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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 21, 2023 9:35:52 GMT -5
Adam Cole will betray him. Mega face MJF then conquers the earth.
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Post by Talent Name on Jul 21, 2023 9:43:20 GMT -5
Adam Cole will betray him. Mega face MJF then conquers the earth. And Roderick Strong is confused |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 21, 2023 10:03:22 GMT -5
IF they turn MJF heel again they cant do the HAHA GOT YOU,IM THE DEVIL schtick again
They should go "YES YOU ARE MY FRIEND, IT HURTS ME BUT I GOTTA DEFEND MYSELF" make him clearly be hurt and not hide it.
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Post by Fade on Jul 21, 2023 10:54:02 GMT -5
Have them win the tag titles.
Roderick “I can’t deliver an authentic line to save my life” Strong continues to build the wedge between them.
They (Cole and max) win the tag titles. They STILL have a match for the AEW world title. Max retains. Split is teased. Cole chooses max over strong.
Then keep them as tag champs for a bit, still walk that fine line until they can drop it to another hot team.
You can, at that point, eventually pull the trigger on one of them turning. Or keep ‘em as friends.
The most boring option would be MJF or Cole turning on the other right now or at after the tag titles match.
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Post by markymark on Jul 21, 2023 11:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by pinja on Jul 21, 2023 12:26:49 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like if they don't turn MJF full face here, they never can. One more "lol got'em" is going to give him boy who cried wolf aura permanently. They would X-Pac MJF if he'd betray Cole just like that. That would make Cole Kane and who would want that? |
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Post by jm on Jul 21, 2023 12:27:07 GMT -5
If TK ends this within the next couple of weeks, it'll be the dumbest thing he's ever done thus far. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 21, 2023 13:38:12 GMT -5
To reiterate, I think the key here is that even if we do end up with face Cole vs. heel MJF for the title at one of the upcoming PPVs (and, let's face it, a bit more of this build and that will be a big money match, I don't see them passing it up for too long) they have to make sure they get there without it just boiling down to Max playing Cole for a patsy all along. Whatever brings them to the match needs to be something where, again, one of Max's character flaws just keeps him from being fully happy, and he does something in the heat of the moment that he passes off as "oh, yeah, I was gonna do that all along!", but we should be able to tell that he's actually gutted about it (something that MJF the actor is fully capable of expressing, I think). Having him react so strongly to Cole touching the belt was a sign of that; this man isn't always some evil schemer, he's also just incredibly insecure and has major trust issues that can cause him to fly off the handle and ruin a good thing, and Cole got a glimpse of that. Thinking about it, when he's played the crowd before it was first pretending he was Cody's buddy (though it was pretty obvious he was still heel in all of that), then it was playing the crowd before beating Moxley. In both cases that was him manipulating and lying about his intentions as a means of getting himself up the ranks, first by using an EVP to get his foot into the upper card, and then by riding the crowd's reaction to the world title, itself. But now he's at the top of the mountain, and maybe he began this thinking he'd play the crowd again before sticking the knife in Cole, but maybe he's also realizing that it actually is lonely at the top, and maybe this time, if he does sink the dagger in the back, it won't be anything that pulls him any higher, because where else is there for him to go? He might still end up attacking Cole, might cut a promo swearing that was his plan all along, but something will have spurred it on not because he's just a dick, but because he's damaged and hasn't worked through his issues yet. Basically, the friendship has to have turned into something genuine, Max can still screw it all up, but this has to be the one where it takes him some place new. Losing this friendship (or at least temporarily suspending it, can always reunite later, right?) can be the impetus to really make him dive deeper into being "the Devil" and to give in to that self-loathing that's always been right beneath the surface with this character, rather than always being able to uphold the spoiled rich kid facade. Send him to his lowest, and you ironically open the door to giving him an actual redemption arc once someone (Eddie Kingston in NYC, pls and thnx) knocks him off the throne. Loved everything they did again last night, I usually hate most dancing in wrestling and mash up themes and yet absolutely adored both last night, everything they do just makes me smile. It doesn't have a long shelf life perhaps but there are ways around just having one turn on the other and having Max go back to being a guy without any friends. They keep showing Roddy out in the cold every week so I think there's a chance he costs them their tag title match, either inadvertently or otherwise, which would give them a little longer to still be friends, doubling down that both guys were being genuine and it wasn't just about winning the tag titles, could also buy Tony some time to figure out what to do if he decides to move away from his original plan. That'd be what I would do...that or just have them actually win. Quite incredible that they had a phenomenal half an hour draw and have been