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Post by chrom on May 23, 2023 19:36:06 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7. Agreed. And no, don't give them sappy back stories. Their job is to be hated. Have them actually be evil. Prince John was hilarious sure and you loved to hate him but he was also a greedy cruel tyrant who made the lives of others miserable.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 23, 2023 20:32:46 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7. I’d like to see them do something realistic like an evil wizard for a change rather than keep doing absurd fantasies like an overbearing family member sincerely apologizing for something
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 23, 2023 20:36:55 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7. The villains were often the strongest point of any Disney/Pixar movie. The last one that truly stood out was Ernesto De la Cruz.
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Post by Burst on May 23, 2023 20:41:04 GMT -5
Inside the Magic is clickbait garbage that will just make shit up. They keep popping up into my suggested headlines whenever I open up Chrome on my phone and some of the BS headlines I've seen about the Disney Parks makes wrestling newz look well thought out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 23, 2023 21:43:12 GMT -5
I do think Disney needs to remember how to make Villains... almost all of their more recent releases the villain has been family trauma... which is fine... but... it's been the main conflict in like the past 7. The villains were often the strongest point of any Disney/Pixar movie. The last one that truly stood out was Ernesto De la Cruz. do you have to go back to Incredibles 2 to get the last actual villain? I know Raya had a rival but she never really reached full on Villain status from what I remember.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 23, 2023 22:35:29 GMT -5
Looked up Elemental's art style just out of curiosity. Water Guy looks like Osmosis Jones.
I have nothing else to add.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2023 10:57:27 GMT -5
Given the layoffs happening at Pixar as-is I'm really dreading what's going to happen after this movie inevitably spectacularly bombs between being surrounded by Spider-Man, Flash, Transformers, and that Ruby Gillman thing. Does kind of feel like Pixar might well end up being broken down and folded into Disney's general animation division sooner rather than later with how unimportant they are these days.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 4, 2023 11:16:52 GMT -5
Given the layoffs happening at Pixar as-is I'm really dreading what's going to happen after this movie inevitably spectacularly bombs between being surrounded by Spider-Man, Flash, Transformers, and that Ruby Gillman thing. Does kind of feel like Pixar might well end up being broken down and folded into Disney's general animation division sooner rather than later with how unimportant they are these days. That’s on Disney themselves though. Throwing Onward and maybe Soul on Disney + was maybe a necessity because of Covid…but when they continued on with Luca and Turning Red I think they broke the spirits of a lot of staff there.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jun 4, 2023 18:16:08 GMT -5
Given the layoffs happening at Pixar as-is I'm really dreading what's going to happen after this movie inevitably spectacularly bombs between being surrounded by Spider-Man, Flash, Transformers, and that Ruby Gillman thing. Does kind of feel like Pixar might well end up being broken down and folded into Disney's general animation division sooner rather than later with how unimportant they are these days. This is the same company that shot itself in the foot by putting Strange World out to get slaughtered by the new Black Panther movie. I don't think Disney knows how bad timing works when it comes to releases. I'm in the camp Pixar has lost its magic but it shouldn't have to go down like this.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 4, 2023 19:49:09 GMT -5
Given the layoffs happening at Pixar as-is I'm really dreading what's going to happen after this movie inevitably spectacularly bombs between being surrounded by Spider-Man, Flash, Transformers, and that Ruby Gillman thing. Does kind of feel like Pixar might well end up being broken down and folded into Disney's general animation division sooner rather than later with how unimportant they are these days. This is the same company that shot itself in the foot by putting Strange World out to get slaughtered by the new Black Panther movie. I don't think Disney knows how bad timing works when it comes to releases. I'm in the camp Pixar has lost its magic but it shouldn't have to go down like this. I don’t think they’ve completely lost their magic, I loved Turning Red, but they have definitely taken on a lot more shaky projects than before, and have basically just morphed into another branch of Disney Animation Studios where the output is streaky now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 4, 2023 20:05:21 GMT -5
"Disney hasn't had a big box office hit since 2019!"
To be fair, there was this global outbreak of a deadly disease that might have affected box office for a few years after that. That and Disney+ cannibalizing things hurt the theater chances of many Disney films. That said, I'd say stuff like Encanto probably made up the difference to an extent due to the hit songs from it probably bringing in some revenue. Other stuff like Onward are probably decidedly less lucky.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2023 20:06:21 GMT -5
I do feel like Disney+ is likely a major part of it. Like I really haven't even especially considered seeing GotG3 despite seeing and quite enjoying the first two and a significant part of why is, "Whatever, it'll be on Disney+ soon anyway."
