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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 11, 2023 12:03:04 GMT -5
Cody isn't mad at all that he was screwed out of the title in the main event of Wrestlemania. Now he wants a match against Brock at Backlash instead of wanting a rematch. Look how they have massacred Cody. There's a whole generation of viewers that don't remember things like Austin pacing the back lot going on a rampage after being screwed the night before, or heels having to watch their back constantly so they don't get got.
I hate to use this term.. but I remember when the heels were the pussies, not the faces.
Rock, after WrestleMania 2000, basically picked off every person involved with him being screwed one by one until it was just him and Vince in the ring to try and kick his ass. I believe that didn’t quite go to plan for him but that happened. |
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 11, 2023 12:21:45 GMT -5
At this point I'll only be happy if Cody wins the belt in a match thats less than 10 minutes. At least winning the belt in a short match would make him look stronger.
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Post by Tom Turkey on Apr 11, 2023 12:41:30 GMT -5
There's a whole generation of viewers that don't remember things like Austin pacing the back lot going on a rampage after being screwed the night before, or heels having to watch their back constantly so they don't get got.
I hate to use this term.. but I remember when the heels were the pussies, not the faces.
Rock, after WrestleMania 2000, basically picked off every person involved with him being screwed one by one until it was just him and Vince in the ring to try and kick his ass. I believe that didn’t quite go to plan for him but that happened. Also happened again after Judgment Day, where he attacked everyone in the McMahon/Helmsley Regime, and he ended the night standing tall when Undertaker showed up to run off the Regime. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 11, 2023 12:48:25 GMT -5
I watched the Dusty documentary from A&E last night, and there was an interesting segment where Cody and some of the other talking heads were talking about Dusty losing to Flair in a couple of big matches and getting bitched out through the early 80s. They were really hammering home the idea that they wanted the crowd to not only really hate Flair and be desperate to see him lose, but also get to the point of feeling like Dusty couldn't do it, so when he did it was not only a relief, but also a surprise. It genuinely sounded like the trash HHHunter and Heyman were spinning this result in to. Knowing how much HHHunter loves that period of NWA, I can genuinely now see the attempt to replicate that here, I dont know that is has worked as I dont think the crowds today want stories like that (I know I dont), but I am now at least convinced that is what they were/are going for. Now we just wait for Cody's version of 'Hard Times.' My NWA knowledge is rusty but I think fair looked vulnerable at times Also... like Roman's been champ for 3 years... the crowd already wants him to lose... and also stuff like Flair would lose by dq occasionally, or win by just openly cheating and was treated like a scumbag for it and "the dirtiest player in the game" ... instead of just... people kinda going look how dominant he is! |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 11, 2023 12:53:22 GMT -5
My NWA knowledge is rusty but I think fair looked vulnerable at times Also... like Roman's been champ for 3 years... the crowd already wants him to lose... and also stuff like Flair would lose by dq occasionally, or win by just openly cheating and was treated like a scumbag for it and "the dirtiest player in the game" ... instead of just... people kinda going look how dominant he is! Like, as someone mentioned, the NWA was what it was because there were faces across the major territories so Ric Flair being the heel made sense because he’d challenge them, make them look good in victory or defeat and moved onto the next one after he somehow retained or won the belt back. It wouldn’t get stale because there would be new people who’d be the top challenger to Flair because of the system in place (and the politics within that but still). If you have one company and the top guy is a heel and winning a lot, what’s the best way to keep that fresh? Because all that’s happening right now is making the pool of potential challengers shallow outside of people who need gimmick tweaks (Rollins) or they refuse to push for one reason or another (Lashley) or past the point where they’d be credible (Sheamus). The others are also heels. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 13:02:17 GMT -5
At this point I'll only be happy if Cody wins the belt in a match thats less than 10 minutes. At least winning the belt in a short match would make him look stronger.
At this point, only someone beating Roman's ass so hard that WWE has to use gimmicks to make him look like he's half-dead are going to make for a payoff that counterbalances 3 years of bullshit.
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Post by Tom Turkey on Apr 11, 2023 13:04:52 GMT -5
At this point I'll only be happy if Cody wins the belt in a match thats less than 10 minutes. At least winning the belt in a short match would make him look stronger. At this point, only someone beating Roman's ass so hard that WWE has to use gimmicks to make him look like he's half-dead are going to make for a payoff that counterbalances 3 years of bullshit.
Roman getting the shit beat out of him so much that it makes Brock murdering Cena at SummerSlam 14 look tame in comparison would be the way to do it. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 12, 2023 5:38:56 GMT -5
I really don't even know what reasonably could beat Roman at this point because the dude took four finishers and Cody's dead dad's big spot in rapid succession and completely no-sold it.