involved in some of the most fun, compelling TV in AEW almost every week since and yet the result is nobody really wants to see the rematch yet 🤣 Ooh, I think you might've nailed it; Roddy doesn't trust Max, still cares about Cole, does something (probably) inadvertently that costs them the titles, Max is justifiably furious, Cole wants to defend his longtime friend...and he inadvertently ends up breaking Max's heart, because he sees Cole's and Strong's friendship and can't help but think "I thought we were friends, but he doesn't care about ME the same way he does Roddy. He must hate me, he's been faking this whole thing; after all I'm terrible, aren't I? @#$% him for making me think like this!" Then a later potential MJF beatdown of Cole isn't him smirking and acting like he had the great plan all along; a potential MJF beatdown of Cole is instead an act of sadness, heartbreak, and self-loathing. Can even have Cole later point it out in some way, that the good friend is in there, that Max just has to be willing to accept other people...while still vowing to beat the shit out of him, of course. Again, I'm saying all this because I don't see any way they just don't book MJF vs. Cole for the title at some point; it basically has to happen, and the more heat going into the match the hotter ticket it'll be. I'm just looking at a way you can book it without things immediately reverting to status quo, and in a way that opens the door to MJF finally growing past his worst demons somewhere in the near future. Just keeping him and Cole together for good likely doesn't fully work; feels like one of those moments where you have to break the audience's heart at some point, even if the intention down the road is to mend it. The way to subvert expectations is not to have MJF turn heel but with some internal struggle about it- I think that’s primarily what people expect and dread here. Subvert expectations by having Cole turn heel on MJF, and MJF can keep being this babyface-ish type character that he’s been the last few weeks that people love. I’d also ideally delay that turn for months down the road after you build up the alliance between them further, but I’m thinking TK is set on them headlining either Wembley or All Out. |
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jul 21, 2023 15:10:16 GMT -5
Maybe it's something like MJF is planning to screw Cole but he's actually beginning to enjoy himself and genuinely like being friends with Cole. The audience is reminded how MJF has complained that he was lonely and bullied at school and his 'better than you' persona is therapy for that but he finds having mates is better, maybe he feels some regret for ending his friendships with Cody and Jericho to get ahead.
So, after a bit of conflict, he decides to abandon the plan to beat up Cole and they remain buddies. Strong who is super jealous finds a conveniently placed piece of evidence (perhaps he's in cahoots with MJF and is unhappy at the plan being abandoned) and reveals the truth to Cole probably on the tron mid-match which costs them the tag titles (I would have them beat FTR but make it a short reign).
MJF is genuinely remorseful but Cole isn't interested. You can go goofball MJF for this (boombox outside Cole's house annoying Britt) or srs (a distraught 'forever alone' MJF destroys Strong) or maybe both.
They meet at Wembley and you basically redo Piper/Bret at WM8 with MJF throwing the ringbell or whatever away to make it a fair fight which Cole wins. They hug and shake hands after the match and MJF as a trash-talking LA Knight/Rock-style babyface is born. He's lost the title but by sticking by his mate he is finally the cool kid he never got to be at school.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 15:32:17 GMT -5
I just want a moment where one of them is behind the other with a title belt and makes like they're going to hit them but last second they drop the belt and hug the other.
There has been nothing in wrestling in a long time that has put a smile on my face like these two together. I honestly think breaking them up is a mistake. Lightning in a bottle is a phrase used a lot but I feel they've struck gold with this and
I understand wanting a great title match at Wembley but I honestly would be weary of how the crowd would react if they break up. UK is known for having pretty vocal crowds and I'd be concerned about the reaction the match might get if the entire audience would rather see them team up.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 21, 2023 15:43:37 GMT -5
I just want a moment where one of them is behind the other with a title belt and makes like they're going to hit them but last second they drop the belt and hug the other. There has been nothing in wrestling in a long time that has put a smile on my face like these two together. I honestly think breaking them up is a mistake. Lightning in a bottle is a phrase used a lot but I feel they've struck gold with this and I understand wanting a great title match at Wembley but I honestly would be weary of how the crowd would react if they break up. UK is known for having pretty vocal crowds and I'd be concerned about the reaction the match might get if the entire audience would rather see them team up. They did something very similar this weeks show But agreed, to compare with WWE. It was like if they decided to remove Dom from the Judgment Day storyline. |
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Post by jm on Jul 21, 2023 16:05:18 GMT -5
I can see why MJF/Cole at Wembley has to be babyface vs heel if it happens. I mean, when has there ever been a huge wrestling event at Wembley that had a face vs face title match in the main event and is fondly remembered as a classic match?
OH WAIT.......................
