' here.
Basically what I'm saying is that IMO we'd all benefit as a community from trying to give each other the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that people are posting with sincerity even when their opinion is completely the opposite to yours. It's fine to disagree with people but we don't need to make negative implications about the person behind the username. Assume sincerity and take people at their word, if someone's genuinely trolling then you can just leave it up to the mod team to figure that out. I think less people will be inclined to leave the board when a thread goes badly if they don't come away from the thread thinking 'great, now everyone thinks i'm a gimmick/troll/IRL-asshole'.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 7, 2023 21:23:19 GMT -5
Since it happened to me recently. Telling others not to engage with posters because you assume their post is trolling.
It could be trolling or it could be a hot take and they are just venting frustration.
We can also do better about dogpiling. Unless someone posted something way out of line (eg; Racism) there is no reason for a collective "Ha ha you're wrong".
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 7, 2023 22:13:16 GMT -5
It's just a shame that a company that is the alternative to WWE, and has a variety of things that wrestling fans can like just brings the worst out in the internet. None of this needs to happen.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 7, 2023 22:19:13 GMT -5
It's just a shame that a company that is the alternative to WWE, and has a variety of things that wrestling fans can like just brings the worst out in the internet. None of this needs to happen. You really need to accept that not everyone will like what you like. Nobody is saying don’t express your opinion, but people have the right to express theirs.
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 7, 2023 22:20:10 GMT -5
It's just a shame that a company that is the alternative to WWE, and has a variety of things that wrestling fans can like just brings the worst out in the internet. None of this needs to happen. You really need to accept that not everyone will like what you like. Nobody is saying don’t express your opinion, but people have the right to express theirs. I was making an observation that fit in with the theme of this thread. Chill.
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Post by deezy on Mar 7, 2023 22:24:54 GMT -5
I don't post much here, but if I may... I don't think this is just an AEW section concern. Although this place is mostly civil, tribalism exists here. Yes we aren't anywhere near the levels of douchery found on places like twitter and reddit, but it exist here. It's just the nature of wrestling fandom. That being said, my two cents is simple. If you are on one side, please post in a way that you would like to see others from the other side post. Like in other words, if you don't like something one company does, don't get mad at a post from someone critiquing something from the company that you like, that is similar in tone to what you posted. To me it's all about limiting hypocrisy and presenting opinions as facts. In fact, just using the term "IMO" more often than not goes a long way in keeping things more civil. Also, as long as the posts are respectful, don't vilify anyone for not agreeing with you. It just makes people feel unwelcomed and causes the whole issue of declaring double standards to happen. IMO, this Bears repeating. I'm very upset on how this sentiment seemingly is getting ignored. I use "IMO" alot in my post. Just to clarify that I'm not stating my opinion as fact and that Noone comes with "well your opinion is wrong and mine is right because alot of people agree with it".
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 7, 2023 22:27:14 GMT -5
IMO, this Bears repeating. I'm very upset on how this sentiment seemingly is getting ignored. I use "IMO" alot in my post. Just to clarify that I'm not stating my opinion as fact and that Noone comes with "well your opinion is wrong and mine is right because alot of people agree with it". Yeah, that’s helpful. Disarms negative dialogue.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 22:31:52 GMT -5
IMO, this Bears repeating. I'm very upset on how this sentiment seemingly is getting ignored. I use "IMO" alot in my post. Just to clarify that I'm not stating my opinion as fact and that Noone comes with "well your opinion is wrong and mine is right because alot of people agree with it". I also try to put things into a perspective that "This is how I saw it" and it's fine if people see it differently, imo makes a big difference because sometimes peeps just read it the wrong way I feel no matter how much you might disagree with a take, you have to specify that you just don't see it that way or see it differently, but it doesn't mean the other person is wrong for feeling that way, unless it's very extreme circumstances I have gotten heated in the past and forgotten that, sometimes it's the other way around, I think as others said, in the end discussion should only extend to a certain point, which is the booking/storylines/characters at hand and how they're doing it, right or wrong and in between. I think when things veer off that course is when the skids get hit.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 7, 2023 22:33:57 GMT -5
It's just a shame that a company that is the alternative to WWE, and has a variety of things that wrestling fans can like just brings the worst out in the internet. None of this needs to happen. I honestly think it's more whoever the next company is does that. Back when TNA started on Spike it used to bring out the absolute worst in people (even worst than AEW). I think there are those who are more protective of AEW because for a lot of us it's seeing wrestlers we watched for years that we never thought would get their metaphorical flowers get just that, but I don't see that much mean spiritdness on either side of the argument. There are some but you'll get that. I think it also stands out a lot because for so long time, and even somewhat now, there's a lot of apathy towards WWE... or maybe not apathy but not as much interest throughout the card? But as I said a while ago in this thread. The big issue to me is that some make a point, and when someone disagrees with them, they immediately attack and then someone else piles on. End of the day, if ya cannot or do not want to get into a debate with someone, just don't respond not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 22:35:39 GMT -5
