I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 28, 2023 12:20:36 GMT -5
reminds me of Matt Striker's shoot interview from a few years ago. Miz I believe was bullied by Benoit. Striker confirmed Benoit bullied him too (and I believe he said JBL and a couple others did as well) and people would follow suit because guys like Benoit were respected. But he said one day Regal made it a point to say in the locker room in front of anybody he had no issue with Matt Striker and you could see different wrestlers not know how to react since Regal was just as respected if not more.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
To me there’s a difference between earning respect and being bullied and getting upset when one eats chicken in the locker room.
Benoit's a dude that went above and beyond, though.
Wasn't there a story about him making Daivari do squats until he passed muscle fiber through his urethra?
Davairi says that story wasn't true and he willingly did it FWIW, but Benoit did do some weird stuff. He and JBL ran Palmer Cannon out of the WWE on a European tour and according to Nova they said some really messed up stuff to him after his brother died. They also tried to break into Justin Roberts's hotel on a tour because of some kind of disrespect.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
To me there’s a difference between earning respect and being bullied and getting upset when one eats chicken in the locker room.
WWE lost an entire era of talent during that time, and much of that was because of a cancerous lockerroom.
Kennedy Masters Carlito Umaga Bashams MVP Muhammad Hassan Palmer
Eh,
Kennedy not very good Masters is a viable choice Carlito had his own issues Umaga was up to some f***ed up stuff Bashams 🤷🏻♂️ Hassan outside factors Palmer don’t remember this dude at all really
Not to entirely discredit your point but those examples aren’t great either.
reminds me of Matt Striker's shoot interview from a few years ago. Miz I believe was bullied by Benoit. Striker confirmed Benoit bullied him too (and I believe he said JBL and a couple others did as well) and people would follow suit because guys like Benoit were respected. But he said one day Regal made it a point to say in the locker room in front of anybody he had no issue with Matt Striker and you could see different wrestlers not know how to react since Regal was just as respected if not more.
Once, Ezekiel Jackson tried to big time Daniel Bryan in front of Regal and take his plane seat.
He never tried that shit again.
BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq. Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
Wrestling locker rooms in the late-90s and early-2000s sound like the absolute worst place to be. You already have a bunch of muscled-up narcissistic egomaniacs who are all paranoid and have massive trust issues because they think everyone's coming for "their spot." Add in a megalomaniacal boss who actively encourages confrontation for his own pleasure. Mix in a cocktail of steroids, alcohol, and recreational drugs, and that's how you get what was basically a decade-long Stanford Prison Experiment.
I know that we had a thread about this, but there are several comments in this video that defended these bullying actions saying it’s not bullying. It’s about earning respect and how the business has gone soft.
Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 28, 2023 13:57:29 GMT -5
Don't really understand how that video paints Taker in a positive light. The fact that he is the one to decide who gets to change in the locker room is problematic on it's own. He also didn't stop the bullying when it was going on. Miz had to change in public restrooms for seven months, then had to ask The Undertaker if he could be let back into the locker room. How is that anti-bullying?
What always morbidly fascinated me, is even though you hear some bad stories from the Attitude Era lockerroom, the really bad hazing and bullying stories always seem to be from the mid 2000s. Like it got way worse.
I wonder if some of that was the inclusion of the weirdo "respect the business" types like Benoit, plus JBL probably becoming way more influential.
Notice you never hear stories about the real stars the fans came to see like Rock, Austin, or Hogan being bullies?(not counting politics I mean actual hazing.)
What always morbidly fascinated me, is even though you hear some bad stories from the Attitude Era lockerroom, the really bad hazing and bullying stories always seem to be from the mid 2000s. Like it got way worse.
I wonder if some of that was the inclusion of the weirdo "respect the business" types like Benoit, plus JBL probably becoming way more influential.
Notice you never hear stories about the real stars the fans came to see like Rock, Austin, or Hogan being bullies?(not counting politics I mean actual hazing.)
Seems like the hazing atmosphere was from 1998 to about 2009 once Benoit, JBL, and Holly were all gone. Seems a lot of that crap started to die off around that time with the locker room becoming more laid back. Mid 2000's defintely was the peak of it though specifically on Smackdown as that's where all those guys always were along with Undertaker.
In a way I wonder if Bret leaving and Undertaker becoming the respected senior member of the roster had something to do with the change of locker room culture as that's around the time it seemed to start to get really bad with guys like JBL starting to run rampant and make life miserable for a lot of people. While Bret doesn't strike me as someone who would condone that type of behavior at the same time he doesn't strike me as someone who would step in if someone was getting out of control. However other then I guess the Steiners when they were around you don't really hear much hazing stories from say 1993 to 1997. I mean you had the Kliq but they more arrogant and underhanded not bullies who would kick guys out of the locker room.
WWE lost an entire era of talent during that time, and much of that was because of a cancerous lockerroom.
Kennedy Masters Carlito Umaga Bashams MVP Muhammad Hassan Palmer
Umaga was let go because he refused to go to rehab. He passed away six months later.
