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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 30, 2024 0:04:17 GMT -5
Bitch Status is back on tentatively, because holy f*** what an atrocious promo with Seth to pretend that fake world title matters. The promos themselves were very good |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 30, 2024 0:05:39 GMT -5
I thought that whole segment tonight was really good even if I don't buy for a second he'll go after seth I agree and I think it will look better in hindsight if this planted the seeds for Gunther to challenge Rollins. The wording of the night-after-night matches, the "Workhorse" etc. It all seems like words that Gunther would have claim to as well. Then we have Gunther challenge for the world heavyweight championship but not for a unification match - give him an IC title defense either earlier in the night or night one. Then if/when he wins, give him both belts but not in any sort of unified reign - but him choosing to follow the obligation of defending both the IC title and the world title in separate matches. Some nights you can double-dip him, other nights you can have him only defend one. Really opens up some fun new areas to explore if you want a believable money in the bank cash in on the world title without interruptin the IC reign. Or have someone challenge him for the world title and fail, but want to beat Gunther so bad that Pearce only lets them challenge for the IC belt and then they win, ending the historic reign while Gunther continues to be champion. I think there's a lot with a non-unified double champion that they can explore that could be wholly fresh and new. This would give us what a lot of people have been begging for since we started watching wrestling, a double champion who values both titles equally and both are just as important to the crowd too. Doing it the way you mentioned also helps legitimize the WHC even more instead of it being brought back as the title that is around because WWE maybe booked themselves into a corner with Roman's run. If Gunther were to win the WHC, the crowd would go just as insane for him losing the IC as they would the main WHC title. Priest would have a lane, however narrow, to challenge successfully and have it make sense. Hell you'd probably get rid of the WHC jokes overnight because as dominant as Roman is, in kayfabe I'm sure as hell preferring to fight Roman instead of Gunther because Gunther has his guys around on occasion but he doesn't need them while Roman does. Gunther has Imperium around but they don't need to sneak in and attack someone, he'll beat you with 20 different moves easy peasy. |
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Post by ghost on Jan 30, 2024 0:06:18 GMT -5
There’s no doubt in my mind that they are doing Cody/Reigns. This Rollins thing is just to kill some TV time.
Whether Cody actually wins is a different story. I think he will this time but I also thought he would last time.
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 30, 2024 0:10:57 GMT -5
I thought that whole segment tonight was really good even if I don't buy for a second he'll go after seth I agree and I think it will look better in hindsight if this planted the seeds for Gunther to challenge Rollins. The wording of the night-after-night matches, the "Workhorse" etc. It all seems like words that Gunther would have claim to as well. Then we have Gunther challenge for the world heavyweight championship but not for a unification match - give him an IC title defense either earlier in the night or night one. Then if/when he wins, give him both belts but not in any sort of unified reign - but him choosing to follow the obligation of defending both the IC title and the world title in separate matches. Some nights you can double-dip him, other nights you can have him only defend one. Really opens up some fun new areas to explore if you want a believable money in the bank cash in on the world title without interruptin the IC reign. Or have someone challenge him for the world title and fail, but want to beat Gunther so bad that Pearce only lets them challenge for the IC belt and then they win, ending the historic reign while Gunther continues to be champion. I think there's a lot with a non-unified double champion that they can explore that could be wholly fresh and new. Gunther cutting a promo where he calls Rollins a coward for ducking him is where this is going to go. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 30, 2024 0:17:15 GMT -5
Even if he wins, he’s still a bitch. This is the most manufactured face since, well, Roman Reigns. Manufactured? The crowd has loved him since the second he came back. He has. Perhaps manufactured wasn't the correct word choice on my part. The guy just reeks of inauthenticity to me. From his fake hair colour, to his fake "I'm just a huge fan, just like you" to "Finish the story" which is just a marketing term. He's over, no question and he does have amazing interactions with the fans and they love him. And, he's gonna beat Roman at WrestleMania and he's gonna "Finish the story". And he's going to stand there with no place to go, just like Warrior did when he beat Hogan. Plenty of great guys to face, Drew, KO, Sami, Orton, LA Knight...all guys Roman has beaten and Drew and KO who are just geeks now. Anyway, the point is, I don't like him, hope the audience follows him, but I think once he gets there, it's going to be an uphill battle. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 30, 2024 0:21:05 GMT -5
