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Post by wildojinx on Apr 4, 2023 8:03:27 GMT -5
At this point, I wonder if Vince even wants new guys coming in. Maybe he's happy with the sparse roster he's got and doesnt want new talent. The last new guy who came in and was booked strong was AJ, and that was half a decade ago. Heck, even in NXT, under normal circumstances, guys like Bron, Carmello, Grimes, Chase, Schism, even Von Wagner would have been called up a long time ago, but they're still in NXT even now.
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Post by poodoojenkins on Apr 4, 2023 8:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 4, 2023 8:11:21 GMT -5
I think it's always a mistake to assume you know how a wrestler feels about their booking or their position on the card. They are experiencing all of this in a completely different way to what we are. But I'd guess that 99.999% of wrestlers wouldn't be dismissive of winning the Royal Rumble, headling WrestleMania, being one of the faces of WWE and all the money that comes along with doing so. I will grant that none of us can know for sure, but based on his history and what we do have it does seem like Cody is someone who would take it personally. He's someone who very obviously takes a lot of pride in his work, who's talked before about how previous slights made him consider quitting long before he did (hell, the Big Show feud got him to that point and that was nowhere remotely close to as egregious in making him look bad as this was since it actually fit into the story, plus that happened at a point in time when it mostly likely would have been the end of him being a big name for the rest of his career if he had because the conditions were not at all there for the breakout he eventually managed), and who seems to mostly pin leaving AEW on creative differences, plus he looked visibly distraught on the preshow during the segment with him and Brandi. Plus he takes his relationship with his dad so seriously he got the dude's nickname tattooed on his chest and just had a story where he was told, "Your dad thought you were a failure and loved Roman Reigns more," and ultimately came up short and had to talk up how awesome the guy who just beat him is in a way that effectively validated the claim, which I'm sure probably served to quite irritate him just for how wildly disrespectful that is to his and Dusty's relationship. And to boot they had the whole thing happen in front of, and incorporate, a kid he's super close with in light of the kid's dad's death, so that's just kind of extra kick in the balls to real life issues Cody's dealt with entirely to put over someone else who very f***ing much does not need any of that. You can't know for sure, and maybe none of it's a tipping point, but just based on his history it does at least feel pretty likely that he's at the very least bothered by it on some level, especially with the surrounding uncertainty of Vince being back on top of it. Cody Rhodes lit himself on fire for real to get the audience to cheer him. We might not usually know what people are thinking but I don't think anyone who lived through Codyverse can shrug and go "Well maybe he's just feeling really happy to be there". |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:16:31 GMT -5
Don't forget that Cody began the night by openly admitting that Roman was the better man last night. Not really he tried being humble about but then he said he was the better “competitor” and looked at Solo and then implied Solo is the reason that Roman wins. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:21:15 GMT -5
I just hope the people who said that Rhodes didn’t struggle enough to earn a world title are happy now. It’s most of the same people that said Cody didn’t deserve the title run yet and that Sami did who are now saying that Cody’s ruined for not winning the title. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 4, 2023 8:24:23 GMT -5
I just hope the people who said that Rhodes didn’t struggle enough to earn a world title are happy now. It’s most of the same people that said Cody didn’t deserve the title run yet and that Sami did who are now saying that Cody’s ruined for not winning the title. Even if that is the case, like... Circumstances change? It's way more harmful for the dude to get the big spotlight and choke than it is for him to just not get that spotlight at that point in time in the first place. Especially since almost no one was saying they shouldn't push Cody to the main event scene at all, just not at the expense of Zayn. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 4, 2023 8:25:47 GMT -5
Don't forget that Cody began the night by openly admitting that Roman was the better man last night. Not really he tried being humble about but then he said he was the better “competitor” and looked at Solo and then implied Solo is the reason that Roman wins. I thought his emphasis on "competitor" was enough to convey that he was calling out that he got screwed. Apparently not, and yet there are a lot of people who complain that there's not enough subtlety/read between the lines moments in wrestling |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 4, 2023 8:29:21 GMT -5
I just hope the people who said that Rhodes didn’t struggle enough to earn a world title are happy now. It’s most of the same people that said Cody didn’t deserve the title run yet and that Sami did who are now saying that Cody’s ruined for not winning the title. Both outcomes can be bad. It's okay to dislike two things. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:29:58 GMT -5
Not really he tried being humble about but then he said he was the better “competitor” and looked at Solo and then implied Solo is the reason that Roman wins. I thought his emphasis on "competitor" was enough to convey that he was calling out that he got screwed. Apparently not, and yet there are a lot of people who complain that there's not enough subtlety/read between the lines moments in wrestling Yeah it seemed clear what he was saying there, even if it was done more read-between-the-lines than him yelling “you only won because of Solo!” |
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Post by khali on Apr 4, 2023 8:30:37 GMT -5
If you want to believe that Cody is still going to win at Summerslam, then more power to you. But I remember when Drew couldn’t win because Roman was going to lose at Mania, and when Sami couldn’t win because Cody was going to beat him at Mania.