I think if someone tried to do the pin him under a forklift spot he'd somehow manage to jump through it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 12, 2023 5:58:22 GMT -5
My NWA knowledge is rusty but I think fair looked vulnerable at times Also... like Roman's been champ for 3 years... the crowd already wants him to lose... and also stuff like Flair would lose by dq occasionally, or win by just openly cheating and was treated like a scumbag for it and "the dirtiest player in the game" ... instead of just... people kinda going look how dominant he is! And it's the same ending to about 99% of his defenses: The opponent has Jinder Roman on the ropes, but then the Singh Bros Usos interefere |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Apr 12, 2023 6:11:37 GMT -5
Also... like Roman's been champ for 3 years... the crowd already wants him to lose... and also stuff like Flair would lose by dq occasionally, or win by just openly cheating and was treated like a scumbag for it and "the dirtiest player in the game" ... instead of just... people kinda going look how dominant he is! And it's the same ending to about 99% of his defenses: The opponent has Jinder Roman on the ropes, but then the Singh Bros Usos interefere The only thing separating Reigns from Mahal at this point is the lack of a significantly racist promo. Otherwise, it's the same thing but longer. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 12, 2023 6:19:24 GMT -5
And it's the same ending to about 99% of his defenses: The opponent has Jinder Roman on the ropes, but then the Singh Bros Usos interefere The only thing separating Reigns from Mahal at this point is the lack of a significantly racist promo. Otherwise, it's the same thing but longer. At least with Jinder, he *needed* to have interference because...well....he's Jinder. Reigns is already a massively decorated champion BEFORE all this. Him always winning via schmozz ending is just really, really lazy |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 12, 2023 8:00:25 GMT -5
The only thing separating Reigns from Mahal at this point is the lack of a significantly racist promo. Otherwise, it's the same thing but longer. At least with Jinder, he *needed* to have interference because...well....he's Jinder. Reigns is already a massively decorated champion BEFORE all this. Him always winning via schmozz ending is just really, really lazy and it could work if they played up the paranoid, unsure if he's able to be the BIG DOG anymore aspect to his run more... like they kinda were hinting at in the original Jey program... but that's not what's being presented at all. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 12, 2023 8:23:52 GMT -5
At least with Jinder, he *needed* to have interference because...well....he's Jinder. Reigns is already a massively decorated champion BEFORE all this. Him always winning via schmozz ending is just really, really lazy and it could work if they played up the paranoid, unsure if he's able to be the BIG DOG anymore aspect to his run more... like they kinda were hinting at in the original Jey program... but that's not what's being presented at all. It's really especially weird because I feel like more often than not that's how Roman plays the character, a lot of his body language in promos and the like he comes off as putting up a front and trying to avoid having to look his opponents in the eye and not really buying people talking up how great he is... but because both Heyman and the commentators respond to everything he does by shrieking about how amazing he is none of it registers. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 12, 2023 8:33:59 GMT -5
And it's the same ending to about 99% of his defenses: The opponent has Jinder Roman on the ropes, but then the Singh Bros Usos interefere The only thing separating Reigns from Mahal at this point is the lack of a significantly racist promo. Otherwise, it's the same thing but longer. The *stupidest* part of this is that none of his opponents have attempted to get at least a person or 2 to be at ringside to neutralize the Usos/Solo etc. Each one is like "Nah, I'm sure THIS time the match will be a fairly contested one, so I can go it alone" |
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Apr 12, 2023 8:51:55 GMT -5
The only thing separating Reigns from Mahal at this point is the lack of a significantly racist promo. Otherwise, it's the same thing but longer. The *stupidest* part of this is that none of his opponents have attempted to get at least a person or 2 to be at ringside to neutralize the Usos/Solo etc. Each one is like "Nah, I'm sure THIS time the match will be a fairly contested one, so I can go it alone" Yeah it seems like Cody of all people in character would be like "if anyone interferes and helps you win, no matter who it is, I win the match and the title(s). Also I can win them by DQ or countout." If not Cody, then someone in the last 3 years you think would have been written intelligently. And honestly.... I would be sorta more okay (like 1% more) with Roman being the champ he is if commentary weren't verbally blowing him as this conquering hero. Like he CHEATS EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Sell him as an asshole that knows he can do better, but doesn't want to. Sell him as this manipulative prick who will use anyone to remain champ. Instead of selling him like this end all be all of amazingness, and look how clever, and dominant BAH GAWD Roman is. It reminds me of when they had commentary verbally blowing Nikki Bella and her championship reign as this role model to girls, and this amazing performer when she used twin magic like every f***ing match to retain. That shit drives me nuts. Portray the character to the audience how they are, not how you think they should be, but then don't present them as that. It makes no goddam sense. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 12, 2023 9:03:47 GMT -5
Hmm the Jinder comparisons to Roman might be why I haven't really been wowed by the bloodline storyline because if Roman was supposed to be so dominant he wouldn't be such a coward having his family do his bidding
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 12, 2023 10:00:18 GMT -5
Hmm the Jinder comparisons to Roman might be why I haven't really been wowed by the bloodline storyline because if Roman was supposed to be so dominant he wouldn't be such a coward having his family do his bidding Yeah but like, that’s been the entire point of the storyline in the first place. His dependency on his family falling in line to support him. To acknowledge him. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 12, 2023 10:07:41 GMT -5
He just comes off as an emperor with no clothes
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 12, 2023 10:16:02 GMT -5
Hmm the Jinder comparisons to Roman might be why I haven't really been wowed by the bloodline storyline because if Roman was supposed to be so dominant he wouldn't be such a coward having his family do his bidding Yeah but like, that’s been the entire point of the storyline in the first place. His dependency on his family falling in line to support him. To acknowledge him. as stated it's supposed to be... but it's really not. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 12, 2023 10:41:03 GMT -5
Yeah but like, that’s been the entire point of the storyline in the first place. His dependency on his family falling in line to support him. To acknowledge him. as stated it's supposed to be... but it's really not. Exactly, if they’re saying Roman is the greatest yet Roman’s only winning because of his family members and nobody really acknowledges that (Ha), it’s people putting in that isn’t described in the text. It’s very much the equivalent of Max Landis trying to convince everyone HHH had one long story arc starting from the Hunter Hearst Helmsley days which, objectively, just isn’t true if you watch any of the product from 1996 onwards. If they’re not saying it to you, especially with enough hours of television to do that, it’s not what they want to sell their audience on. |
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