Manufactured? The crowd has loved him since the second he came back. He has. Perhaps manufactured wasn't the correct word choice on my part. The guy just reeks of inauthenticity to me. From his fake hair colour, to his fake "I'm just a huge fan, just like you" to "Finish the story" which is just a marketing term. He's over, no question and he does have amazing interactions with the fans and they love him. And, he's gonna beat Roman at WrestleMania and he's gonna "Finish the story". And he's going to stand there with no place to go, just like Warrior did when he beat Hogan. Plenty of great guys to face, Drew, KO, Sami, Orton, LA Knight...all guys Roman has beaten and Drew and KO who are just geeks now. Anyway, the point is, I don't like him, hope the audience follows him, but I think once he gets there, it's going to be an uphill battle. Sorry to tell you he’s probably going to be just fine. People thought he’d fall off after last year’s loss and he’s stayed just as if not more over. And he still has a ton of fresh opponents to go through. |
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Post by Schizo on Jan 30, 2024 0:26:50 GMT -5
Bitch Status is back on tentatively, because holy f*** what an atrocious promo with Seth to pretend that fake world title matters. What kind of argument is this? You rather them, NOT talk as if the World Title matters?, it’s a World Title, you’re supposed to build it up as if it matters and a big deal, And if I may, how did that promo make Cody a bitch just curious? |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 30, 2024 0:28:30 GMT -5
He has. Perhaps manufactured wasn't the correct word choice on my part. The guy just reeks of inauthenticity to me. From his fake hair colour, to his fake "I'm just a huge fan, just like you" to "Finish the story" which is just a marketing term. He's over, no question and he does have amazing interactions with the fans and they love him. And, he's gonna beat Roman at WrestleMania and he's gonna "Finish the story". And he's going to stand there with no place to go, just like Warrior did when he beat Hogan. Plenty of great guys to face, Drew, KO, Sami, Orton, LA Knight...all guys Roman has beaten and Drew and KO who are just geeks now. Anyway, the point is, I don't like him, hope the audience follows him, but I think once he gets there, it's going to be an uphill battle. Sorry to tell you he’s probably going to be just fine. People thought he’d fall off after last year’s loss and he’s stayed just as if not more over. And he still has a ton of fresh opponents to go through. Hope for the people who watch he will be fine, but I think he's gonna run into issues. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 30, 2024 0:34:40 GMT -5
Sorry to tell you he’s probably going to be just fine. People thought he’d fall off after last year’s loss and he’s stayed just as if not more over. And he still has a ton of fresh opponents to go through. Hope for the people who watch he will be fine, but I think he's gonna run into issues. Issues that aren't limited to him, and seem to be just standard with booking a babyface champion after the chase is over. Keeping him fresh will be the challenge, and the hope is that they succeed. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 30, 2024 0:40:09 GMT -5
Hope for the people who watch he will be fine, but I think he's gonna run into issues. Issues that aren't limited to him, and seem to be just standard with booking a babyface champion after the chase is over. Keeping him fresh will be the challenge, and the hope is that they succeed. Right and who on the roster hasn't Roman beaten? You can throw any numbers of guys at Cody and the matches will be fine, but now there's been 4 years of conditioning on super long reigns, not just Roman's. "Finish the story" as Cody winning the title is also an issue, once he does...what's next? The only guy with enough cred to face Cody and beat him, who hasn't been smashed by Roman is Gunther. So, Cody wins, they quickly switch to Gunther, how much is that going to piss the audience off? |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2024 0:40:55 GMT -5
Bitch Status is back on tentatively, because holy f*** what an atrocious promo with Seth to pretend that fake world title matters. What kind of argument is this? You rather them, NOT talk as if the World Title matters?, it’s a World Title, you’re supposed to build it up as if it matters and a big deal, And if I may, how did that promo make Cody a bitch just curious? I'd rather they not talk like the fake consolation prize title actually means more than the actual world titles that Roman has, because it doesn't, and it's a joke that they even are trying to make a belt that is six month's old hold any gravitas for Mania over the guy with a historic title reign. And Cody even thinking about it makes him look stupid, it's Roman or nothing, there shouldn't even be a thought about this, especially given Seth might not even be AT Mania, but for plots sake there is. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2024 0:42:17 GMT -5
Bitch Status is back on tentatively, because holy f*** what an atrocious promo with Seth to pretend that fake world title matters. The promos themselves were very good Don't agree at all, hated everything about it. Cody looks dumb, Seth tried to gas up a world title that is a consolation prize and no one is going to convince the at large world that it isn't, it was only created because Roman has a stranglehold on the OTHER TWO WORLD TITLES. This being presented as a legitimate debate is laughable, and honestly one of Seth's more grating promos I've had to listen to lately. I GET what they're trying to do, I think the execution is shit. |
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Post by ace on Jan 30, 2024 0:50:26 GMT -5
You can not make up how funny it is to see what you defend one night and then destroy another. And you can’t take any of it seriously.