What the hell did I miss? Someone made a parting shot at Negan for making a lot of posts in a short duration (kinda understandable when you've got it coming in from all sides), and I named them a hypocrite. Someone then called me toxic and said we bully the user I responded to, to which I respectfully disagreed. In fact a sizable number of the complaints in this thread are about that user, and are also very respectfully stated without referring to them by name. fw91 made a good post in the thread about how people need to stop dunking and ragging on others when given the opportunity, because they hate when they get 1% of that heat turned back at them. Unfortunately the person that was addressed to doesn't have the self-awareness to let that point register, and not everybody is quite as lucky to have Mods who will swoop in to intervene on just about any criticism against them. Negan sure wasn't. A mod liked a user's post about how people should simply block Negan. Ironically the same user who called me a bully. Oh well. Bye-bye bat man, guess people don't have to block you anymore lmao! Sorry if I didn't pussyfoot around some of the root issues quite enough mods, I'll accept my ban.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 22:38:27 GMT -5
Since it happened to me recently. Telling others not to engage with posters because you assume their post is trolling. It could be trolling or it could be a hot take and they are just venting frustration. We can also do better about dogpiling. Unless someone posted something way out of line (eg; Racism) there is no reason for a collective "Ha ha you're wrong". I was one of the people involved in that and I apologize The only thing I'd say on that is I think just being negative or outwardly projecting the negatives can put an unfair stigma on people, because if that's all you're talking about it brings the air around a user that nothing will ever satisfy them or they're only there when something bad happens, and that's not fair when it becomes a stigma for innocent users who are just pissed off at something or other I agree about the dogpiling, I wasn't even here when the two big purges in the water thread even happened, but I heard secondhand, it didn't sound pretty, and I think after a point even if a user is being unreasonable that it's just gotta be dropped, end result if it keeps going in experience is either the Mods lock the thread, or the person leaves, which doesn't really solve the issues long term
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Post by tuckerguy on Mar 7, 2023 22:40:28 GMT -5
It's just a shame that a company that is the alternative to WWE, and has a variety of things that wrestling fans can like just brings the worst out in the internet. None of this needs to happen. I honestly think it's more whoever the next company is does that. Back when TNA started on Spike it used to bring out the absolute worst in people (even worst than AEW). I think there are those who are more protective of AEW because for a lot of us it's seeing wrestlers we watched for years that we never thought would get their metaphorical flowers get just that, but I don't see that much mean spiritdness on either side of the argument. There are some but you'll get that. I think it also stands out a lot because for so long time, and even somewhat now, there's a lot of apathy towards WWE... or maybe not apathy but not as much interest throughout the card? But as I said a while ago in this thread. The big issue to me is that some make a point, and when someone disagrees with them, they immediately attack and then someone else piles on. End of the day, if ya cannot or do not want to get into a debate with someone, just don't respond not a big deal. I respectfully disagree with you on the TNA thing, because it seemed to me that when TNA was in its heyday people either didn't care about it or were making jokes wondering how it was still in business (which might not be a good thing depending on how you look at it). It just seems with AEW people say the most outlandish shit or just make shit up which lets you know that they don't watch. I just wish the people who always bitch and complain would stop watching or shut the hell up. It just pisses me off, and I need to get off of the wrestling corner of the internet for my mental health, because in the long run none of this matters. I'll stop. I know y'all are tired of me lmao.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2023 22:42:47 GMT -5
What the hell did I miss? Someone made a parting shot at Negan for making a lot of posts in a short duration (kinda understandable when you've got it coming in from all sides), and I named them a hypocrite. Someone then called me toxic and said we bully the user I responded to, to which I respectfully disagreed. In fact a sizable number of the complaints in this thread are about that user, and are also very respectfully stated without referring to them by name. fw91 made a good post in the thread about how people need to stop dunking and ragging on others when given the opportunity, because they hate when they get 1% of that heat turned back at them. Unfortunately the person that was addressed to doesn't have the self-awareness to let that point register, and not everybody is quite as lucky to have Mods who will swoop in to intervene on just about any criticism against them. Negan sure wasn't. A mod liked a user's post about how people should simply block Negan. Ironically the same user who called me a bully. Oh well. Bye-bye bat man, guess people don't have to block you anymore lmao! Sorry if I didn't pussyfoot around some of the root issues quite enough mods, I'll accept my ban. Negan was far from an innocent party in all of this tbh, he had several instances where he himself couldn't let stuff go because he had to be correct and his takes had to be the winning ones, had to be facts everyone accepted, he was the reason we had that entire "I look like Ricky Starks and I've only hit the gym for three months" meme, he was dead serious about it. I absolutely do understand going too far on a user though even if they are causing trouble like that, after a point it helps no one, and well it was beyond the point I think there was going to be calm ending to it all. I can tell you first hand blocking on this forum just isn't as effective as you would wish it'd be. All you need to do is click to show the post and inevitably, the user isn't really "blocked" when you're doing that, especially when you apparently can still get notifications if they quote you or tag you, so... yeah, that's not on the Mods or anything though, that's the only option Proboards gives.
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