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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 18, 2023 1:41:43 GMT -5
With these kinds of situations it’s easy to pile on and see everything as a dumpster fire. After all Corgan has done so, so, SO MUCH wrong with his time in wrestling. But Corgan actually did use your approach, at least in part. He was the money man behind Resistance Pro. I forget the specifics of why he cut ties with that promotion in 2014, but I think it boiled down to him having a falling out with the owners. After that rather than try to grow another indie with his financial backing, he tried to take over TNA and we all know how that turned out (it didn’t). In theory a celebrity restoring the NWA to its former glory sounds like a great story. Corgan also has a LONG track record of being a legitimate fan. But it’s like how I like sci-fi movies. I could be really passionate about Star Wars, but if I’m expected to design a rocket ship then NASA is pretty well f***ed. A lot of things could have helped the NWA much more than Billy Corgan. For instance a Rick Rubin figure who has a general idea of the kind of wrestling he wants to see, is willing to financially back it, but then pays others with more experience to do everything wrestling related could have been much more beneficial. And that’s just one possibility. Corgan is no Rick Rubin and has shown he has a horrible mind for the business. He’s like Vince Russo but without the ability to say he had a part in the Attitude Era. God help me for saying this, but...
Vince Russo knew how to write a TV format, too. NWA is sloppy and boring. Say what you will about Russo and his suckitude, but he was never boring.
there are a lot of episodes of TNA that say otherwise... >_> |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 18, 2023 4:09:57 GMT -5
Feel like he could've started his own promotion, run monthly shows out of Chicago, made some shrewd promotional partnerships with streaming services, and gradually grown something of his own into a company that could've run shows elsewhere. Basically do the Wrestlecircus model, but funded by a guy who can afford to throw good money after bad for a good long while. Surely has to be cheaper than buying an existing brand and trying to copy their failing business practices out of pocket. With these kinds of situations it’s easy to pile on and see everything as a dumpster fire. After all Corgan has done so, so, SO MUCH wrong with his time in wrestling. But Corgan actually did use your approach, at least in part. He was the money man behind Resistance Pro. I forget the specifics of why he cut ties with that promotion in 2014, but I think it boiled down to him having a falling out with the owners. After that rather than try to grow another indie with his financial backing, he tried to take over TNA and we all know how that turned out (it didn’t). In theory a celebrity restoring the NWA to its former glory sounds like a great story. Corgan also has a LONG track record of being a legitimate fan. But it’s like how I like sci-fi movies. I could be really passionate about Star Wars, but if I’m expected to design a rocket ship then NASA is pretty well f***ed. A lot of things could have helped the NWA much more than Billy Corgan. For instance a Rick Rubin figure who has a general idea of the kind of wrestling he wants to see, is willing to financially back it, but then pays others with more experience to do everything wrestling related could have been much more beneficial. And that’s just one possibility. Corgan is no Rick Rubin and has shown he has a horrible mind for the business. He’s like Vince Russo but without the ability to say he had a part in the Attitude Era. Like the 2000s WWE, Corgan's NWA is booked for an audience of one, with Billy in the role of Vince, only he doesn't have the benefit of being a, nevermind the only, major player in town, or a talent pool so deep it can compensate for that. He can't let go of his vision of wrestling even when it's clear the audience isn't there, he's booking for boomers and boomers aren't watching a youtube wrestling show, even if it features Gutfeld's sexual harasser buddy. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 18, 2023 4:17:53 GMT -5
Can't wait for them to start doing shows in a pink room.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Nov 18, 2023 4:31:22 GMT -5
God help me for saying this, but...
