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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 23, 2023 19:18:02 GMT -5
So I’m back from Barbenheimer and I gotta say it was pretty well made. The part where RDJr’s character was trying to nail Ken as part of the communist party was pretty wild, and I wasn’t expecting Margot Robbie’s impromptu dance number to change the committee’s mind. I liked it when the Kens were testing the nuclear fission, but I wasn’t sure the whole laboratory needed to be so pink and plastic.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 24, 2023 3:15:08 GMT -5
I'd just like to point out how much Cillian Murphy in this movie reminds me of Peter Weller in Naked Lunch.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 24, 2023 5:07:10 GMT -5
I completed the first part of watching Barbenheimer by watching Nolan's flick just a few hours ago. I'm gonna finish this up by watching Barbie on Wednesday. As for my take on Oppenheimer after watching: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The acting and the way it visually looked were done really well. But I thought the scenes felt disjointed in the way it presented everything. It was trying to cram and address everything about the man into the film. I think Nolan should have focused on just one aspect. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 6:59:56 GMT -5
One thing that should be said, for all the bashing Warner Bros has taken, and rightfully so, the marketing of this movie has made it feel like an event in the same way big studio movies used to be. It was basically everywhere for a good few months which is what it should be. Combined that with people making memes from a movie that’s completely different from it and people genuinely making it a double bill made people want to go to the cinema or feel like you should. And cinemas themselves are making it an event with how they’ve promoted both films releasing on the same day so I think it’ll be a real boon for them, especially independent ones screening both.To put in context of this last point, one of the independent cinemas here in Dublin, the Light House, just said it had its busiest weekend in terms of screenings in 11 years. Considering the stuff that has come out in that timeframe, that's wild. I'm sure we'll be hearing more stories of that sort of boon in the next few days and weeks considering. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 24, 2023 8:35:00 GMT -5
One thing that should be said, for all the bashing Warner Bros has taken, and rightfully so, the marketing of this movie has made it feel like an event in the same way big studio movies used to be. It was basically everywhere for a good few months which is what it should be. Combined that with people making memes from a movie that’s completely different from it and people genuinely making it a double bill made people want to go to the cinema or feel like you should. And cinemas themselves are making it an event with how they’ve promoted both films releasing on the same day so I think it’ll be a real boon for them, especially independent ones screening both.To put in context of this last point, one of the independent cinemas here in Dublin, the Light House, just said it had its busiest weekend in terms of screenings in 11 years. Considering the stuff that has come out in that timeframe, that's wild. I'm sure we'll be hearing more stories of that sort of boon in the next few days and weeks considering. It’s been a wild weekend even in the states. Barbenheimer is the first time *EVER* that two films have opened in the US where one film opened at $100+ million and the other at over $50 million. The vast majority of time a film opens over $100 mil in the US the second place film that weekend almost always tops out at around $50 million, and hell two films debuting to $50+ mil in and of itself is extremely rare too. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 8:45:22 GMT -5
To put in context of this last point, one of the independent cinemas here in Dublin, the Light House, just said it had its busiest weekend in terms of screenings in 11 years. Considering the stuff that has come out in that timeframe, that's wild. I'm sure we'll be hearing more stories of that sort of boon in the next few days and weeks considering. It’s been a wild weekend even in the states. Barbenheimer is the first time *EVER* that two films have opened in the US where one film opened at $100+ million and the other at over $50 million. The vast majority of time a film opens over $100 mil in the US the second place film that weekend almost always tops out at around $50 million, and hell two films debuting to $50+ mil in and of itself is extremely rare too. It's just amazing that all this came out because (allegedly, along with correcting my first post here) Warner Bros was annoyed Christopher Nolan and his production company left to sign with Universal and were petty enough to decide to put a big IP movie against it. And now it could have been the best decision they've made this year for cinemas globally. Which doesn't say much considering *waves hands in the air* but still! |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 9:07:32 GMT -5
The fact both are blowing away expectations in America just shows how intentional pettiness sometimes both backfires and works out at the same time.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 24, 2023 9:45:44 GMT -5
The fact both are blowing away expectations in America just shows how intentional pettiness sometimes both backfires and works out at the same time. The intentional pettiness turning into folks seeing both movies instead of picking one over the other is a magical little thing. |
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Post by Schizo on Jul 24, 2023 10:22:39 GMT -5
Surprised The Dark Knight/Mama Mia didn’t have this kind of marketing success
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Post by Fade on Jul 24, 2023 14:48:41 GMT -5
