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Post by Tom Turkey on Jun 6, 2023 17:25:53 GMT -5
Dude should have won at 'mania, but right now Cody looks good - Dude beat Beastie Boy and made him bleed. He looks a hell of a lot better than Braun Strowman, Johnny Gargano, John Cena, Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe and Roman Reigns did in 2018. 2018 was a vintage year for Bitches, Cody hasn't plummed those depths and credit to WWE, it doesn't look like he will. Cody’s two recent losses (three if we count the triple threat) have been due to extra bullshit (Solo interfering at Mania, Brock taking advantage of Cody’s hurt arm) and not getting pinned clean, so the whole “Cody is a bitch” thing really doesn’t hold water. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 6, 2023 17:31:51 GMT -5
What I will say, and my overall issue is that you're not going to guarantee that keeps up to WrestleMania next year since that seems to be the plan. If it does, awesome, they've done a good job in maintaining it. It's just more that there are too many examples in WWE's own history, never mind pro wrestling history, of not capitalizing when the time is right and when their prescribed time does come, the person in question's been overshadowed by someone else (which, hell, almost happened this year with Zayn). I'll gladly call a spade a spade if we get to next April and Cody/Roman II is bigger than the match this year and makes them way more money. But I need a lot of convincing in the next few months. Yeah they've done a great job keeping him hot so far but after Summerslam is the biggest challenge. I hope they have something good planned to keep his momentum high. Dom at MITB and Brock III at Summerslam I think will be great but they'll then need to keep him busy in the months post-Summerslam until Mania season begins in January. Reports are that the Brock match at Summerslam is going to be a "rarely used gimmick match" whatever that means. I'm not sure Hell in a Cell is considered rare since you usually get a couple a year. I hope it's not an ironman match. I don't think that'd fit the feud at all and I just hate the gimmick. A 3 stages of hell match would work and I can't recall the last time they had one of those. Or maybe some NWA style thing like a bullrope match or something. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 6, 2023 17:33:25 GMT -5
What I will say, and my overall issue is that you're not going to guarantee that keeps up to WrestleMania next year since that seems to be the plan. If it does, awesome, they've done a good job in maintaining it. It's just more that there are too many examples in WWE's own history, never mind pro wrestling history, of not capitalizing when the time is right and when their prescribed time does come, the person in question's been overshadowed by someone else (which, hell, almost happened this year with Zayn). I'll gladly call a spade a spade if we get to next April and Cody/Roman II is bigger than the match this year and makes them way more money. But I need a lot of convincing in the next few months. Yeah they've done a great job keeping him hot so far but after Summerslam is the biggest challenge. I hope they have something good planned to keep his momentum high. Dom at MITB and Brock III at Summerslam I think will be great but they'll then need to keep him busy in the months post-Summerslam until Mania season begins in January. Reports are that the Brock match at Summerslam is going to be a "rarely used gimmick match" whatever that means. I'm not sure Hell in a Cell is considered rare since you usually get a couple a year. I hope it's not an ironman match. I don't think that'd fit the feud at all and I just hate the gimmick. A 3 stages of hell match would work and I can't recall the last time they had one of those. Or maybe some NWA style thing like a bullrope match or something. Cody: BROCK I WANT YOU IN THE PUNJABI PRISON!!! |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2023 17:36:18 GMT -5
What I will say, and my overall issue is that you're not going to guarantee that keeps up to WrestleMania next year since that seems to be the plan. If it does, awesome, they've done a good job in maintaining it. It's just more that there are too many examples in WWE's own history, never mind pro wrestling history, of not capitalizing when the time is right and when their prescribed time does come, the person in question's been overshadowed by someone else (which, hell, almost happened this year with Zayn). I'll gladly call a spade a spade if we get to next April and Cody/Roman II is bigger than the match this year and makes them way more money. But I need a lot of convincing in the next few months. The one thing I'll begrudgingly admit as someone who thought he should have won at Mania is that his reactions only seem to grow larger. More people are chanting for him during matches, the "WHOA" moments in his song are getting louder and as we saw last night, people are straight up singing the song now. As someone else noted in the thread, the key is the post-SummerSlam/pre-Rumble dead zone. If they get through that without turbulence, then they may have a bigger match. That's a big ol "if," though. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 6, 2023 17:42:11 GMT -5
Yeah they've done a great job keeping him hot so far but after Summerslam is the biggest challenge. I hope they have something good planned to keep his momentum high. Dom at MITB and Brock III at Summerslam I think will be great but they'll then need to keep him busy in the months post-Summerslam until Mania season begins in January. Reports are that the Brock match at Summerslam is going to be a "rarely used gimmick match" whatever that means. I'm not sure Hell in a Cell is considered rare since you usually get a couple a year. I hope it's not an ironman match. I don't think that'd fit the feud at all and I just hate the gimmick. A 3 stages of hell match would work and I can't recall the last time they had one of those. Or maybe some NWA style thing like a bullrope match or something. Cody: BROCK I WANT YOU IN THE PUNJABI PRISON!!! Cody v Brock. One Final Beat. Bryan Alvarez can hear imaginary commentary again. Or a reverse tattoo match. If Cody loses he gets a massive American Nightmare tattoo on his back. If Brock loses he gets a sword on his neck. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2023 17:50:42 GMT -5