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 4, 2023 20:11:15 GMT -5
This is the same company that shot itself in the foot by putting Strange World out to get slaughtered by the new Black Panther movie. I don't think Disney knows how bad timing works when it comes to releases. I'm in the camp Pixar has lost its magic but it shouldn't have to go down like this. I don’t think they’ve completely lost their magic, I loved Turning Red, but they have definitely taken on a lot more shaky projects than before, and have basically just morphed into another branch of Disney Animation Studios where the output is streaky now. I legitimately forget sometimes what is and isn't Pixar. Pixar as a brand probably has some safety due to prestige, but I've seen people joke that we're only going to get more sequels now, and there's probably truth in that, like Incredibles 3 or something. Toy Story is probably well and truly tapped, so they can't count on that, and I don't really even know what they'd do with another Cars or Finding ____, short of maybe Nemo himself becoming an adult and him being the one having to look for somebody like his dad. Even that has the issue of Ellen completely botching her audience good will by now, though, and if you don't have Dory, you have a real lack of recognizable characters to lean on.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2023 20:14:44 GMT -5
I don’t think they’ve completely lost their magic, I loved Turning Red, but they have definitely taken on a lot more shaky projects than before, and have basically just morphed into another branch of Disney Animation Studios where the output is streaky now. I legitimately forget sometimes what is and isn't Pixar. Pixar as a brand probably has some safety due to prestige, but I've seen people joke that we're only going to get more sequels now, and there's probably truth in that, like Incredibles 3 or something. Toy Story is probably well and truly tapped, so they can't count on that, and I don't really even know what they'd do with another Cars or Finding ____, short of maybe Nemo himself becoming an adult and him being the one having to look for somebody like his dad. Even that has the issue of Ellen completely botching her audience good will by now, though, and if you don't have Dory, you have a real lack of recognizable characters to lean on. They do have both Toy Story 5 and Inside Out 2 announced, though really not sure what you actually do with either one.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 4, 2023 21:02:43 GMT -5
Elemental was definitely hurt by how much money was put into advertising The Little Mermaid. Do I think Elemental would’ve been a gigantic money maker? No, not at all. Still, it could’ve done strong numbers if so much wasn’t sunk into another unnecessary live action remake.
It Disney went back to their “singles and doubles,” strategy of the Renaissance Era, where they focused on making smaller, less expensive movies that didn’t need to be massive money makers to be successful, they could fix some of their problems. Instead, we’re going to get a live action Lilo and Stitch that already has people complaining about casting (I got a good laugh from that) and probably a Hercules remake that’ll be awful.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 4, 2023 21:23:10 GMT -5
Elemental was definitely hurt by how much money was put into advertising The Little Mermaid. Do I think Elemental would’ve been a gigantic money maker? No, not at all. Still, it could’ve done strong numbers if so much wasn’t sunk into another unnecessary live action remake. It Disney went back to their “singles and doubles,” strategy of the Renaissance Era, where they focused on making smaller, less expensive movies that didn’t need to be massive money makers to be successful, they could fix some of their problems. Instead, we’re going to get a live action Lilo and Stitch that already has people complaining about casting (I got a good laugh from that) and probably a Hercules remake that’ll be awful. Could be a double loss for Disney, judging by how much Little Mermaid has kinda lagged in terms of BO earnings (releasing it a week before the new animated Spider-Man does not help), and how Elemental is tracking.
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 4, 2023 21:34:21 GMT -5
A plot that's been done to death without any of the charm needed to stand out amongst the other "opposites attract/be yourself/you don't have to conform to what people think you should be" plots Pixar has done.
I mean, I love Pixar, but some of their ideas seem more tailored to short films than entire feature length movies. Or not made at all, in the case of Lightyear.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 8, 2023 8:53:50 GMT -5
Movie currently has a 63% on RT out of 16 reviews and even most of the positive reviews are pretty middling. This thing's pretty for sure going to end up going out to die against Spidey next weekend.
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Post by salz4life on Jun 8, 2023 10:28:34 GMT -5
This is the same company that shot itself in the foot by putting Strange World out to get slaughtered by the new Black Panther movie. I don't think Disney knows how bad timing works when it comes to releases. I'm in the camp Pixar has lost its magic but it shouldn't have to go down like this. I don’t think they’ve completely lost their magic, I loved Turning Red, but they have definitely taken on a lot more shaky projects than before, and have basically just morphed into another branch of Disney Animation Studios where the output is streaky now. I also thought Turning Red was a good movie.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 9, 2023 2:57:45 GMT -5
Oh man this is honestly just getting sad now. I just saw that they made posters for this film where they parody/pay homage to other Pixar films.
And all I can think looking at the posters is, “I’d rather be watching those films…”
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