Vince Russo knew how to write a TV format, too. NWA is sloppy and boring. Say what you will about Russo and his suckitude, but he was never boring.
there are a lot of episodes of TNA that say otherwise... >_> One could argue that Russo's only time being a solid writer was in WWF and that was because Vince McMahon was smart enough to rein him in, compared to other companies who thought he was the chosen one when it came to building a company. |
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 18, 2023 5:09:19 GMT -5
Can't wait for them to start doing shows in a pink room. Can they afford it? |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 18, 2023 9:15:12 GMT -5
there are a lot of episodes of TNA that say otherwise... >_> One could argue that Russo's only time being a solid writer was in WWF and that was because Vince McMahon was smart enough to rein him in, compared to other companies who thought he was the chosen one when it came to building a company. Oh, that's absolutely the case. Russo needed a filter, without one, he wrote like a 6 year old on a pixie stick high. |
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Post by wankah on Nov 18, 2023 10:40:30 GMT -5
Who'd have thought that the guy talking some alternative lizzard shit with f***ing Alex Jones is booking something stupid in a pro wrestling show.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 18, 2023 12:26:08 GMT -5
Billy did some damage control or should say more Damage control in regards the "budget cuts." Now he claiming the place the show is more expensive than the other place they did tapings at and saying he spending more money for these than normal. Also claiming again that he has a TV deal and hate it for a "long time" Yet once again can't tell anyone what that is. AKA he doesn't have one is how I look at it.
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Post by 06vwgti on Nov 19, 2023 1:59:25 GMT -5
Cant say I am surprised NWA drew a decent crowd in Sarasota
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Post by oknazevad on Nov 19, 2023 17:28:40 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious there was never an actual TV deal, just talks, and the CW was also talking to others. Billy blabbed too soon, which was strike one (Hollywood doesn't like blabbing). The coke spot was strike two (and stupid as hell). The CW got NXT, which actually has an audience, so the other talks ended, which was strike three. Losing the potential deal wasn't caused by the coke spot, but it didn't help.
Two points, though. Firstly, the CW network doesn't have WOW. The syndicated show airs on a bunch of CW stations around the country, but it is not a network program, it's syndicated. In other places, like NYC, it airs on non-CW independent stations. Its presence should have no effect on any exclusivity clauses WWE might have for NXT (because we know they don't like to share) as WOW doesn't have a deal with the CW network.
As for Corgan's NWA, if it dies it will be a good thing for the industry. He's clearly the carniest POS promoter in a long time, and his show is and always has been junk. A stupid nostalgia act from day 1 appealing to only those who are above a certain age, it was stuck in the mid 80s and was a waste of the talents of the small handful of people actually worth watching. It adds nothing to the market, and traps people who could be working in actually viable promotions. Like TNA, which has settled on nicely to that solid third place slot the market actually supports (there usually has been one at a time since the mid 80s). Or AEW, which despite having had a rough year (what with the new promotion smell having worn off) is still far stronger than its detractors give it credit for. (Seriously, anyone comparing it to WCW in 2000 wasn't actually around to watch just how bad WCW was in 2000.)
But even more than that, there is no value in the NWA name. There hasn't been any since 1989. Shane Douglas's infamous promo elevating the ECW title to world status was spot on. It was already well and fully dead. They didn't even actually own the rights to the title history (Jim Crockett Jr in his role as NWA president had signed away those rights as part of the sale to Turner which created WCW, and as part of the agreement when WCW finally left in 1993, they kept those rights. Any claims to the pre-WCW title history are actually invalid, and part of the reason why Corgan's purchase of the IP was legally dubious, though no one has bothered challenging it, which in the world of trademark law usually means it stands, for now at least.) TNA's use of the NWA world title for their first few years was purely historical curiosity that didn't add any value. They could have just launched the TNA title (under any name they wanted) from the start and it would have been the same thing.) Corgan's promotion just bought the dead name. And killed it even further. Nobody cares about the NWA name.