Cody: BROCK I WANT YOU IN THE PUNJABI PRISON!!! Cody v Brock. One Final Beat. Bryan Alvarez can hear imaginary commentary again. Or a reverse tattoo match. If Cody loses he gets a massive American Nightmare tattoo on his back. If Brock loses he gets a sword on his neck. I'm not even joking when I say this: What if it's some combination of the Bunkhouse Stampede match and the King of the Road match from Uncensored 94? SummerSlam's in Detroit. A fight that starts in a truck and winds up as a brawl in the arena kind of feels appropriate. I'm only half-joking. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jun 6, 2023 17:59:39 GMT -5
Granted I've not read all 36 pages but the I feel that the "Cody is a bitch" narrative would be "Cody is OP" if he won the 2 matches he lost..and f***, I don't miss booking 😂
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 6, 2023 19:24:03 GMT -5
Granted I've not read all 36 pages but the I feel that the "Cody is a bitch" narrative would be "Cody is OP" if he won the 2 matches he lost..and f***, I don't miss booking 😂 That was already starting when he won the Rumble |
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 7, 2023 4:34:06 GMT -5
What I will say, and my overall issue is that you're not going to guarantee that keeps up to WrestleMania next year since that seems to be the plan. If it does, awesome, they've done a good job in maintaining it. It's just more that there are too many examples in WWE's own history, never mind pro wrestling history, of not capitalizing when the time is right and when their prescribed time does come, the person in question's been overshadowed by someone else (which, hell, almost happened this year with Zayn). I'll gladly call a spade a spade if we get to next April and Cody/Roman II is bigger than the match this year and makes them way more money. But I need a lot of convincing in the next few months. The one thing I'll begrudgingly admit as someone who thought he should have won at Mania is that his reactions only seem to grow larger. More people are chanting for him during matches, the "WHOA" moments in his song are getting louder and as we saw last night, people are straight up singing the song now. As someone else noted in the thread, the key is the post-SummerSlam/pre-Rumble dead zone. If they get through that without turbulence, then they may have a bigger match. That's a big ol "if," though. I think saying 'yeah, but what about after Summerslam' suggests that that wouldn't have been an issue had he won at WrestleMania. There's a pretty long history of people turning on babyfaces in WWE when it's felt they're overpushed, which people were already starting to feel about Cody before he lost to Roman. In hindsight, the way things have worked out totally justifies the decision. It's probably extended his run as a face by about a year. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2023 4:52:57 GMT -5
The one thing I'll begrudgingly admit as someone who thought he should have won at Mania is that his reactions only seem to grow larger. More people are chanting for him during matches, the "WHOA" moments in his song are getting louder and as we saw last night, people are straight up singing the song now. As someone else noted in the thread, the key is the post-SummerSlam/pre-Rumble dead zone. If they get through that without turbulence, then they may have a bigger match. That's a big ol "if," though. I think saying 'yeah, but what about after Summerslam' suggests that that wouldn't have been an issue had he won at WrestleMania. There's a pretty long history of people turning on babyfaces in WWE when it's felt they're overpushed, which people were already starting to feel about Cody before he lost to Roman. In hindsight, the way things have worked out totally justifies the decision. It's probably extended his run as a face by about a year. It will NEVER justify the decision to me, and I do not think Cody winning the belt would have made fans "turn" on him, everyone, including almost everyone here, WANTED Cody to win, and they were behind him to do it, dragging this out an entire 'nother year sounds absolutely awful tbh. Losing hasn't extinguished his babyface fire nor has the detour away from the world title, but I don't get the narrative of "See? It totally justifies the decision and EXTENDED his babyface run!" at all He should have won at Mania, it was dumb that he didn't, and nothing about his reactions would have changed I don't think for awhile, depending on how long the reign was and the booking of it. Statpadding Roman's reign was and is stupid and the Bloodline story didn't need him as champion to continue, maybe that's a hot take but I'll still say it. We especially didn't need a third new world title to be announced completely separate from Roman's orbit to compensate for that. Glad the Universal belt got retired but it really imo highlighted just how stupid Mania night 2 was. I'm glad Cody didn't completely crater afterwards, but I am not gonna subscribe to Mania Night 2 actually being a good booking decision, HHH can hold that L of L's far as I'm concerned lol |
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 7, 2023 6:05:44 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to the idea that you can't dislike or complain about something because it's popular.
