Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 9, 2023 15:02:55 GMT -5
Such a weird argument to make. Besides the fact Jack is very good looking and athletic, the most over wrestler AEW has at times is Eddie Kingston. Despite being someone who looks like anyone else, fans would blow up if he won the world title. Looks are nothing in wrestling if the crowd is invested. And, again, who gives a shit what a non-fan would think?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 15:03:06 GMT -5
I gotta tell ya, the "Young Bucks shouldn't be EVPs" and "Jack Perry is a talentless performer who could be replaced by some random Indie guy on the street" are takes that sure sound like they come from logical, good faith'd people, who definitely didn't suddenly start spouting this rhetoric the second a certain Pepsi Man lost his job...
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Post by tenshi on Sept 9, 2023 15:06:48 GMT -5
Jack Perry is just such a wild choice to make the "who looks most like a champion to a non-fan" argument, which is a shitty flawed argument to begin with. But, trying to make that with JACK PERRY? He has the body, the traditionally handsome features, the hair, the toning, and (since we've seen him wrestle barefoot) the height. He's the exact visual aesthetic you'd want from a marketable mid-20s wrestler. Yeah, like...this is why I always feel like the "how do you think the casuals will accept this small guy?!" arguments always sound like the most insular wrestling-brained perspectives to me. Jack is hot y'all, and it's really conspicuous to me when that is completely disregarded. Even if he doesn't do it for you, wrestling has always had space for attractive men. Attractiveness isn't everything any more than promo skills, workrate, or size is, but like. It's not nothing. I mean... HOOK might never become a superstar but he resembles a buff Tom Holland and people find him attractive. One of the reasons why people like Dominik Mysterio is that he's a relatively scrawny dude but a big Amazonian warrior like Rhea Ripley seems to like him and non-fans would like to put themselves in his place. CM Punk, for as much as he has done within the wrestling bubble, looks like a junkie or an ex-con, doesn't look physically imposing and MMA fans use him as a punchline whenever someone wonders what's the minimum amount of skill required to make it to the UFC. Looks aren't everything in wrestling even though it helps. If looks were everything, the whole archetype of Vince pushing big muscle-bound meatheads wouldn't exist, which a point in Punk being counter-culture by not fitting in WWE's mold in what a superstar is meant to be falls into consideration.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 9, 2023 15:09:36 GMT -5
Its also worth noting that Jack Perry is only 26. There's loads of wrestlers that have gradually changed their looks and overall vibes at older ages to stronger results and if you assume that he lacks the look of a star now (which I don't), there's nothing stopping him from changing that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 15:14:36 GMT -5
Is this where I bring up that at one point the female demos spiked every single time Jack Perry was on screen?
Like I hate the "MUH CASUALS" argument in general but we're not gonna act like Jack Perry never actually did something for ratings or was never seen as a draw. At his face peak with Jurassic Express, he was legitimately one of the most over babyfaces they had, and the heel act was starting to click too.
The people who suddenly see nothing in a 26 year old standout who has been with AEW since near day one, who had never had an issue before one specific one with one specific guy, and are just like "Yeah cut him loose and get another Indie guy" come off really disingenuous and disgusting to me.