The fact both are blowing away expectations in America just shows how intentional pettiness sometimes both backfires and works out at the same time. The intentional pettiness turning into folks seeing both movies instead of picking one over the other is a magical little thing. Jay from RLM brought up the same point that’s made me enamored with this whole thing for months: Instead of these antipolar things being pitted against one another, there was fun and comradery. They may just be movies, but that’s a truly beautiful thing. Especially in these times. My worry now is that studios are going to try and manufacture this, Don’t. Come up with new ideas, and spread them to cater to different markets. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 24, 2023 14:54:05 GMT -5
The intentional pettiness turning into folks seeing both movies instead of picking one over the other is a magical little thing. Jay from RLM brought up the same point that’s made me enamored with this whole thing for months: Instead of these antipolar things being pitted against one another, there was fun and comradery. They may just be movies, but that’s a truly beautiful thing. Especially in these times. My worry now is that studios are going to try and manufacture this, Don’t. Come up with new ideas, and spread them to cater to different markets. People are trying to make SawPatrol a thing (because Saw X and the new Paw Patrol movie are out the same day) and yeah, please don’t try it. Frankly, the three lessons studio should learn from this is; 1) If you aim a movie directly at women and the wider LGBT+ community, they will come down to watch it (which after many many successes, you’d think they learn, but they don’t in the same way they don’t about movies targeted at different minorities and ages etc). 2) Give Directors/actors/writers more creative freedom in their work and in marketing because then their love and passion will flow enough to get people invested in watching it (like, the campaign for Ryan Gosling to get at least two Oscar noms in acting and song might have started this past weekend and I’m not even kidding) 3) F***ing get back to the table and pay the actors and writers what they’re worth. This would not have happened without any of them. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 24, 2023 14:56:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I was really amused when Greta and Margot and Christopher and Cillian went and saw each other's movies and just had fun with it.
Though I will expect other studios to try the same thing because the entertainment industry (not just Hollywood, but video games, TV, music, etc) shamelessly copycats what works in an attempt to catch lightning in a bottle twice. It never works ou, but that doesn't stop them!
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 26, 2023 5:16:19 GMT -5
Read an article saying this past weekend proves people don’t want sequels or reboots anymore, only original ideas. So I looked at the Top 10 domestic movies of 2013, and we have 8 sequels/reboots, 1 movie based on a 41 year old media franchise and one based on a 65 year old toy/media franchise. So I’m struggling to see how the reached their theory
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 26, 2023 5:26:40 GMT -5
Read an article saying this past weekend proves people don’t want sequels or reboots anymore, only original ideas. So I looked at the Top 10 domestic movies of 2013, and we have 8 sequels/reboots, 1 movie based on a 41 year old media franchise and one based on a 65 year old toy/media franchise. So I’m struggling to see how the reached their theory It’s sort of like the Superhero fatigue theory where you could look at it and go “Well, GOTG 3 and Spider-Verse are two of the biggest movies this year so far so people just want quality rather than quantity?” since audiences know that the people involved in those movies are good at their jobs. The real lesson It should be taken is that if you get passionate people involved in a project in all areas, market it well and put it at a time people will want to see it (and not fund it so much it’s impossible to turn a profit), you’ll make money. Imagine if Chloe Zhao or another critically acclaimed director were put on projects they actually wanted to do instead of being handed a Marvel movie for example. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 26, 2023 5:37:59 GMT -5
Read an article saying this past weekend proves people don’t want sequels or reboots anymore, only original ideas. So I looked at the Top 10 domestic movies of 2013, and we have 8 sequels/reboots, 1 movie based on a 41 year old media franchise and one based on a 65 year old toy/media franchise. So I’m struggling to see how the reached their theory It’s sort of like the Superhero fatigue theory where you could look at it and go “Well, GOTG 3 and Spider-Verse are two of the biggest movies this year so far so people just want quality rather than quantity?” since audiences know that the people involved in those movies are good at their jobs. The real lesson It should be taken is that if you get passionate people involved in a project in all areas, market it well and put it at a time people will want to see it (and not fund it so much it’s impossible to turn a profit), you’ll make money. Imagine if Chloe Zhao or another critically acclaimed director were put on projects they actually wanted to do instead of being handed a Marvel movie for example. It’ll be interesting to see how Barbie and Oppenheimer do on their second weekend. Their successes were heavily driven by FOMO due to the Barbenheimer shit. More then flick I can remember in awhile, their release felt like a true event and I’m curious if they can hold any of that momentum or if people have moved passed it already If 2023 has taught us anything, it’s that we have no f***ing clue what successes and what failures to study and take away from, because nobody seems to have any f***ing clue what pulls the general public into a theatre now. It really feels like that group that attends movies every week, so you’re you’re trying to convince them to pick your movie, has severely dropped off in number. Lately not only do you have to convince someone to pick your movie you have to convince them to go to the theatre in the first place |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 26, 2023 6:03:32 GMT -5
Interestingly, to bring back The Light House again, they’re doing a Barbie screening that include a karaoke party afterwards so that might be the way to do it.