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Post by Schizo on Jan 30, 2024 0:51:21 GMT -5
What kind of argument is this? You rather them, NOT talk as if the World Title matters?, it’s a World Title, you’re supposed to build it up as if it matters and a big deal, And if I may, how did that promo make Cody a bitch just curious? I'd rather they not talk like the fake consolation prize title actually means more than the actual world titles that Roman has, because it doesn't, and it's a joke that they even are trying to make a belt that is six month's old hold any gravitas for Mania over the guy with a historic title reign. And Cody even thinking about it makes him look stupid, it's Roman or nothing, there shouldn't even be a thought about this, especially given Seth might not even be AT Mania, but for plots sake there is. Chill dude Why would they not talk as if the Raw Title is equal to Roman’s title? Yeah, Thd Undisputed Title is the one with the history, we all know that. But in Kayfabe, the World Title is the top belt on Raw and the Undisputed Title is the top belt on SmackDown, in that regard they are equal. Iam just trying to rap my head around why it angers you so much that they’re building up the World Title as something important and worth fighting for like THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?!? As for Cody, we all know he’s going after Roman, that’s a given, this whole angle with Seth is just to keep him busy till the mania build start. it’s perfectly reasonable and not that big a deal to lose your shit over lol |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 30, 2024 0:55:06 GMT -5
I'd rather they not talk like the fake consolation prize title actually means more than the actual world titles that Roman has, because it doesn't, and it's a joke that they even are trying to make a belt that is six month's old hold any gravitas for Mania over the guy with a historic title reign. And Cody even thinking about it makes him look stupid, it's Roman or nothing, there shouldn't even be a thought about this, especially given Seth might not even be AT Mania, but for plots sake there is. Chill dude Why would they not talk as if the Raw Title is equal to the Roman’s title? Yeah, Thd Undisputed Title is the one with the history, we all know that. But if Kayfabe, the World Title is the top belt on Raw and the Undisputed Title is the top belt on SmackDown, in that regard they are equal. Iam just trying to rap my head around why it angers you so much that they’re building up the World Title as something important and worth fighting for like THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?!? As for Cody, we all know he’s going after Roman, that’s a given, this whole angle with Seth is keep him busy till the mania build start. it’s perfectly reasonable and those big a deal to lose your shit over lol I don't mean to speak for whomever you're arguing with, but, the belt Seth holds is the bronze medal. It just is. It's the "here's your pizza party!!!" for making us $4 billion dollars last year. Bless you, you're the fan WWE wants. You think what Seth holds is worth something, but it's not. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 30, 2024 1:00:32 GMT -5
I don’t mind them trying to put over that the World title matters too. It really doesn't, but nothing is gained from saying that in the story which is why I wish Heyman would stop doing it.
But I feel like the solution to that problem isn’t, “Yeah, this storyline we’ve been building for years is terrible useless shit, who even cares?” Like yeah, I totally agree with that too, but that isn’t the story they’ve been telling or are planning to sell and it made Seth come off more like an egotistical heel than the scrappy fighting face he’s supposed to be.
