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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 22, 2023 17:46:58 GMT -5
For animated films, Frozen II in 2019 would be the last one I'd call a huge hit. After that you've got (Including Disney and Fox stuff) Spies in Disguise Onward Soul Raya and the Last Dragon Luca Ron's Gone Wrong Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild Turning Red The Bob's Burger's Movie Lightyear Strange World I know every film can't make almost 2 billion dollars like Frozen II, but that list is a mixed bag at best. A lot of those don’t even count because they made the decision to either ship them to D+ early because of the pandemic or altogether. The strategy has changed with Iger back in charge. Onward was hurt because Covid hit right as it went to theaters. Luca went straight to D+ along with Soul to the displeasure of Pixar to boost D+ numbers. Turning Red and Ice Age were straight to D+ too. Raya’s numbers were hurt by Covid. Lightyear and Strange World were flops. Strange World (a good movie) flopped largely due to the marketing basically amounting to “oh, this is out? go see it, I guess…” and not much else.
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Post by Ganon83 on May 22, 2023 21:51:55 GMT -5
I think Luca would have been a big hit had it come out a year later ftr
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 22, 2023 22:14:58 GMT -5
Between Spider-Verse, the ugly art style, the derivative plot, the invisible advertising, and it inevitably ending up on Disney Plus it does seem pretty much destined to flop.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 22, 2023 22:31:35 GMT -5
Its also out the same weekend that a film featuring possible appearances of an certain aging Bruce Wayne and starring an alleged criminal brainwasher called the Flash, most of Elemental's audience will come from the anti-Ezra Miller camp come opening weekend
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 22, 2023 22:40:52 GMT -5
I am not shocked if it's projected to do badly
The marketing has been terrible
It's up against a really staunch animated June in terms of competition (Ruby Gillman, Nimona, Spiderverse)
And it's also premiering the same day as The Flash... and despite the controversy surrounding the film, that's probably gonna get a lot of money, and a lot of attention
It doesn't mean it's going to Bomb outright, but if projections are low? There are pretty logical reasons as to why, especially for the opening weekend
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 22, 2023 22:53:56 GMT -5
I am not shocked if it's projected to do badly The marketing has been terrible It's up against a really staunch animated June in terms of competition (Ruby Gloom, Nimona, Spiderverse) And it's also premiering the same day as The Flash... and despite the controversy surrounding the film, that's probably gonna get a lot of money, and a lot of attention It doesn't mean it's going to Bomb outright, but if projections are low? There are pretty logical reasons as to why, especially for the opening weekend Wait, there's something new with Ruby Gloom? By which I mean, "Wait, there's something new with Misery?"
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 23, 2023 0:30:18 GMT -5
I am not shocked if it's projected to do badly The marketing has been terrible It's up against a really staunch animated June in terms of competition (Ruby Gloom, Nimona, Spiderverse) And it's also premiering the same day as The Flash... and despite the controversy surrounding the film, that's probably gonna get a lot of money, and a lot of attention It doesn't mean it's going to Bomb outright, but if projections are low? There are pretty logical reasons as to why, especially for the opening weekend Wait, there's something new with Ruby Gloom? By which I mean, "Wait, there's something new with Misery?"Ah sorry, Ruby Gillman lol My brain mixed the two up lol
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 23, 2023 3:47:43 GMT -5
In fairness it’s up against a crowded box office. But I think the way Elemental’s been marketed hurt it somewhat- I’ll have to see it to make a better judgment on this theory, but we just had Zootopia and Raya the Last Dragon come out from WDAS with stories themed around overcoming differences and assumptions, and some of those comparisons probably had people automatically deciding it doesn’t have that much new plot synopsis wise. Is it even being marketed, period? I haven't seen an ad, commercial, trailer, promotion for this movie at all. The first glimpse I saw of it were pictures on that link, and the first thing I thought when I saw them were, "Wait, is 'Inside Out' getting a sequel?" I've seen posters for it at the theater, and like one bus advertisement for it... so there is some advertising for it but they aren't really pushing it particularly hard. and yeah inside the magic are terrible
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Post by The Spelunker! on May 23, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -5
Not shocked at all. Saw the trailer in theaters and the consensus was this looks like it has nothing new to show or say.
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2023 8:37:57 GMT -5
Not shocked at all. Saw the trailer in theaters and the consensus was this looks like it has nothing new to show or say. It's basically Zootopia all over again the way it looks
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Post by Push R Truth on May 23, 2023 8:57:36 GMT -5
I'm just here to say I liked Encanto.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 23, 2023 10:03:17 GMT -5
Is it even being marketed, period? I haven't seen an ad, commercial, trailer, promotion for this movie at all. The first glimpse I saw of it were pictures on that link, and the first thing I thought when I saw them were, "Wait, is 'Inside Out' getting a sequel?" I've seen posters for it at the theater, and like one bus advertisement for it... so there is some advertising for it but they aren't really pushing it particularly hard. and yeah inside the magic are terrible Basically what doomed Strange World at the box office.
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2023 10:22:11 GMT -5
I'm just here to say I liked Encanto. Encanto was good, and the first film in a while that felt like it had that Disney magic.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on May 23, 2023 10:41:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Encanto was a big success for Disney. It was released during a horrible COVID wave, but still had tremendous staying power. It felt like people were talking about it in some shape or form for months after its release.
With that said, I completely forgot about Elementals until this thread. It just looks like an uglier Inside Out, and it probably doesn't even have a hot animated dad either.
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Post by The Spelunker! on May 23, 2023 12:10:59 GMT -5
I've seen posters for it at the theater, and like one bus advertisement for it... so there is some advertising for it but they aren't really pushing it particularly hard. and yeah inside the magic are terrible Basically what doomed Strange World at the box office. I saw the trailer over and over, but I’m not the target audience.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 23, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -5
Disney + is eating them alive. They're putting out more premium content than ever before, costs are higher for Disney because they need so much content to make the service seem worth it, plus the state of the economy and audiences are less willing to roll the dice and pay for what seems like a middling family movie when they know it'll be on D+ in a short while.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 23, 2023 17:58:15 GMT -5
Honestly Elementals feels like an (albeit affectionate) parody of Pixar movie rather than an actual one. The core concept has such a been there done that air to it that I suspect much of the prospective audience doesn't see the point in watching it period, let alone in theaters.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 23, 2023 18:03:00 GMT -5
I mostly found Encanto kind of insufferable personally. Probably doesn't help I watched it and Turning Red back-to-back nights and they have similar themes I kind of thought the latter handled better but in general a lot of its cast was kind of annoying and I didn't really find myself actually wanting to see this family work out their issues so much as just drop their toxic association with each other. Best I can really give Encanto is it had like three really good songs and a bunch of others I don't remotely remember.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 23, 2023 19:10:58 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 23, 2023 19:13:18 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7. Honestly the fact that Wish has an actual villain is like the one thing that makes me curious about it.
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