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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 8, 2023 6:04:42 GMT -5
why the hell not? here are my overall rankings. N/A- 36. Not having a crowd really had an effect from me. 1)19 2)17 3)20 4)10 5)30 6)31 7)3 8)14 9)24 10)21 11)35 12)26 13)38 14)22 15)23 16)7 17)28 18)37 19)29 20)8 21)12 22)5 23)18 24)25 25)5 26)34 27)33 28)15 29)4 30)9 31)2000 32)1 33)2 34)13 35)27 36)32 37)11 19 being your #1 warms my heart. I love 17 as much as the next gal but I prefer 19 top to bottom
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Post by Starshine on Mar 8, 2023 6:07:40 GMT -5
Don't know if it's the worst, but it's probably the most uneventful. The only things that really matter on the show were basically set up for 28.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 6:13:42 GMT -5
At least 27 has Taker / Triple H and Cody / Rey going for it, to an extent Orton / Punk. 32 doesn't have a single damn thing redeemable about it except maybe the ladder match and they basically rendered that non-canon the next night anyway.
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Post by 67 more on Mar 8, 2023 7:51:25 GMT -5
34 is my personal vote for worst. Terrible, terrible show.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 8, 2023 8:57:53 GMT -5
34 is my personal vote for worst. Terrible, terrible show. Can never put 34 as a terrible show, the triple threat was fantastic and it has one of my favorite Mania matches ever in the mixed tag match.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 8, 2023 9:03:39 GMT -5
34 is my personal vote for worst. Terrible, terrible show. Can never put 34 as a terrible show, the triple threat was fantastic and it has one of my favorite Mania matches ever in the mixed tag match. Styles/Nakamura falling flat, and the shit main event really ruins it. Even having Reigns beat Lesnar just to “get it over with,” really would have made the show more favorable. Very anticlimactic end after a hof start.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 8, 2023 9:07:15 GMT -5
for worst in the modern era I usually lean towards 32 but this thread got me thinking WM25 gets s***, but honestly? If you look past the awful battle royal, the non-Ricky Steamboat part of Jericho's match and the disappointing main event, it's really not *that* bad of a show. WM27 is truly worse than I remember it being. Taker/HHH slapped and Cody/Rey is good but WOW the rest of the card is lame. Edge/Del Rio I remember being decent but that doesn't save it from the hell that is Cole/Lawler and there's two totally nothing multi-person tag matches. I do remember Cena/Miz never really getting out of first gear either. WM29 is another one I think is okay but looking back at it I see why it gets flack. I love the Punk/Taker match, and I think Cena/Rock, HHH/Lesnar and the Shield match are all pretty good. I do think Jericho/Fandango is decent but it and the rest of the card are nothing special. WM32 is buttcheeks. The ladder match and the women's triple threat are both good. Jericho/AJ and Brock/Ambrose were both super disappointing. Taker/Shane and Roman/HHH both went on. For. Ever. and everything else is just nothing. Also, Usos vs. Dudleys got put on the pre-show for some reason? Those are the 4 that usually get the most flack. I'd say 25 is probably the best out of the four and maybe even a little underrated I was there live so maybe I'm a little biased but 29 was fine. The Ryback/Henry match and the Del Rio/Swagger matches were anticlimactic, but everything else was good to great. Rock/Cena 2 was one of the first times we saw the whole finisher spamming fest type of match, so I thought it at least unique in that sense. There are other Mania's mentioned here that have way less going for them. I'm not saying it's in the top 10 or even top 15, but it's not that bad.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 8, 2023 14:52:20 GMT -5
Might change my vote to 29 since it convinced people Punk/‘Taker was a classic. It’s a 3 star match on a 2 star card. I see you that, and I raise you that Triple H vs Taker from 27 is a great 10 minute match that suffers from being an absolutely plodding 30 minute match. The cons of that one faaaaar outweigh the pros.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 8, 2023 14:57:54 GMT -5
At least 27 has Taker / Triple H and Cody / Rey going for it, to an extent Orton / Punk. 32 doesn't have a single damn thing redeemable about it except maybe the ladder match and they basically rendered that non-canon the next night anyway.Not to single you out on this, because it's a valid criticism for sure, but I think this raising a good point to the discussion that there's two different ways to look at evaluating a Wrestlemania. Was it a great show in a vacuum vs Was it a great show in terms of being the crescendo of the wrestling year. The vast, vast majority of the time, these two coincide. However, there are some outliers that benefit tremendously from this like Wrestlemania 19 which has a terrible build and terrible follow-though, but as a show watched by itself has seen a tremendous re-evaluation and improvement in its legacy to the point where some call it a top 5 or even their favorite Wrestlemania of all time. So, I agree that 32 is a bad Wrestlemania with a handful of really, truly great moments. Zack Ryder winning the ladder match was such a wonderful surprise and a genuine feel good moment for the people in attendance and the viewers at home. Yeah, the next night was dumb, but if we're evaluating each Wrestlemania on a show-by-show basis, is it really fair to discount a great moment/match from the show solely because of something that happened on a different show a day later?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 15:00:55 GMT -5