However, it's a strange looking 'L of L's' for HHH to hold when business is flying.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2023 6:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, look, even if it doesn’t work out, whether a decision is justified or not really comes down to personal preference. Especially in a company that’s built itself as too big to fail. Like, many fans basically stopped watching from 2013 onwards when the Authority was at its peak and literally nothing happened to the bottom line. Otis could beat Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns tomorrow, become the true undisputed champion and USA will renew Raw by this time next year.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 7, 2023 7:38:41 GMT -5
Yeah, look, even if it doesn’t work out, whether a decision is justified or not really comes down to personal preference. Especially in a company that’s built itself as too big to fail. Like, many fans basically stopped watching from 2013 onwards when the Authority was at its peak and literally nothing happened to the bottom line. Otis could beat Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns tomorrow, become the true undisputed champion and USA will renew Raw by this time next year. 100% agree on that. You don't have to like a movie or a song because it's popular, and you don't have to like a wrestling angle because it's popular either. The only thing I would take issue with, is the persisting idea that Cody winning was some gateway to a land of milk and honey where everything is awesome and Cody is set for life. Yes they made a decision at WrestleMania, yes they need to stick the landing and maintain Cody's overness... but they would've had to do that regardless. And given the history of top babyfaces who never lose in WWE, that would've been equally (if not more) difficult to pull off with Cody as champ. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 7, 2023 8:09:30 GMT -5
You're all assuming that Roman/Cody II is the plan for Mania. I would love to see it but I wouldn't be surprised it it's done and Cody was just the latest opponent for Roman.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2023 8:24:50 GMT -5
You're all assuming that Roman/Cody II is the plan for Mania. I would love to see it but I wouldn't be surprised it it's done and Cody was just the latest opponent for Roman. I'm merely going from the idea people had where they want to replicate the Rhodes/Flair build where Rhodes won the belt at Starrcade 85, had the decision reversed and then won it again later in 1986 during the Great American Bash tour which lead to bigger success for Jim Crockett Promotions at the time. So the idea being, Cody lost at WrestleMania, goes through hell in the form of Brock Lesnar and others to try and get another shot (to build further obstacles even though, like, a long injury and a Royal Rumble win as all HHH needed in 2002 but whatever, that discussion has been beaten to death), leading to a bigger match in Philadelphia where Cody wins to, in theory, a bigger reaction and box office. If you look at it from a business perspective, to not have a rematch between the top drawing heel and the top drawing babyface is absurd and from what it seems like, the potential implosion of the Bloodline and Cody's feud with Brock are ways of holding that off for as long as possible so whilst I have reservations about whether they'd be able to keep Cody over throughout that time (because, as some of you may have realized, it's not 1985 anymore and hasn't been for almost 40 years), there's no reason to think there isn't an objective to have that be the case because, well, they're a business, Cody and Roman are good business investments, nobody else has been close and it just makes sense. |
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Post by Fade on Jun 7, 2023 10:22:14 GMT -5
Yeah they've done a great job keeping him hot so far but after Summerslam is the biggest challenge. I hope they have something good planned to keep his momentum high. Dom at MITB and Brock III at Summerslam I think will be great but they'll then need to keep him busy in the months post-Summerslam until Mania season begins in January. Reports are that the Brock match at Summerslam is going to be a "rarely used gimmick match" whatever that means. I'm not sure Hell in a Cell is considered rare since you usually get a couple a year. I hope it's not an ironman match. I don't think that'd fit the feud at all and I just hate the gimmick. A 3 stages of hell match would work and I can't recall the last time they had one of those. Or maybe some NWA style thing like a bullrope match or something. Cody: BROCK I WANT YOU IN THE PUNJABI PRISON!!! Brock: I WANT A BRA & PANTIES MATCH |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 7, 2023 10:55:03 GMT -5
Granted I've not read all 36 pages but the I feel that the "Cody is a bitch" narrative would be "Cody is OP" if he won the 2 matches he lost..and f***, I don't miss booking 😂 But the results of those two matches are VERY important to the story. To use a sports analogy, Jim Kelly played 177 games. If you flip the results of four of them, he's the greatest QB of all time instead of just a really good QB. |