Muhammad Hassan was not allowed to be on TV because UPN (which broadcasted Smackdown at the time) demanded he not be on after the London bombings.
Hassan was bullied really bad. Kurt Angle told him (not being a bad guy but trying to help him) to ask Eddie not to use the Camel Clutch since it was his finisher. Hassan did that and Eddie got pissed because his dad invented the move (I guess not sure), he had bad heat and asked Hurricane how to get in good graces, and he told Hassan to buy the "locker room leaders" shots at the bar on a European tour. When those guys got the shots they all looked at Hassan and poured the shots on the floor. Though they stopped bullying Hassan once Taker and Batista started working with him.
Aside from Palmer though I dunno if any of those others had bullying issues. Kennedy was hated by the wrong people, Carlito wanted out. Masters had his own wellness issues. MVP got heat for how he treated a drug tester at a random drug test then he asked to be released when he realized he wasn't getting a push. Dunno about the Bashams.
But the locker room was bad in fairness. A lot of guys talk about how developmental guys who got called up in the mid 2000s from OVW and Deep South quickly left the business because they had such bad experiences with the WWE locker room... ironically or not most of the issues came from the Smackdown locker room which at the time had JBL, Benoit, and Holly in it.
Undertaker had his own very problematic past with bullying talent and being a jerk at times.
He absolutely isn't innocent but most seem to indicate aside from being the judge of wrestlers court and enforcing certain codes he wasn't really involved with bullying.
WWE lost an entire era of talent during that time, and much of that was because of a cancerous lockerroom.
Kennedy Masters Carlito Umaga Bashams MVP Muhammad Hassan Palmer
Eh,
Kennedy not very good Masters is a viable choice Carlito had his own issues Umaga was up to some f***ed up stuff Bashams 🤷🏻♂️ Hassan outside factors Palmer don’t remember this dude at all really
Not to entirely discredit your point but those examples aren’t great either.
Didn't Umaga also try to sexually assault someone? He was not a good person.
Kennedy was sloppy as hell and he never really did anything beyond having a catchphrase. His run in TNA/Impact was f***ing atrocious on top of that. He had so many face and heel turns in a short time period, it made Big Show's alignment look stable by comparison.
Palmer was a "network representative" or some shit who basically tried to control how Smackdown ran for a brief period. I don't think he was ever considered a hot talent. Doesn't justify what happened to him, but I don't think he ever had a high ceiling.
Hassan was less locker room and more godawful booking. Having a man of 100% Italian descent play an Arab American who leaned into the absolute worst racist and Islamophobic tropes at that time was... a choice. Though he's apparently a principal at a junior high school now, so at least his life took a nice upswing after wrestling.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 28, 2023 16:13:06 GMT -5
So it appeared Chavo said this and deleted it but presided to go back and forth with someone on his twitter who related to deleted tweet making fun of all things how many followers he has and ext.
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Umaga was let go because he refused to go to rehab. He passed away six months later.
Muhammad Hassan was not allowed to be on TV because UPN (which broadcasted Smackdown at the time) demanded he not be on after the London bombings.
Hassan was bullied really bad. Kurt Angle told him (not being a bad guy but trying to help him) to ask Eddie not to use the Camel Clutch since it was his finisher. Hassan did that and Eddie got pissed because his dad invented the move (I guess not sure), he had bad heat and asked Hurricane how to get in good graces, and he told Hassan to buy the "locker room leaders" shots at the bar on a European tour. When those guys got the shots they all looked at Hassan and poured the shots on the floor. Though they stopped bullying Hassan once Taker and Batista started working with him.
Aside from Palmer though I dunno if any of those others had bullying issues. Kennedy was hated by the wrong people, Carlito wanted out. Masters had his own wellness issues. MVP got heat for how he treated a drug tester at a random drug test then he asked to be released when he realized he wasn't getting a push. Dunno about the Bashams.
But the locker room was bad in fairness. A lot of guys talk about how developmental guys who got called up in the mid 2000s from OVW and Deep South quickly left the business because they had such bad experiences with the WWE locker room... ironically or not most of the issues came from the Smackdown locker room which at the time had JBL, Benoit, and Holly in it.
Undertaker had his own very problematic past with bullying talent and being a jerk at times.
He absolutely isn't innocent but most seem to indicate aside from being the judge of wrestlers court and enforcing certain codes he wasn't really involved with bullying.
Don't give Taker a pass, if he wanted the bullying to stop, as the defacto head of the lockerroom and someone who could talk to Vince and be listened, he could have stopped it any time he wanted. He enjoyed it, he enjoyed siccing his stooges on people, getting to play judge Judy and getting people on a fraction of his wage to pay for his drinks, ones he'd just tip it on the floor of the bar with zero regard for the staff there to make some dumbass point only Taker himself understood.
It's telling how much better the lockerroom became once Taker was removed from it and all his stupid rituals were abolished.