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Post by Fade on Jan 30, 2024 1:02:07 GMT -5
Chill dude Why would they not talk as if the Raw Title is equal to the Roman’s title? Yeah, Thd Undisputed Title is the one with the history, we all know that. But if Kayfabe, the World Title is the top belt on Raw and the Undisputed Title is the top belt on SmackDown, in that regard they are equal. Iam just trying to rap my head around why it angers you so much that they’re building up the World Title as something important and worth fighting for like THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?!? As for Cody, we all know he’s going after Roman, that’s a given, this whole angle with Seth is keep him busy till the mania build start. it’s perfectly reasonable and those big a deal to lose your shit over lol I don't mean to speak for whomever you're arguing with, but, the belt Seth holds is the bronze medal. It just is. It's the "here's your pizza party!!!" for making us $4 billion dollars last year. Bless you, you're the fan WWE wants. You think what Seth holds is worth something, but it's not. That’s a dick move, dude. Objectively, yeah, I’d agree, Seth’s title is the “bronze medal”. The secondary belt. That said, I’ve personally enjoyed the he’ll out of his reign. I think he’s brought it value. You could argue a huge portion of the audience does too from how over the Guy’s remained. It’s like if you asked who the top champion of the wrestling world is. Objectively? People would probably say Roman but I guarandamntee you a lot would say the AEW world title holds more merit. Or the IWGP, etc. I’d love to see some of yall in charge and how you’d promote the title “ay, truth is this titles buttcheeks, so go out there and say it is”. In what world doesn’t it make sense for the company to try and bolster the “secondary title”? Isn’t small examples like that, as well as matches and the reign itself, where the title could eventually build importance? |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2024 1:06:14 GMT -5
I'd rather they not talk like the fake consolation prize title actually means more than the actual world titles that Roman has, because it doesn't, and it's a joke that they even are trying to make a belt that is six month's old hold any gravitas for Mania over the guy with a historic title reign. And Cody even thinking about it makes him look stupid, it's Roman or nothing, there shouldn't even be a thought about this, especially given Seth might not even be AT Mania, but for plots sake there is. Chill dude Why would they not talk as if the Raw Title is equal to Roman’s title? Yeah, Thd Undisputed Title is the one with the history, we all know that. But in Kayfabe, the World Title is the top belt on Raw and the Undisputed Title is the top belt on SmackDown, in that regard they are equal. Iam just trying to rap my head around why it angers you so much that they’re building up the World Title as something important and worth fighting for like THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?!? As for Cody, we all know he’s going after Roman, that’s a given, this whole angle with Seth is just to keep him busy till the mania build start. it’s perfectly reasonable and not that big a deal to lose your shit over lol No need to tell me to chill when that's what the belt is. I get what they're doing, I get what they're trying to do, and I'm free to call it f***ing stupid, because it is stupid. That belts entire existence from day one was STUPID, it's a third world title because Roman has to hold both other world titles, the RAW belt is only the "top belt" because the actual "top belt" got unified by a dude who now works once every three months and won't lose either belt. That's not good booking to me, at all. What are they supposed to do? Not book yourselves into a corner where you have to have a third consolation prize world champion who gets hurt trying to make it a workhorse belt and then cut a promo acting like it's on the same bar as the belts Roman's hold. It's goofy as f*** and the crowd's initial reaction said it all, it's Cody vs Roman, and even teasing this as a serious thought is a complete waste of time. It's not hard to wrap your head around why it upsets me, I'm not "losing my shit" I'm giving you a very even response as to why the belt is a joke no matter how hard they want to gas up that it isn't, and this promo imo made everyone look ridiculous (And Damien Priest continue to look like the stupidest man alive). Just pick Roman and get it over with. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 30, 2024 1:06:25 GMT -5
I don’t mind them trying to put over that the World title matters too. It really doesn't, but nothing is gained from saying that in the story which is why I wish Heyman would stop doing it. But I feel like the solution to that problem isn’t, “Yeah, this storyline we’ve been building for years is terrible useless shit, who even cares?” Like yeah, I totally agree with that too, but that isn’t the story they’ve been telling or are planning to sell and it made Seth come off more like an egotistical heel than the scrappy fighting face he’s supposed to be. It probably would've made more sense if Seth was a heel and was specifically being paid off by the Bloodline to keep Cody away from Roman. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2024 1:08:40 GMT -5
I don't mean to speak for whomever you're arguing with, but, the belt Seth holds is the bronze medal. It just is. It's the "here's your pizza party!!!" for making us $4 billion dollars last year. Bless you, you're the fan WWE wants. You think what Seth holds is worth something, but it's not. That’s a dick move, dude. Objectively, yeah, I’d agree, Seth’s title is the “bronze medal”. The secondary belt. That said, I’ve personally enjoyed the he’ll out of his reign. I think he’s brought it value. You could argue a huge portion of the audience does too from how over the Guy’s remained. It’s like if you asked who the top champion of the wrestling world is. Objectively? People would probably say Roman but I guarandamntee you a lot would say the AEW world title holds more merit. Or the IWGP, etc. I’d love to see some of yall in charge and how you’d promote the title “ay, truth is this titles buttcheeks, so go out there and say it is”. In what world doesn’t it make sense for the company to try and bolster the “secondary title”? Isn’t small examples like that, as well as matches and the reign itself, where the title could eventually build importance? This isn't even the secondary title, the universal title is, this is the third world title that only exists because of how they booked Roman Reigns Calling attention to it and calling it "Dusty's Belt" is actually insulting tbh, it'd be better if they called less attention to how this has fallen completely off the rails since Seth got hurt, but this was some shark jumping shit to try and gas up this belt as anything but what it actually is, the "Roman doesn't wanna work Tuesdays" title. I'm not gonna praise a belt that was made because they gave the other two world titles to a guy who now works completely part time, especially given that's a booking horror they've fallen into for the past decade and won't learn from it lol |
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