All this thread seems to have done was give certain users a soapbox to try and pony up and defend a guy who doesn't deserve it, with a bait take that shouldn't have even been given attention in the first place.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 9, 2023 15:17:43 GMT -5
A person who is not a Wrestling fan looks at Roman Reigns and Jack Perry. Who will look more like a World Champion to that non-fan? I don’t mean to sound rude, but who cares what a non fan thinks? I don't know why so many wrestling fans are so quick to jump to "people who don't care about wrestling would validate my opinion specifically" but I guess it is kind of convenient if you can make up people who aren't in the room to agree with you and then hold them up as the sole basis for your argument even if they wouldn't actually care.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 15:39:04 GMT -5
I don’t mean to sound rude, but who cares what a non fan thinks? I don't know why so many wrestling fans are so quick to jump to "people who don't care about wrestling would validate my opinion specifically" but I guess it is kind of convenient if you can make up people who aren't in the room to agree with you and then hold them up as the sole basis for your argument even if they wouldn't actually care. It really is the equivalent of someone grabbing a stranger, tears in their eyes, and going "YOU'D AGREE WITH ME THAT THIS SUCKS, WOULDN'T YOU??" when all they were trying to do is like go to the f***ing store and get milk I don't really get what anyone is trying to prove about people who don't even watch the program, and may never have been a fan of wrestling or watched it ever in the first place It's like someone going "Well if I found someone who never watched Superhero Movies, I bet you they'd think the Guardians of the Galaxy are dumb too!" like... yeah, probably? Acting like wrestling, or any media ever is and can be enjoyed by everyone who has ever lived is just batshit insane, but that's really what it sounds like when "MUH CASUALS" is brought up in arguments about wrestlers that certain users dislike, we suddenly have to be the "niche" and some imaginary general public have to be the ones who would find what you like generally stupid, dumb, or bad. They just desperately need to find some gotcha moment or be right. In reality, it just comes off as embarrassing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 9, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5
'Fire this guy, he's got a track record of immaculate behaviour but got into one fight with a proven asshole who had already attacked co-workers and went on to try and attack his boss. He's not ready and could be replaced with any indie guy with a catchy theme, despite being over before he got the themesong.' 'Why can't AEW produce homegrown talent? They just sign indie, New Japan and former WWE guys!' Never forget Eric Bischoff's track record when it comes to talent relations, he fired Austin, fired Foley, gutted the WCW midcard when ratings slid in 1998 without doing anything about the main event, hired Bret, denied ever wanting Bret despite all the interviews he gave to the contrary and buried him while he was the hottest free agent in wrestling... The Renegade was not us trying to rip off the Ultimate Warrior.
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UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 9, 2023 15:55:54 GMT -5
at least have the balls to say that is what you want instead of insisting hey guys everyone wants what worked 30 years ago
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Sept 9, 2023 16:35:27 GMT -5
Between being the catalyst for getting Punk out of AEW and now Eric Bischoff coming out with this. My level of support for Jack has increased to “I don’t mind him”
Before this it was “Eh I guess”…….This was after hiding behind a child in the audience (Yeah I know now it’s Christian’s daughter, didn’t at time) and prior to that it was “Zzzzzzzz”
If Jack continues in this trajectory, well I don’t mind telling you he’ll be at “I like this dude” territory in no time
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Sept 9, 2023 16:50:25 GMT -5
Yeah, like...this is why I always feel like the "how do you think the casuals will accept this small guy?!" arguments always sound like the most insular wrestling-brained perspectives to me. Jack is hot y'all, and it's really conspicuous to me when that is completely disregarded. Even if he doesn't do it for you, wrestling has always had space for attractive men. Attractiveness isn't everything any more than promo skills, workrate, or size is, but like. It's not nothing. I mean... HOOK might never become a superstar but he resembles a buff Tom Holland and people find him attractive. One of the reasons why people like Dominik Mysterio is that he's a relatively scrawny dude but a big Amazonian warrior like Rhea Ripley seems to like him and non-fans would like to put themselves in his place. CM Punk, for as much as he has done within the wrestling bubble, looks like a junkie or an ex-con, doesn't look physically imposing and MMA fans use him as a punchline whenever someone wonders what's the minimum amount of skill required to make it to the UFC. Looks aren't everything in wrestling even though it helps. If looks were everything, the whole archetype of Vince pushing big muscle-bound meatheads wouldn't exist, which a point in Punk being counter-culture by not fitting in WWE's mold in what a superstar is meant to be falls into consideration. Kind of off topic but a wee bit related to your point; Rhea Ripley is only a few inches taller than the median height for women and out of character she looks so different many fans wouldn't recognize her. WWE does a really good smoke and mirrors job using makeup, camera angles, attire and the performers own skills to make her look like an Amazon and dwarf the other women (and Dom who is taller than her).