Might change my vote to 29 since it convinced people Punk/‘Taker was a classic. It’s a 3 star match on a 2 star card. Yeah, like, it is a perfectly fine match on a show otherwise bereft of them, and it's the one watchable match Punk and Taker ever had together, so that makes it feel a lot better than it actually is.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 8, 2023 15:02:36 GMT -5
Might change my vote to 29 since it convinced people Punk/‘Taker was a classic. It’s a 3 star match on a 2 star card. I see you that, and I raise you that Triple H vs Taker from 27 is a great 10 minute match that suffers from being an absolutely plodding 30 minute match. The cons of that one faaaaar outweigh the pros. This does make me wonder what the general rating is between the three Taker/HHH Mania matches now, especially since in the build to the 27 match they ignored the 17 match.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 15:06:25 GMT -5
I see you that, and I raise you that Triple H vs Taker from 27 is a great 10 minute match that suffers from being an absolutely plodding 30 minute match. The cons of that one faaaaar outweigh the pros. This does make me wonder what the general rating is between the three Taker/HHH Mania matches now, especially since in the build to the 27 match they ignored the 17 match. I'd probably need to watch them again to see, since while I've seen them all multiple times it's been awhile, but I could see 27 and 28 having aged poorly given how anticlimactic the eventual end of the streak was. Not as much drama in Undertaker weathering everything possible when you know how lame the eventual ending actually was. That said I do find it fascinating how all of the Triple H / Taker Mania matches are largely well-regarded but every other match the two ever had together is absolutely awful.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 8, 2023 15:25:40 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought both Taker/HHH rematches sucked? I mean, if you are a fan, more power to ya but those were slogs.
Also f*** whoever put together Cole/Lawler.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 8, 2023 15:28:57 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought both Taker/HHH rematches sucked? I mean, if you are a fan, more power to ya but those were slogs. Also f*** whoever put together Cole/Lawler. Guessing you mean 27 and 28 and not 17 (though who knows, you may not like that one too). As for Cole/Lawler, that should have ended one of two ways: 1)Lawler piledriver win. Or...
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 8, 2023 15:41:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought both Taker/HHH rematches sucked? I mean, if you are a fan, more power to ya but those were slogs. Also f*** whoever put together Cole/Lawler. Guessing you mean 27 and 28 and not 17 (though who knows, you may not like that one too). As for Cole/Lawler, that should have ended one of two ways: 1)Lawler piledriver win. Or... I actually love their match at 17, but yeah Lawler vs. Cole should've gone no longer than 2 minutes. Kick, Piledriver, Lawler wins.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Mar 8, 2023 16:55:47 GMT -5
There was THAT much time dedicated to Cole vs. Lawler? 😂 I can't believe until I see it again...
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Post by tirtefaa on Mar 8, 2023 17:04:24 GMT -5
why the hell not? here are my overall rankings. N/A- 36. Not having a crowd really had an effect from me. 1)19 2)17 3)20 4)10 5)30 6)31 7)3 8)14 9)24 10)21 11)35 12)26 13)38 14)22 15)23 16)7 17)28 18)37 19)29 20)8 21)12 22)5 23)18 24)25 25)5 26)34 27)33 28)15 29)4 30)9 31)2000 32)1 33)2 34)13 35)27 36)32 37)11 5 is so good, it's on there twice. 😅
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 8, 2023 17:05:56 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought both Taker/HHH rematches sucked? I mean, if you are a fan, more power to ya but those were slogs. Also f*** whoever put together Cole/Lawler. 27 is boring but I kind of love 28 for the self-indulgence of Taker, HHH and Shawn.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 8, 2023 17:05:59 GMT -5
why the hell not? here are my overall rankings. N/A- 36. Not having a crowd really had an effect from me. 1)19 2)17 3)20 4)10 5)30 6)31 7)3 8)14 9)24 10)21 11)35 12)26 13)38 14)22 15)23 16)7 17)28 18)37 19)29 20)8 21)12 22)5 23)18 24)25 25)5 26)34 27)33 28)15 29)4 30)9 31)2000 32)1 33)2 34)13 35)27 36)32 37)11 5 is so good, it's on there twice. 😅 Shit knew something was off. Number 22 should be 6
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Post by fw91 on Mar 8, 2023 17:09:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought both Taker/HHH rematches sucked? I mean, if you are a fan, more power to ya but those were slogs. Also f*** whoever put together Cole/Lawler. 27 is boring but I kind of love 28 for the self-indulgence of Taker, HHH and Shawn. I find 27 to be overrated, but 28 is top notch stuff imo
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