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Post by Dub H on Jul 21, 2023 16:09:13 GMT -5
I think not only Mjf Cole should win the titles but Khan should take the chance to have a tag title match main event a ppv. Y
The company is not gonna collapse if the world title is not defended in one ppv
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 21, 2023 16:09:22 GMT -5
I can see why MJF/Cole at Wembley has to be babyface vs heel if it happens. I mean, when has there ever been a huge wrestling event at Wembley that had a face vs face title match in the main event and is fondly remembered as a classic match? OH WAIT....................... To be fair Bret was working kind of heelish for that. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 21, 2023 17:02:10 GMT -5
I can see why MJF/Cole at Wembley has to be babyface vs heel if it happens. I mean, when has there ever been a huge wrestling event at Wembley that had a face vs face title match in the main event and is fondly remembered as a classic match? OH WAIT....................... Eh, hard to replicate the same thing when the '92 match had a family feud angle, Bret working a bit more heelish, and most importantly Davey Boy being a Brit in the main event for the first major company PPV in UK history. Not saying the crowd couldn't get into a face vs. face match with these two, but the story needs to go somewhere, and a potential match needs to at least have some kind of tension to it, whether that's building a really personal feud or at least introducing the potential of things going sideways due to the stakes of the match. |
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Post by jm on Jul 21, 2023 17:07:08 GMT -5
I can see why MJF/Cole at Wembley has to be babyface vs heel if it happens. I mean, when has there ever been a huge wrestling event at Wembley that had a face vs face title match in the main event and is fondly remembered as a classic match? OH WAIT....................... To be fair Bret was working kind of heelish for that. Bulldog and Bret still hugged at the end. If MJF has to defend the title against Cole at Wembley, you could do the same: one of them works kind of heelish in the match, and then they hug and are cool and still a tag team at the end. |
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Post by jm on Jul 21, 2023 17:10:06 GMT -5
I can see why MJF/Cole at Wembley has to be babyface vs heel if it happens. I mean, when has there ever been a huge wrestling event at Wembley that had a face vs face title match in the main event and is fondly remembered as a classic match? OH WAIT....................... Eh, hard to replicate the same thing when the '92 match had a family feud angle, Bret working a bit more heelish, and most importantly Davey Boy being a Brit in the main event for the first major company PPV in UK history. Not saying the crowd couldn't get into a face vs. face match with these two, but the story needs to go somewhere, and a potential match needs to at least have some kind of tension to it, whether that's building a really personal feud or at least introducing the potential of things going sideways due to the stakes of the match. You don't throw away one of the hottest acts in the company just so there can be a world title match at Wembley. That's what you'd be doing if you broke up MJF and Cole. By any metric, they are one of the hottest acts right now. It's way too early to break them up just so a world title match can be on the card. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 21, 2023 17:11:42 GMT -5
Eh, hard to replicate the same thing when the '92 match had a family feud angle, Bret working a bit more heelish, and most importantly Davey Boy being a Brit in the main event for the first major company PPV in UK history. Not saying the crowd couldn't get into a face vs. face match with these two, but the story needs to go somewhere, and a potential match needs to at least have some kind of tension to it, whether that's building a really personal feud or at least introducing the potential of things going sideways due to the stakes of the match. You don't throw away one of the hottest acts in the company just so there can be a world title match at Wembley. That's what you'd be doing if you broke up MJF and Cole. By any metric, they are one of the hottest acts right now. It's way too early to break them up just so a world title match can be on the card. I mean, again, you can have a world title match without breaking up MJF and Adam Cole. It's why I'm advocating for Jay White to get the shot because if there's anyone that can try and tear the two apart, besides each other, it's someone like Jay White. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 21, 2023 17:13:13 GMT -5
Eh, hard to replicate the same thing when the '92 match had a family feud angle, Bret working a bit more heelish, and most importantly Davey Boy being a Brit in the main event for the first major company PPV in UK history. Not saying the crowd couldn't get into a face vs. face match with these two, but the story needs to go somewhere, and a potential match needs to at least have some kind of tension to it, whether that's building a really personal feud or at least introducing the potential of things going sideways due to the stakes of the match. You don't throw away one of the hottest acts in the company just so there can be a world title match at Wembley. That's what you'd be doing if you broke up MJF and Cole. By any metric, they are one of the hottest acts right now. It's way too early to break them up just so a world title match can be on the card. Agreed. Breaking them up after a few weeks just for the sake of a title match has the potential to leave neither of them as hot acts coming out of the PPV and heading into the fall. It’s premature. |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 21, 2023 17:18:09 GMT -5
I think for wembley you have both as tag champs and have Cole on Mjfs correr against a heel. You can have a lot of story told likely that
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