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Post by tenshi on Sept 9, 2023 17:57:54 GMT -5
I mean... HOOK might never become a superstar but he resembles a buff Tom Holland and people find him attractive. One of the reasons why people like Dominik Mysterio is that he's a relatively scrawny dude but a big Amazonian warrior like Rhea Ripley seems to like him and non-fans would like to put themselves in his place. CM Punk, for as much as he has done within the wrestling bubble, looks like a junkie or an ex-con, doesn't look physically imposing and MMA fans use him as a punchline whenever someone wonders what's the minimum amount of skill required to make it to the UFC. Looks aren't everything in wrestling even though it helps. If looks were everything, the whole archetype of Vince pushing big muscle-bound meatheads wouldn't exist, which a point in Punk being counter-culture by not fitting in WWE's mold in what a superstar is meant to be falls into consideration. Kind of off topic but a wee bit related to your point; Rhea Ripley is only a few inches taller than the median height for women and out of character she looks so different many fans wouldn't recognize her. WWE does a really good smoke and mirrors job using makeup, camera angles, attire and the performers own skills to make her look like an Amazon and dwarf the other women (and Dom who is taller than her). Rhea said online that she's 5'9" and weights 170 pounds but that doesn't stop people from wanting Rhea to throw them around like pizza dough. Indi Hartwell, for example, is around 6' and has an athletic build but doesn't look as physically imposing as Rhea despite being bigger.
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 9, 2023 19:34:36 GMT -5
What does Anna Jay see in this guy? Apart from the abs, good looks, great hair, money, talent...
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Post by HIM on Sept 9, 2023 19:45:13 GMT -5
Nah, Bischoff is wrong. Perry got something. He's just now tapping into his potential.
That's all I gotta say about that.
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Post by Fade on Sept 9, 2023 20:57:02 GMT -5
Between being the catalyst for getting Punk out of AEW and now Eric Bischoff coming out with this. My level of support for Jack has increased to “I don’t mind him” Before this it was “Eh I guess”…….This was after hiding behind a child in the audience (Yeah I know now it’s Christian’s daughter, didn’t at time) and prior to that it was “Zzzzzzzz” If Jack continues in this trajectory, well I don’t mind telling you he’ll be at “I like this dude” territory in no time Yeah I’ve always thought the guy was mid but the all in situation endeared me to him. If TK gets JT to play out Jack to “cry me a river”, I’d be a fan 4 life.
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Post by 06vwgti on Sept 9, 2023 21:12:02 GMT -5
aew only has room for one perry lol j/k
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Post by rajaah on Sept 9, 2023 21:33:07 GMT -5
None of this would have happened if more non-fans looked at CM Punk and Hangman Page and said that CM Punk looked more like a wrestler
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 9, 2023 22:04:12 GMT -5
A person who is not a Wrestling fan looks at Roman Reigns and Jack Perry. Who will look more like a World Champion to that non-fan? I don’t mean to sound rude, but who cares what a non fan thinks? That, and this same non-fan would see Miro, Wardlow, Luchasaurus, and any number of other dudes on the roster that look more stereotypically like a wrestler. Additionally, Jack Perry looks a whole lot more like a dude I'd expect to do the wrasslin' good than Road Dogg, and somehow, he managed just fine in the height of casual viewership.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2023 23:31:30 GMT -5
If we wanna talk about casual fans and Jack Perry
When AEW was first launching, in the initial photoshoots for the company with magazines like Forbes, people didn't know Jack was Luke Perry's son. When that word got around, suddenly the room was buzzing, and he was the one getting the most attention in the room
He has a connection to casual viewers just by proxy of being the son of a beloved star, it allows them to instantly connect to something outside of wrestling to understand Jack Perry just a bit more. That's something a lot of wrestlers don't have, let alone one that young into the business at the time.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Sept 9, 2023 23:49:53 GMT -5
Bischoff is such a mark.
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