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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 17:58:52 GMT -5
I honestly think the fact they felt the need to change him to Jack Perry to play into the name is a detriment. dude should have been Jungle Man 4 Life.He should have legit been someone that grew up in the jungle and that Luchasaurus adopted It’s wrestling, Nature Boy, Heartbreak Kid..he could’ve been Jungle Boy forever. Yep...they still call themselves the "Young Bucks" right?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 8, 2023 18:00:15 GMT -5
I’ve never bought into him only being famous because of his Dad. He didn’t try to become an actor, he went down a completely different path. He didn’t trade on the name, he was mostly known as Jungle Boy. He didn’t try to make a gimmick remotely based on anything his Dad ever did, and not to be unkind, his Dad wasn’t exactly Tom Cruise to begin with. That being said, the biggest star the company has ever had is gone, his own fault, granted, but if I’m Tony Khan I’d be like Homer silently looking at Marge thinking “a million dollars, my wife cost me a million dollars.” Like, if you hadn’t hit out with that “cry me a river” bullshit my top star would still be here. He doesn’t deserve to get fired, suspended is enough. Be interesting to see where he goes from here though. CM Punk has no one to blame for his firing but CM Punk He didn't have to assault Jack Perry, not did he have to fly off the handle and go after Tony Jack's at fault, yes, but there's absolutely no way in hell he's the reason in the end Punk lost everything he was handed, Punk cost himself, he could have handled that situation a million different better ways, and all that showed me honestly, if he was almost looking for a reason to get fired at that point If Jack didn't do it, something else was going to.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Sept 8, 2023 18:09:31 GMT -5
I also have a problem with "he's not a star" thing. Who cares? You can't run a wrestling promotion with 100 main event superstars.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 8, 2023 18:35:06 GMT -5
"Just cut Chiral loose from FAN. First of all, you're talking about a thimble full of talent to begin with. She's really only there because of some photoshops — that's it. Otherwise, she's making $200 a night on the indie wrestling shitposting circuit somewhere. This girl is not a star, she'll never be a star. By virtue of the fact that she thinks using photoshops and shitposts like PETE SELECT is going to get her heat, it should tell you everything you need to know about her potential. She doesn't understand the very fundamentals of the business. These are things that can all be addressed and be fixed, but not if you're constantly inhaling bad air. Just wipe this thing clean, chalk it up as a learning experience. It is a learning experience because I have empathy for Tony — he's learning on the job." —Eric Bischoff
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Sept 8, 2023 18:36:17 GMT -5
"Just cut Chiral loose from FAN. First of all, you're talking about a thimble full of talent to begin with. She's really only there because of some photoshops — that's it. Otherwise, she's making $200 a night on the indie wrestling shitposting circuit somewhere. This girl is not a star, she'll never be a star. By virtue of the fact that she thinks using photoshops and shitposts like PETE SELECT is going to get her heat, it should tell you everything you need to know about her potential. She doesn't understand the very fundamentals of the business. These are things that can all be addressed and be fixed, but not if you're constantly inhaling bad air. Just wipe this thing clean, chalk it up as a learning experience. It is a learning experience because I have empathy for Tony — he's learning on the job." —Eric Bischoff I will burn this place down if FAN ever fires you, Chiral!!
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Sept 8, 2023 19:01:01 GMT -5
I assume his suspension is for not walking away from the fight, even if it was Punk who 100% instigated it Perry is an adult and had a small window of opportunity to turn his back and walk away.
If you are suspending people for insider references on camera then you'd have to suspend Punk himself, Hangman, The Elite, MJF and The Acclaimed would get suspended every week.