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Post by rainandlava on Nov 19, 2023 19:23:17 GMT -5
With these kinds of situations it’s easy to pile on and see everything as a dumpster fire. After all Corgan has done so, so, SO MUCH wrong with his time in wrestling. But Corgan actually did use your approach, at least in part. He was the money man behind Resistance Pro. I forget the specifics of why he cut ties with that promotion in 2014, but I think it boiled down to him having a falling out with the owners. After that rather than try to grow another indie with his financial backing, he tried to take over TNA and we all know how that turned out (it didn’t). In theory a celebrity restoring the NWA to its former glory sounds like a great story. Corgan also has a LONG track record of being a legitimate fan. But it’s like how I like sci-fi movies. I could be really passionate about Star Wars, but if I’m expected to design a rocket ship then NASA is pretty well f***ed. A lot of things could have helped the NWA much more than Billy Corgan. For instance a Rick Rubin figure who has a general idea of the kind of wrestling he wants to see, is willing to financially back it, but then pays others with more experience to do everything wrestling related could have been much more beneficial. And that’s just one possibility. Corgan is no Rick Rubin and has shown he has a horrible mind for the business. He’s like Vince Russo but without the ability to say he had a part in the Attitude Era.
God help me for saying this, but...
Vince Russo knew how to write a TV format, too. NWA is sloppy and boring. Say what you will about Russo and his suckitude, but he was never boring.
Man, that's gotta hurt if Russo is compared favorably to you. |
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Post by cjh on Nov 19, 2023 20:08:20 GMT -5
They didn't even actually own the rights to the title history (Jim Crockett Jr in his role as NWA president had signed away those rights as part of the sale to Turner which created WCW, and as part of the agreement when WCW finally left in 1993, they kept those rights. Any claims to the pre-WCW title history are actually invalid, and part of the reason why Corgan's purchase of the IP was legally dubious, though no one has bothered challenging it, which in the world of trademark law usually means it stands, for now at least.)
This is the first time I've heard this to be the case. What's the source?
Yeah, I never heard that, either. From 1994 up to today, ECW, TNA, and any other company that used the NWA tied it to the NWA that formed in 1948. |
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Post by chazraps on Nov 19, 2023 23:20:45 GMT -5
Russo definitely made boring shit. Come on now.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 20, 2023 1:05:52 GMT -5
One could argue that Russo's only time being a solid writer was in WWF and that was because Vince McMahon was smart enough to rein him in, compared to other companies who thought he was the chosen one when it came to building a company. Oh, that's absolutely the case. Russo needed a filter, without one, he wrote like a 6 year old on a pixie stick high. Russo wrote like that in WWE though. His tenure included tons of absolute nonsensical shit. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 21, 2023 21:47:11 GMT -5
Well, Powerr is now on the CW app.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Nov 21, 2023 23:33:52 GMT -5
Well, Powerr is now on the CW app. Where they can now snort all of the fake cocaine they want in front of dozens of people! |
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 22, 2023 14:37:12 GMT -5
Well, Powerr is now on the CW app. Where they can now snort all of the fake cocaine they want in front of dozens of people! They tripled their audience! |
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 22, 2023 15:24:20 GMT -5
I'm not American so don't quite get this.
What's the advantage of being on this app compared to YouTube?
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Post by The Captain on Nov 22, 2023 15:27:52 GMT -5
I'm not American so don't quite get this. What's the advantage of being on this app compared to YouTube? As far as financials go, it means the CW is paying Billy Pumpkins for the show on the app. And he seriously needs the money. As far as exposure, viewership numbers, etc? Absolutely nothing. If anything it might be worse in that regard. |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 22, 2023 16:17:56 GMT -5
I'm not American so don't quite get this. What's the advantage of being on this app compared to YouTube? As far as financials go, it means the CW is paying Billy Pumpkins for the show on the app. And he seriously needs the money. As far as exposure, viewership numbers, etc? Absolutely nothing. If anything it might be worse in that regard. Yeah it’s really weird since the app for the specific channel. Companies usually only use their website for next day free reruns. First run programming, you’d think they’d put it on paramount or max since cw is owned by cbs and Warner brothers |
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