I’m going to believe Roman will lose after he’s pinned and the show has gone off the air. Not a moment sooner.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:32:13 GMT -5
It’s most of the same people that said Cody didn’t deserve the title run yet and that Sami did who are now saying that Cody’s ruined for not winning the title. Both outcomes can be bad. It's okay to dislike two things. They’re similar things is the issue. Cody shouldn’t win the title yet, he hasn’t struggled. Then Cody loses his first match since his return via cheating and now needs to get past Lesnar and find another way to get a title match . That’s the struggle. Can they still fumble it on the way there? Sure that’s possible. But if he beats Lesnar and/or wins MITB and earns another title shot this year, I’d imagine that he’ll be just as over and the match will be just as hot as the Mania match. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:33:23 GMT -5
If you want to believe that Cody is still going to win at Summerslam, then more power to you. But I remember when Drew couldn’t win because Roman was going to lose at Mania, and when Sami couldn’t win because Cody was going to beat him at Mania. I’m going to believe Roman will lose after he’s pinned and the show has gone off the air. Not a moment sooner. That’s fair too. If Cody doesn’t win a world title (whether by beating Roman or winning a newly created Raw title) by the end of the year I’d be shocked. But I can see why some are hesitant to believe that happens. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 4, 2023 8:38:40 GMT -5
Stardust is going to get crushed by R Truth on the Summerslam Preshow
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 4, 2023 8:38:58 GMT -5
Both outcomes can be bad. It's okay to dislike two things. They’re similar things is the issue. Cody shouldn’t win the title yet, he hasn’t struggled. Then Cody loses his first match since his return via cheating and now needs to get past Lesnar and find another way to get a title match . That’s the struggle. Can they still fumble it on the way there? Sure that’s possible. But if he beats Lesnar and/or wins MITB and earns another title shot this year, I’d imagine that he’ll be just as over and the match will be just as hot as the Mania match. I sincerely did not see the "Cody has no struggle" talking point until after Sami had already lost, and that was often in support of him losing before he lost, and then after the match in defense of that loss, rather than as a complaint about him being there. So I don't really see the correlaton there to tack on the claim that "most of the people" hold these same viewpoints that contradict each other, because that's really not how those lines are actually being drawn. Saw way more support for Sami over Cody around these parts on the idea Sami was white hot and it would make a better story, and way more use of the idea Cody needed an obstacle to defend the idea he's not ruined forever. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Apr 4, 2023 8:42:09 GMT -5
Bring back the days of babyfaces waiting in the parking lot at the start of the show for heels to show up so they can beat the f*** out of them for cheating them out of their championship. Cody, Sami, and KO should have gotten Solo alone, pinned him down, and smashed his thumb with a hammer. Hell yeah, brother. #HammerstoThumbs |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 4, 2023 8:43:12 GMT -5
They’re similar things is the issue. Cody shouldn’t win the title yet, he hasn’t struggled. Then Cody loses his first match since his return via cheating and now needs to get past Lesnar and find another way to get a title match . That’s the struggle. Can they still fumble it on the way there? Sure that’s possible. But if he beats Lesnar and/or wins MITB and earns another title shot this year, I’d imagine that he’ll be just as over and the match will be just as hot as the Mania match. I sincerely did not see the "Cody has no struggle" talking point until after Sami had already lost, and that was often in support of him losing before he lost, and then after the match in defense of that loss, rather than as a complaint about him being there. So I don't really see the correlaton there to tack on the claim that "most of the people" hold these same viewpoints that contradict each other, because that's really not how those lines are actually being drawn. Saw way more support for Sami over Cody around these parts on the idea Sami was white hot and it would make a better story, and way more use of the idea Cody needed an obstacle to defend the idea he's not ruined forever. I didn’t mean most people who are now saying Cody is ruined also said that Cody needed to struggle (just the inverse, that most of the ones saying Cody needed more of a struggle- which admittedly weren’t many people- are now saying Cody is ruined). Either way, I would’ve booked Cody to win at Mania for the feel-good crowning moment. But I definitely don’t think he’s been ruined and being put in a program with Lesnar certainly doesn’t have me thinking differently. If he gets squashed and pushed down the card and is wrestling Theory for the US Title at Summerslam then I’ll admit my faith was misplaced! |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 4, 2023 8:44:57 GMT -5
I think they think they big payoff is Cody v Solo
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Post by schma on Apr 4, 2023 8:48:30 GMT -5
Not really he tried being humble about but then he said he was the better “competitor” and looked at Solo and then implied Solo is the reason that Roman wins. I thought his emphasis on "competitor" was enough to convey that he was calling out that he got screwed. Apparently not, and yet there are a lot of people who complain that there's not enough subtlety/read between the lines moments in wrestling Subtlety can be great, but this circumstance did not call for it. He should have called a spade a spade. |
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Post by canceled4truth on Apr 4, 2023 8:54:42 GMT -5
I hate the bitch talk usually but I was just thinking last night “man why wouldn’t Cody just knock Heyman’s lights out right now?”
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Post by chrom on Apr 4, 2023 8:55:24 GMT -5
As mentioned, if this is how they treat Cody, then how are they gonna treat Kenny and The Bucks if they come over?
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