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Post by Treklubj on Jun 7, 2023 20:08:36 GMT -5
I think saying 'yeah, but what about after Summerslam' suggests that that wouldn't have been an issue had he won at WrestleMania. There's a pretty long history of people turning on babyfaces in WWE when it's felt they're overpushed, which people were already starting to feel about Cody before he lost to Roman. In hindsight, the way things have worked out totally justifies the decision. It's probably extended his run as a face by about a year. It will NEVER justify the decision to me, and I do not think Cody winning the belt would have made fans "turn" on him, everyone, including almost everyone here, WANTED Cody to win, and they were behind him to do it, dragging this out an entire 'nother year sounds absolutely awful tbh. Losing hasn't extinguished his babyface fire nor has the detour away from the world title, but I don't get the narrative of "See? It totally justifies the decision and EXTENDED his babyface run!" at all He should have won at Mania, it was dumb that he didn't, and nothing about his reactions would have changed I don't think for awhile, depending on how long the reign was and the booking of it. Statpadding Roman's reign was and is stupid and the Bloodline story didn't need him as champion to continue, maybe that's a hot take but I'll still say it. We especially didn't need a third new world title to be announced completely separate from Roman's orbit to compensate for that. Glad the Universal belt got retired but it really imo highlighted just how stupid Mania night 2 was. I'm glad Cody didn't completely crater afterwards, but I am not gonna subscribe to Mania Night 2 actually being a good booking decision, HHH can hold that L of L's far as I'm concerned lol How is this is an L of Ls for Triple H? The two hottest guys in the business in March were Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. The two hottest guys in the business in June are Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes, with a serious case for both being hotter now than before Wrestlemania. That is smart booking. Further, it will be incredible booking if the plan from one year to the next is Roman surviving the implosion of the Bloodline and Cody taking 2 of 3 from Brock, (potentially) winning his second Runble and dethroning Roman at Wrestlemania 40. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2023 20:11:12 GMT -5
It will NEVER justify the decision to me, and I do not think Cody winning the belt would have made fans "turn" on him, everyone, including almost everyone here, WANTED Cody to win, and they were behind him to do it, dragging this out an entire 'nother year sounds absolutely awful tbh. Losing hasn't extinguished his babyface fire nor has the detour away from the world title, but I don't get the narrative of "See? It totally justifies the decision and EXTENDED his babyface run!" at all He should have won at Mania, it was dumb that he didn't, and nothing about his reactions would have changed I don't think for awhile, depending on how long the reign was and the booking of it. Statpadding Roman's reign was and is stupid and the Bloodline story didn't need him as champion to continue, maybe that's a hot take but I'll still say it. We especially didn't need a third new world title to be announced completely separate from Roman's orbit to compensate for that. Glad the Universal belt got retired but it really imo highlighted just how stupid Mania night 2 was. I'm glad Cody didn't completely crater afterwards, but I am not gonna subscribe to Mania Night 2 actually being a good booking decision, HHH can hold that L of L's far as I'm concerned lol How is this is an L of Ls for Triple H? The two hottest guys in the business in March were Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. The two hottest guys in the business in June are Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes, with a serious case for both being hotter now than before Wrestlemania. That is smart booking. Further, it will be incredible booking if the plan from one year to the next is Roman surviving the implosion of the Bloodline and Cody taking 2 of 3 from Brock, (potentially) winning his second Runble and dethroning Roman at Wrestlemania 40. That was more of a joke tagged on at the end that I thought it wasn't a good booking decision. Don't read much into it other than I don't agree with Mania Night 2, think the decision was BS, and I don't think this needed to go an entire extra year whatsoever and them potentially doing that I think is a bad decision. So, for me, my own personal opinion, I hated this booking decision and HHH can hold that L lol |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 8, 2023 3:08:12 GMT -5
The popular, heavily pushed, but questionably booked bleached blonde American hero has trouble dethroning the A'naoi holding the championship.
Sooner or later, the more popular Canadian that ought to be main eventing more, but isn't, will take the championship, instead of the American.
Basically
Cody = Lex Luger
Roman = Yoko
Sami = Bret Hart
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