Can't say I'm a huge fan but the Pillars feud was a smashing idea. It showed Darby is ready, it rehabilitated Sammy after a poor 2022 and while Jungle Boy came off as 4th best in the angle it showed enough of his strengths and weaknesses to give TK ideas for a character revamp that was going quite well.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Sept 8, 2023 19:06:48 GMT -5
Bischoff should have been fired in '99 for his mismanagement. He is not as credible as he believes himself to be.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 8, 2023 19:14:16 GMT -5
Who gives a shit if he's not a main eventer? Not everybody can be that. Imagine building a sports team with just superstars, you're gonna tank hard. You need other guys, the role players, the glue guys.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 8, 2023 19:25:12 GMT -5
"Just cut Chiral loose from FAN. First of all, you're talking about a thimble full of talent to begin with. She's really only there because of some photoshops — that's it. Otherwise, she's making $200 a night on the indie wrestling shitposting circuit somewhere. This girl is not a star, she'll never be a star. By virtue of the fact that she thinks using photoshops and shitposts like PETE SELECT is going to get her heat, it should tell you everything you need to know about her potential. She doesn't understand the very fundamentals of the business. These are things that can all be addressed and be fixed, but not if you're constantly inhaling bad air. Just wipe this thing clean, chalk it up as a learning experience. It is a learning experience because I have empathy for Tony — he's learning on the job." —Eric Bischoff I should have never debated you on who the was the REAL best Danganronpa character, really I'm the reason you got fired once you started choking UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm out and screamed at HMark that you quit.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 8, 2023 19:37:12 GMT -5
"Just cut Chiral loose from FAN. First of all, you're talking about a thimble full of talent to begin with. She's really only there because of some photoshops — that's it. Otherwise, she's making $200 a night on the indie wrestling shitposting circuit somewhere. This girl is not a star, she'll never be a star. By virtue of the fact that she thinks using photoshops and shitposts like PETE SELECT is going to get her heat, it should tell you everything you need to know about her potential. She doesn't understand the very fundamentals of the business. These are things that can all be addressed and be fixed, but not if you're constantly inhaling bad air. Just wipe this thing clean, chalk it up as a learning experience. It is a learning experience because I have empathy for Tony — he's learning on the job." —Eric Bischoff I should have never debated you on who the was the REAL best Danganronpa character, really I'm the reason you got fired once you started choking UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm out and screamed at HMark that you quit. It's always a futile argument because we all know that the single greatest Danganronpa character is, in fact, Girl A.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 8, 2023 19:39:09 GMT -5
I will note, many of these podcast hosts have these takes, not because they truly believe them, but because they know it generates clicks. Bischoff is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows what he's doing That's why Cornette is banned here, and if this keeps up maybe Bischoff's shit should be too. Honestly, if you see someone saying something that bothers you, don't validate them. I have no personal issue with Joe Rogan outside of thinking he's a meathead, but just as an example; everytime one of his controversial takes gets called out publicly, his subscribers go up 3-7%. Or nearly every Youtube scandal has resulted in audiences growing significantly. Logan Paul only really started to explode after he got a ton of public attendtion for going through that suicide forest in Japan.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 8, 2023 20:04:11 GMT -5
I’ve never bought into him only being famous because of his Dad. He didn’t try to become an actor, he went down a completely different path. He didn’t trade on the name, he was mostly known as Jungle Boy. He didn’t try to make a gimmick remotely based on anything his Dad ever did, and not to be unkind, his Dad wasn’t exactly Tom Cruise to begin with. That being said, the biggest star the company has ever had is gone, his own fault, granted, but if I’m Tony Khan I’d be like Homer silently looking at Marge thinking “a million dollars, my wife cost me a million dollars.” Like, if you hadn’t hit out with that “cry me a river” bullshit my top star would still be here. He doesn’t deserve to get fired, suspended is enough. Be interesting to see where he goes from here though. You mean "if Punk wasn't a thin-skinned dork, he would still be there". Did Adam Page do anything when Punk decided to randomly shoot on him over action figures? Perry made a snide remark on a pre-show match that you would have to follow dirtsheet reports to even understand what he was referring to. If Punk got violent over that, it's on him. This "nothing would have happened if he wasn't provoked!" stuff is so weird and downplays everything. If the All In incident never happened, something else would have. It was at that kind of boiling point because Punk was the kettle.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 8, 2023 20:13:22 GMT -5
"Just cut Chiral loose from FAN. First of all, you're talking about a thimble full of talent to begin with. She's really only there because of some photoshops — that's it. Otherwise, she's making $200 a night on the indie wrestling shitposting circuit somewhere. This girl is not a star, she'll never be a star. By virtue of the fact that she thinks using photoshops and shitposts like PETE SELECT is going to get her heat, it should tell you everything you need to know about her potential. She doesn't understand the very fundamentals of the business. These are things that can all be addressed and be fixed, but not if you're constantly inhaling bad air. Just wipe this thing clean, chalk it up as a learning experience. It is a learning experience because I have empathy for Tony — he's learning on the job." —Eric Bischoff I should have never debated you on who the was the REAL best Danganronpa character, really I'm the reason you got fired once you started choking UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm out and screamed at HMark that you quit. cry me a river over the danganronpa V3 ending
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Post by tenshi on Sept 8, 2023 20:30:13 GMT -5
I really don't like when some people talk about this topic and go "Jack Perry is a nobody who hasn't done anything in the business and is there because of his dad" as a way to justify asking for him to get fired. They tend to follow by saying "Punk can be a jerk and volatile but he brings money and ratings", which kinda implies that people can do whatever you want and be above authority as long as you're an asset.