Heck, one of the Oppenheimer screenings for next weekend is completely sold out there.
Like, this is Ireland obviously, America is an entirely different beast but that might be the approach some places take. Make it a night out.
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Post by clifford on Jul 26, 2023 10:35:21 GMT -5
Seeing Barbie on Sunday, Oppenheimer on Monday (couldn't swing doing the double feature, but insanely excited for both)
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Post by The Captain on Jul 26, 2023 13:17:21 GMT -5
Read an article saying this past weekend proves people don’t want sequels or reboots anymore, only original ideas. So I looked at the Top 10 domestic movies of 2013, and we have 8 sequels/reboots, 1 movie based on a 41 year old media franchise and one based on a 65 year old toy/media franchise. So I’m struggling to see how the reached their theory It's funny they say that when Barbie is a licensed IP and Oppenheimer is a World War II/Cold War-era biopic. |
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Post by Fade on Jul 26, 2023 15:22:43 GMT -5
I don’t have the answers, but you need to draw people in. That much is clear. Going to the theaters is not cheap. And there’s the brand new world of streaming to take into consideration. Jay, in the same RLM interview I referenced earlier, wondered if it’d be similar to the “bubble pop” of disaster movie from the 60s that led to the auteur classics of the 70s. This might also speak to what EJM posted earlier about going with directors projects if there’s a vision or passion there. I wish I shared the optimism, but the bottom line for these studios is money. They are taking a gamble with every film. This last decade, they’ve skated by with these tentpole films that rely on nostalgia or an established IP. Times are changing. I think they’re going to need that draw aspect, more than ever. Also, along with the “times are changing” mentality, there’s shifting in culture to take into consideration. Tarantinos got one last flick on the horizon. Who and what are the new creative directors and writers’ and their vision going to be? I don’t know. I’m old. It’ll be interesting to see who rises up and if there’s a shift in mentality when it comes to films in the next decade or two. Lastly, I think this quote from Greta Gerwig is paramount:  I think it speaks to the “divisiveness” in culture. She is being welcoming to all in this quote. There’s no “you can’t come to the party” sentiment. Those behind Oppenheimer clearly figured this out In eventually having fun with the whole thing instead of building up barriers. I have to reference “Sound of Freedom” as well, which has been a massive success. I find the similarities with “Barbie” fascinating in that they both might lean towards a specific side in their aisles, but what both seem to stare in their success, is a return to the integrity of the quality of the respective product. That, along with the striking, just makes this a fascinating time to watch in films and cinema, I think. DC’s Blue Beetle and the Aquaman sequel stick out in my mind, because you could consider them upcoming “tentpole” films relying on the tried and true comic book appeal, but they do not have the intrigue of quality, character investment, and overall good reputation that “Across The Spiderverse” and “GOTG3” had. These are some releases for 2023: - The Meg 2 - TMNT: Mutant Mayhem - Gran Turismo: The Movie - Blue Beetle - The Equalizer 3 - The Nun II - The Creator - SAW X - Kraven The Hunter - Killers of The Flower Moon - The Exorcist: Believer - Dune II - The Marvels - Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes - Next Goal Wins - Napoleon - Wish - Poor Things - Leave The World Behind - Wonka - The Color Purple - Ghostbusters Sequel - Rebel Moon - Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom What sticks out to me: Who knows which, if any, could be a quality juggernaut and rely on that but otherwise?.. - The horror flicks always have a potential to make money. -Wonka is interesting because it’s another one of those IP Reboots/reimagining with Hollywood’s new might-be-goldenboy. - Next Goal Wins is interesting cause it’s Taika Waititi, one of the most creative directors of the last few years, doing a grounded film. - “The Marvels” and how it does interests me because how up-and-down the MCU’s been as far as reaction goes lately - TMNT seems “different” and “fun” but they’ve tapped into that IP quite a bit. Reaction will be key with that, I think. - Dune II and Napoleon, both seem like epic In scope: Will that be enough to draw? Fascinating times I think. Almost seems obvious but I think whole industry’s about to have a radical shift in the foreseeable future. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 27, 2023 19:25:47 GMT -5
Just got in from seeing them (saw Oppenheimer first) and absolutely loved both of them. And honestly while at no point intentional they kind of make a brilliant double feature. {Spoiler}Oppenheimer's overall feeling of hopeless in the face of oblivion followed by Barbie's attitude of, "You'll die someday, but it's worth living getting there," just feels like a really poignant combination to me. Like I loved both movies but I feel like they were more emotionally impactful taken together for that. |
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