Jack Perry was the instigator here and a suspension is fitting punishment. Asking for him to get fired because he'll never be a superstar and because Punk can't act like an adult feels like they're ignoring the main issue for the sake of pushing a style clash between how Punk does things and how The Elite does things.
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Post by daveyt on Sept 8, 2023 21:19:12 GMT -5
The thing with Jack Perry is that there are a million other indie wrestlers out there who are exactly the same as him. You can just plug them into his spot and they’d give you exactly what Jack Perry is giving.
Now plug someone in who had the tiniest amount of charisma in that spot and there I’ll be 10x more valuable to that company.
So yes, I agree, Jack Perry could be let go and nothing of value would be lost.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 8, 2023 21:23:16 GMT -5
The thing with Jack Perry is that there are a million other indie wrestlers out there who are exactly the same as him. You can just plug them into his spot and they’d give you exactly what Jack Perry is giving. Now plug someone in who had the tiniest amount of charisma in that spot and there I’ll be 10x more valuable to that company. So yes, I agree, Jack Perry could be let go and nothing of value would be lost. I really don't agree with this at all and think it's extremely insulting to Jack Perry himself He is extremely talented, and is still a prospect for the company at 26 You cannot just plug in indie guys and expect them to be the exact same as someone else either. I really find the way some people are treating Jack, and some wrestlers in general, as some expendable and replaceable objects in this thread really f***ing concerning. It's a good thing none of ya'll run an actual wrestling promotion the way wrestlers are discussed like pawns in an EWR game sometimes and not actual humans.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 8, 2023 21:25:48 GMT -5
Even if Perry were entirely talentless and expendable I still think firing him over publicly throwing a shot at someone who does the same thing all the time, including to him personally, would be way over the line.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5
Even if Perry were entirely talentless and expendable I still think firing him over publicly throwing a shot at someone who does the same thing all the time, including to him personally, would be way over the line. This. He even explained to Punk backstage that he was trying to do it as a work and not attack Punk personally, and got assaulted anyway It was dumb, he got punished for it. But the sudden flip to some people suddenly calling Jack Perry useless and "expendable" when before this incident people seemed to think he was doing well and coming into his own as a heel, and still a great wrestler in general, seems pretty blatant.
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Post by daveyt on Sept 8, 2023 21:28:14 GMT -5
The thing with Jack Perry is that there are a million other indie wrestlers out there who are exactly the same as him. You can just plug them into his spot and they’d give you exactly what Jack Perry is giving. Now plug someone in who had the tiniest amount of charisma in that spot and there I’ll be 10x more valuable to that company. So yes, I agree, Jack Perry could be let go and nothing of value would be lost. I really don't agree with this at all and think it's extremely insulting to Jack Perry himself He is extremely talented, and is still a prospect for the company at 26 You cannot just plug in indie guys and expect them to be the exact same as someone else either. I really find the way some people are treating Jack, and some wrestlers in general, as some expendable and replaceable objects in this thread really f***ing concerning. It's a good thing none of ya'll run an actual wrestling promotion the way wrestlers are discussed like pawns in an EWR game sometimes and not actual humans. Yeah, it is insulting, but it’s true. While i think he’s done better in this heel role, he’s largely just been a babyface who goes out there and wrestles. In large, there’s nothing specifically captivating or interesting about him. He just goes out there and has an athletic match and there are TONS of those on the indies. Any one of them could do the exact same thin. He’s been doing.
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Post by daveyt on Sept 8, 2023 21:29:19 GMT -5
For the record i don’t think Jack Perry should be fired because of the thing with Punk. I simply think he’s nothing special and is absolutely replaceable, therefore doesn’t hold much value.
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